Clairvoyance? Chelsea learns Lying from the best.

[meow mix]

no one needed clairvoyance..
now your getting up in front of america and treating us like were stupid.
lying to us in our faces...
just like a bush. fu chelsea

your momma needs to apologize for her war vote when she concedes.

[polpilot]

1. Truth rears its ugly head.

Good post.

[msongs]

2. the height of eloquence to be sure. btw obama votes to support/fund the murder of Iraqis nt

[Justyce]

14. They always seem to forget that... nt

[meow mix]

22. blaming the left for not "turning off the war" is simply a republican talking point

freshly issued last week.

[joeybee12]

42. Another Kool-Aid inspired rant...

...I would expect nothing less...please tell me how BO has CONSTANTLY fought to end this war...oh, yeah, right, he keeps funding it.

[TwilightGardener]

44. No one's defunding the war. That's a last resort, and always an undesirable

way to end a conflict. Nah gah happen.

[SPKrazy]

3. could you cite a fucking example

or is it now just cool to call someone a liar without any evidence here?

[Danger Mouse]

6. i wouldn't say liar so much as just plain wrong.

this is no place for a tender young'un such as yourself, spk.

[SPKrazy]

25. oh bite me

you have no examples either so you pull that

[Danger Mouse]

63. 22 senators knew that the IWR was wrong. One of them being a Republican, even.

Clinton admits that she didn't read the NIE, she was only briefed on it.
it doesn't take clairvoyance to have good judgment. Chelsea isn't 'lying,' but her statement was ludicrous.
care to continue this?

[Yael]

32. You may have missed this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[ShortnFiery]

4. That was not a thoughtful answer. However, nobody from the M$M is going to call her on it ...

lest ... her mother might have them fired.

[CorpGovActivist]

5. She has a Don't Ask, Don't Tell Double Helix: what'd ya expect?

[writes3000]

7. I'm an Obama supporter. This is an over-the-top post.

Just say you disagree with Chelsea's assessment. Do you really need the inflammatory name calling and the cursing? Oy.

[Danger Mouse]

8. can we keep criticism of chelsea civil?

let's not give the anti-Obama camp any ammo to use against us with nasty language.
just sayin...why make things worse than they already are?

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. YOu guys are getting worse and worse

really

[kurth]

11. It's called keeping the faith

Dear Leader Über Alles

[Name removed]

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[meow mix]

12. TODAYS NEWS: Female suicide bomber kills 3 in Baghdad

BAGHDAD - A female suicide bomber blew herself up in a predominantly Shiite area in central Baghdad on Sunday morning, killing at least three people and wounding 10, police said.



too bad she didnt have a psychic?

[sam sarrha]

18. but now she has 75 boytoys in heaven..

[writes3000]

20. You can blame Clinton for voting to give Bush the ability to go to war.

But I don't know how you can reasonably blame her for EVERYTHING that's happened since then. Yep, she made a bad call and yep, lives have been lost. Tens of thousands have died needlessly. But they have not died at her hands. That's a bullshit argument. It's weak, over-the-top and unreasonable, IMO.

Bush and his bloodthirsty, vengance filled, oil chasing warmongers deserve the real blame.

[MyNameGoesHere]

21. Wow you're really a prick aren't you?

I am sure Chelsea was directly responsible for that. Why i ought to.... Wow just wow.

[writes3000]

16. You are being just as ridiculous

If you'd take the time to look at the replies, you'd see that there are Obama supporters who are complaining about this type of post.

But you're not really interested in civil discussion or rational behavior. You're almost desperate for ANY reason to attack all Obama supporters and inflame Hillary supporters.

You've either lost control of your ability to reason or you're purposefully antagonizing both sides. Sad. Just sad.

[Name removed]

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[writes3000]

30. How old are you? Honestly?

No one can control any other poster here. We can speak out against posts we don't like but that's about it. I've read HATEFUL attacks made by those who support Hillary. Do I blame ALL Clinton supporters for those posts? No. Why not? Because I'm old enough and mature enough to realize that the majority of Hillary supporters can't control every post that's made.

And in fact, if this board is infiltrated with anti-Dem pot stirrers then YOU are their fuel. You do realize that, don't you?

