I NEVER thought I would see the day that democrats would

[cornermouse]

attack Chelsea with the same enthusiasm that the republicans displayed proudly. I'm sure the republicans appreciate your help. Shame on all of you.

[NMMNG]

1. She's Hillary Clinton's daughter

And she's campaigning for HRC. That makes her fair game for the wolves, it seems.

[Midlodemocrat]

36. Which is something I don't think I'll ever understand.

Talk about eating our own. What is happening to us? The only saving grace is that DU doesn't reflect the rest of the country.

BtFS.

[Irishonly]

73. I Don't Understand

The hate coming from some here pains my heart. I have to be careful and keep the candidates separate from their supporters. Chelsea is a beautiful young woman and does not deserve such treatment from any democrat.

[NJmaverick]

83. More like she attack the Dems with morals and courage

That opposed the Iraq war. She acts like a Republican, she gets treated like a Republican

[boston bean]

2. We are over run with Obamacans/Obama Republicans.

[FrenchieCat]

3. I never thought I'd live to see the day that Democrats (with a capital D) would

attack Barack Obama with the same enthusiasm that the racist right wing display proudly. I'm sure the Republicans appreciate the help. Shame on all of them.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

52. Same old BS, anyone who criticizes BO is tied to being a racist., He is too fucking inexperienced

for the job. Fuck the race factor he is a lightweight. We don't need an inexperienced JFK right now, this country can't afford the learning curve. The race card is going to cause a backlash if it continues that every time someone points out his deficiencies they get slammed with it.

[enough already]

72. We don't need 'experience' that supports Bush's illegal wars

And the only one talking race is you. Funny how that happens...

[laconicsax]

105. As opposed to the 'inexperienced' candidate that supports *'s illegal wars.

[Straight Shooter]

94. Wow. Sure didn't take long to pull that card from its lonely deck and play it. n/t

[gmudem]

4. It's her fault she said something so goddamn stupid.

I don't think it makes her a bad person but what she said was really fucking stupid.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. It was pretty fucking stupid for an asshole Obamaniac to

ask her if her mother had any remorse over killing a million Iraqis, as if she had personally killed people.

What is the big deal about Chelsea using the word "clairvoyant"? Is that word too big for the average college student these days? Or for the average DUer?

If she'd said "She couldn't see into the future" would that have been OK?


Obama made one anti-war speech at a rally in Chicago. Big whoop.

He didn't have to vote on the IWR since he wasn't in the Senate then. If he had been, I'm sure he'd have voted just like the majority did.

Why? Becaue he's voted with Bush ever since he's been in the Senate, including voting to fund the war. If he were really anti-war he'd vote against the funding.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. What good is experience if it doesn't help prepare you for what's coming next?

Hillary can't seem to connect how her present decisions effect the situation in the future.

Her IWR vote is but one indication of this problem she has. Her campaign is another example of the same defect.

No one expects anyone to be clarvoyant. But my problem with Hill is she is incompetant. She makes too many demonstratably bad decisions.

[gmudem]

104. Oh so now people are stupid because clairvoyant is such a big word

Sorry but what Chelsea said was really dumb and she seems have the same arrogance as her mother. I don't think people like Russ Feingold and Ted Kennedy and Bob Graham are clairvoyants do you? Maybe Chelsea should have a discussion with them.

[nonconformist]

5. I know.

Doesn't take much to make this place explode like Free Republic anymore. If this is the direction "unity, hope and change" is taking us, I don't want to go there.

[DemBones DemBones]

13. But we all get a pony if Barack wins

and he's so sexy and cool and cute.

"Gore on the second vote at the convention" is MY hope. With neither Barack or Hillary as VP. They can have a job in his administration if they want one.

[NMMNG]

17. Dig all you want

There ain't no pony at the bottom of that pile.

[DemBones DemBones]

24. You got that right!

[nonconformist]

21. I know what your problem is.

You need the BAM!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[DemBones DemBones]

27. . . .

BAM = Barack Arrogance Maneuver

Inane and insane, what a combo!

[QC]

69. Is it kinda like this?

[nonconformist]

101. It's exactly like that. nt

[griffi94]

33. i feel exactly the same way

lately the venom directed at the clintons reminds me of the freepers.....according to the obama supporters...the clintons have been worse than the bushes....they've never done anything right.....and thank god we're about to see the last of them.....except i don't think it's going to really work like that....should obama win the nomination and lose in nov...i would expect hillary to run again in 2012.....i understand that the obama followers don't allow for the possibility of defeat....but i don't think he's quite got the lock that they try to convince everyone that he does......of course if he blows it...then they'll scream that it's all hillarys fault somehow.......i'm not thrilled with this new direction either....obama is going to have to do it without my vote

[mondo joe]

66. Exactly. I won't be part of such a mean spirited nasty campaign.

[okoboji]

87. "unity, hope and change"

I have been thinking over the past few days, that what if the candidate for "unity, hope and change" wins the nomination and pulls off winning the White House and two years into his term "unity, hope and change" still hasn't occurred - will his supporters seek mass quantities of anti-depressants or will they seek accountability?