Your "I HATE THE OTHER SIDE AND EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE I READ A POST THAT MADE ME SICK AND YOU ARE ALL DISGUSTING AND I'M HAVING A TANTRUM AND OBAMA IS SICK AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE PERVERSE AND AND AND AND..." is just fuel for the destruction of Hillary, Obama and the Dem party. Once again, just sad.

[Hav]

35. .

I agree. In all these threads, there are always the generalizations against all supporters despite the fact that some Obama supporters already spoke out in this very thread. These accusations against a whole group and the candidate who had nothing do with it are just as dishonest as these attack threads and they serve the same purpose.

[writes3000]

37. Agree, agree, agree. Thank you. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Don't lecture me.

If their hatefulness isn't addressed, it will only get worse and I thought it couldn't get any worse until I saw this thread, so, may I suggest you take your insults elsewhere? I will address them and their insults, their nastiness, their hatefulness whenever I see the need to do so. They're like 2 years olds. Leave them on their own and you will have total bedlam. They're like out-of-control 2 year olds and I intend to treat them as such.

If you're so concerned about the destruction of the Democratic party, aim your lectures at the Obama Camp. All they care about is their guy winning at all costs....to hell with the Democratic Party.

[writes3000]

52. You DESERVE to be lectured

Look at your reply to me. It's full of "they, they, they, they."

I am one of "THEM". I support Obama. And yet, look at my posts in here. Am I insulting Chelsea or Hillary? How do you explain that?

You fundamentally KNOW that all Obama supporters are not vile or evil or angry or attack dogs and yet you persist in claiming that they are. You are participating in spreading falsehoods. Why? Because you're that "fired up" to support your candidate.

I'd like to believe you are above that. And even if you're not, I'm going to call you out on it. Just like I'm calling out "Obama supporters" who go overboard when they attack Hillary.

I don't feel the need to lie, exaggerate or slime the other candidates or all of their supporters just to "win". That's not winning, really.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. The MAJORITY of Obama supporters are vile, nasty and hateful.

If you are not, don't include yourself in my railing against them...okay? They know who they are. If you are NOT part of that Majority, ignore my posts.

I hereby state that writes3000 is not included in my posts against Obama supporters. How's that?

[writes3000]

57. If you believe that the majority of any Dem candidate's supporters are...

Vile, nasty and hateful, then you probably need to reassess.

You can rail against me. Please do. I really find your broad generalizations false and destructive. Good luck.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. No, all I need to do is read the first page of GDP. It's obvious to anyone bothering to look.

Good luck to you too....I find your inability to see the truth troubling.

[zabet]

24. Notice how the shitty hit pieces on the Clintons

get Recommended and any negative post
about Obama is shouted down.

[rodeodance]

54. yes, that is very clear.

[LiberalFighter]

61. They are more than just ridiculous. No better than freepers.

[Danger Mouse]

62. 'You people.'? Way to broad bush an entire group of DUer's.

We're not all like that.
And don't try to say 'most' either.
Of course the most hateful ones are the most noticeable.
Unless you can provide stastical evidence to prove that 'most' Obama supporters are hateful, don't tar us all with that brush. I would never consider saying the same of Hillary supporters.
Notice that I ALSO called this fool's attack out.

[jab105]

13. She was probably just really tired, and had been asked it many times...

over the course of the campaign...it is a really hard question (and probably was not asked in the nicest way either) because there is no defensible answer...

I can understand getting a bit sarcastic after that...not saying it is right, but I can understand how it happened...

[rainbow4321]

34. If she can't stand the heat....

get out of the kitchen/campaign trail.

Tired of people making excuses for her (in general here, not necessarily your response)..first it's the ones for why she won't give interviews (her comments to that little girl wanting to ask questions for a kids' magazine) even though she is doing things like putting herself as a HRC rally backdrop and calling superdelegates. Now it's excuses for sarcastic responses to voters' questions.

Given that her mother needs every single vote right now, Chelsea needs to suck it up and make nice or just go home. But then again, I am for Obama, so go ahead and keep doing what you're doing, Chelsea, I'm sure it will go over real well with Texas voters to have a 20-something year old come down here with an attitude when asked about a war that has taken quite a toll on Texas soldiers and their families. Maybe you could go down to Ft Hood or Ft Bliss and run your mouth to the voters/families there.

[Darth_Kitten]

46. Maybe somebody should light a fire under Obama's butt, just once....

to see how he handles difficulty? No running to Oprah for cover.

[bigtree]

15. "hope and unity"

[chimpymustgo]

17. This is a disgusting post, which should be locked. You should ask the mods yourself.

Crapping on Chelsea, now. Ugh.

[meow mix]

19. "The attack was one of two bombings in Iraq on Sunday morning"

oh, already 2 bombings today....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq... ;_ylt=AjxDhNw69af4_z7Ap.CnwnFvaA8F

BAGHDAD - A female suicide bomber blew herself up in a predominantly Shiite area in central Baghdad on Sunday morning, killing at least three people and wounding 10, police said.

Police in the Masbah commercial area suspected the woman, who was in a black Islamic robe, and asked her to stop but she fled to a nearby building, said an officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to release information.

The attack was one of two bombings in Iraq on Sunday morning.

In the northern city of Mosul, a bomb in a parked car detonated, killing a police officer and two civilians, police there said.

[rodeodance]

They had a long thread on this yester--same article.

[rodeodance]

26. Guess the Obama folk have to do a re-run of Chelsea hate--Long thread on this yesterday. Didn't

you all get your hate fix yesterday?

[meow mix]

27. sorry i just came off a really looong shift and about 10 hours of sleeping

been out of the loop for the last 35 hours or so heh

[writes3000]

31. "heh"? Not funny and not helpful.

If your primary goal is to antagonize and breed anger/hate, good for you. If you're trying to make a valuable point or ask people to think, you may want to revise your strategy.

Heh.

[meow mix]

33. im not sure what you mean. im posting my opional on Chelsea covering for Clintons War Vote...

during an election.
what shes saying is insulting and ludicrous. and how am i to he happy about that?

[writes3000]

36. You disagree. Fine.

But you are being way over-the-top in your insults. Chelsea thinks only a clairvoyant could have known that Iraq was a mistake and that Bush would race to war. You and others have pointed out that she's wrong. Perfectly acceptable.

But to call Chelsea a liar? To say F-U? To associate her with every murder that's happened in Iraq?

It's needlessly over-the-top, flame-bait-ish and I think you know it.

I'm asking you to be more thoughtful, sensitive and reasoned when you debate. That's all.

[meow mix]

39. she doesnt think that /nt

[Bluebear]

40. "Fuck you Chelsea" must have felt SOOO good to type, though

Soooo good!

So hopeful, so full of a "new tone"!

I can't stand it anymore.

[11 Bravo]

51. Yup, you just know he had his pants down around his ankles when he typed that little bit of wisdom.

[Bluebear]

64. ExACTly.

And it's not a pretty picture.

[Rageneau]

28. Some Obama supporters are so hateful, how can their guy be the right guy?

Birds of a feather...
By their fruits...
You are known by the comapny you...

I have seen so much vitriol, so many lies, such awful insults against the Clintons from the Obama supporters during this campaign that I wonder if I even WANT to be on the same side with such people.

It may be better to lose this election than be part of a triumphant lynch mob.

[kurth]

53. What didya expect from the Obama brown shirts, some kinda unity?

[elias7]

65. Both camps are being hateful...(from someone in neither camp)

[11 Bravo]

29. "now your (sic) getting up in front of America and treating us like were (sic) stupid"

That just may be the most unintentional hilariously ironic post in DU history!

[Bluebear]

43. Careful, he'll say "fu 11 Bravo"

You know, hope. And change.

[indimuse]

38. stfu!!!

Obama the shape_shifter...I don't trust this guy!
Senator Obama is not anti-war, nor does he genuinely seek appropriate alternatives to militarism in the Middle East.Senator Obama is not anti-war, nor does he genuinely seek appropriate alternatives to militarism in the Middle East.Senator Obama is not anti-war, nor does he genuinely seek appropriate alternatives to militarism in the Middle East.Senator Obama is not anti-war, nor does he genuinely seek appropriate alternatives to militarism in the Middle East.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



At what point does an individual stop supporting the lesser of two evils? The question became particularly important this primary race, as one man ascended to political stardom ostensibly breaking free from the evils of mainstream politics and creating a platform based on hope and change. This transcendent figure is presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

Searching for substantive policy, I began to chip away at Obama’s political posturing, and came to a daunting conclusion: there are a multitude of reasons one shouldn’t vote for Barack Obama, especially those within the Arab-American community.

Senator Obama is not anti-war, nor does he genuinely seek appropriate alternatives to militarism in the Middle East. Arab-Americans and putative leftists naively, and sometimes willfully, overlook the fact that he is an ardent supporter of the invasion, bombing, and ongoing occupation of Afghanistan. One also cannot dismiss that his views are consistent with the Democratic Party platform, which aspires to refocus on Afghanistan. Such views bode well with Obama’s plan to deploy additional troops and increase funding, but as with the case in Iraq, it will only intensify the struggles of the civilian population of Afghanistan. Obama fully supported the Lebanon war (even as the Israeli military killed hundreds of Lebanese civilians and leveled civilian infrastructure with tens of thousands of US-shipped cluster bombs), and played up his pro-Israel rhetoric nearly as much as his current democratic opponent, Hilary Clinton. As with nearly every other candidate, Obama fully supports Israel’s 40 year occupation of Palestinian land and dutifully endorsed the besiegement of Gaza. Surprisingly, this is a politician who once curried favor with prominent members of the Palestinian community, attending a community fundraiser in which Edward Said was the keynote speaker, dining with Rashid Khalidi in Chicago, and receiving praise from Ali Abuminah during his time as a state senator. Domestically, his shift to the right is glaringly apparent, reflecting weaker stances on undocumented residents, the patriot act, gay rights, and a host of other domestic issues.

Obama may have voiced opposition to the Iraq war five years ago, but his “courage” came at a time when it minimally affected his political aspirations. Since entering the senate, he has voted in favor of nearly 300 billion dollars in war appropriations and will continue to appropriate billions more if elected president. Obama is already playing up his ability to be hawkish on foreign policy (e.g. his illustrious declaration that he’d bomb Pakistan on “actionable intelligence”) and has tried to validate himself as a “tough when necessary” type of leader.

Post-911, inexperience with foreign affairs has been a sore point for all democrats. There is nothing more troubling than a field of candidates trying to prove themselves to their opposition. One only needs to look at the rise of Amir Peretz as Defense Minister in Israel. He was a well-known leftist against the Israeli occupation before coming into office. In an attempt to demonstrate his intestinal fortitude and establish himself among the Israeli public, he championed the destruction of Lebanon, and defended the decision as fervently as any right-wing activist. At best, Obama’s inexperience will limit his capacity to control the military occupation of Iraq, as it would every democrat and most republicans during the inaugural year. Additionally, expectation for his vaguely outlined phased withdrawal, which creeps well into midterm election campaigning, further denies the mechanics of mainstream American politics and Congressional trepidation. No democrat or republican can afford to lose seats in the house and senate; it’s precisely why little is achieved during election years. Potential voters may find it useful to recall the excitement engendered after the 2006 midterm elections when a pullout was “imminent;” assurances were given that mass hearings would take place on Capitol Hill, and accountability was declared to be the wave of the future. Predictably, campaigning supplanted accountability, while the people of Iraq were left hanging in the balance. Ultimately, no viable political candidate will be able to pull out of Iraq before the 2010 elections.



http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7999

[Darth_Kitten]

41. Yawn...........give it a rest.

You want to imagine Chelsea to be this wicked, terrible person.

Whatever.

SOME people need to get their facts straight and learn to REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHERS ARE ACTUALLY SAYING.

[rodeodance]

55. they are having their daily fix of hate.

[skooooo]

45. It's called JUDGEMENT, Chelsea...

....not clairvoyance.

[dailykoff]

48. Also known as COURAGE.

What Hilly couldn't predict is how her pro-war votes would sink her big comeback. She has backed the neocons all along and remains "their girl."

[TwilightGardener]

47. It was a snotty, arrogant comment. She shouldn't have said it. 'Nuff said. We move on.

[CorpGovActivist]

59. Maybe she should spend some time in Iraq, instead of on the stump?

[Name removed]

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[Beausoir]

60. And the hope and change of Obamanation strikes again. How uplifting you are.

[gulliver]

66. Could you add something like "Gobama" to your sig line?

You can do that by clicking Options up at the top. Then click "Edit Your Profile." At the bottom is a signature field. Just put something like "Gobama!" or "Obama rules!" or something like that in that field. Then just above that is the Avatar Image field. Put "obama.gif" in that field and hit Save. That way your support for your candidate will show up in every post!