Unless you have a congress that will also support "unity, hope and change" it isn't going to happen.

[Sapphocrat]

6. It's a shitty, disgusting thing to do, especially to such a fine, upstanding young woman.

Sadly, I'm sure the attacks would be just as vicious on Caroline Kennedy if she had endorsed HRC.

[NMMNG]

12. There would have been hell to pay if CK had endorsed HRC

The cat's claws would have torn her to pieces.

[KittyWampus]

61. You should see your fellow Hillary supporter attacking Obama's grandmother in Kenya

[Sapphocrat]

102. You should learn how to stop deflecting responsibility for one wrong with another. n/t

[sandnsea]

7. Over the clairvoyant comment??

She's campaigning, just like Michelle. Michelle has been attacked for a lot less, even had her words completely distorted in order to launch attacks. Some people need to take a look at the pots sitting all around them before they start pointing out kettles.

[cornermouse]

9. You disappoint me sandnsea.

I thought you were better than that.

[sandnsea]

11. Oh aren't you just so high and mighty

I've read your posts. Get off the cross, somebody needs the wood.

[cornermouse]

15. If you knew me, you'd realize just how far off the mark you are.

This is the first time I've ventured into the GD-P since they gave us an option and I only came in because I couldn't believe the post that was on the front page before I was able to log in. Consider yourself ignored.

[NMMNG]

16. Smart move

Those of us who knew she wasn't better than that have had her on Ignore for some time now.

[avrdream]

18. That one was my first ignore on DU.

I got tired of the snarkiness without any reason.

[Seabiscuit]

77. Ditto. By now he/she's just one of several hundred.

[sandnsea]

20. I didn't even have to look hard

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Just because you haven't posted in here recently, doesn't mean you haven't posted your share of snide primary remarks.

[boston bean]

23. October fuckin 4th of 2007. You spend way too much god damned time on DU

you need to step out a little.

[sandnsea]

26. So what.

One complaint against Chelsea in a year is nothing. For this person to pretend she's holier than thou is a bunch of shit. She's been posting primary crap for months. I'm not going to go dig it all up. That was the first thing I ran across.

[Tarc]

38. And yet you still try to justify the stalking and harassment of a user

who hardly ever posts here? Yea, you stay classy, O-Bot.

[mondo joe]

64. Got to join you on that. It's too bad.

Another ignore.

[alphafemale]

8. Yes the Clintons are sacred. Bill, Hill and Chel. The Holy Trinity.

No human word must ever be uttered against them. Forever and ever. amen

uh-hmmm

[JVS]

10. I guess you weren't clairvoyant enough to see it coming

[Political Heretic]

14. Attack?

Republicans went after her looks.

I hardly compare that with challenging her own public statements while supporting her mother.

If she wants to campaign, then her statements are fair game. I definitely don't agree with personal attacks about her as a person, unrelated to the substance of what she says or her qualifications in saying it. But its disingenuous to label any challenge of her campaign statements as "attacks."

[grantcart]

19. I never thought that I would see the day that a presidential candidate

would be so stubborn in his/her repeated refussal to admit that a mistake, something that virtually the entire country concedes was a terrible mistake, was made so that that person's supporters (including in this case her daughter)would be left with no intelligent response when questioned - and be left with a sarcastic response.

It is especailly hard to believe when that mistake resulted in the human destruction equivalent to the Atom bomb in Hiroshima.

Give Hillary a pass on IWR. Fine. But to not acknowledge it at this time leaves her surrogates in an untenable position. This time it was Chelsea. Frankly I felt sorry for her. If her mother had stepped up and done the right thing then it wouldn't have fallen for her daughter to be so defensive and so sarcastic about something that has cost 100,000 lives and 2 million refugees. Shame on you Hillary.

[arewenotdemo]

25. We all just want to see her back at her (safe) hedge fund day job.

That apparently keeps her from ever crossing paths with actual anti-war protesters.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. A little perspective, she was a child when the Republicans were attacking her

She's now a grown woman and made the choice to be subject to this kind of shit when she decided to campaign for her mother. That said I don't agree with the attacks.

[anniebelle]

29. Just astounding how so many use RW talking points.

I guess when you have nothing else, you throw mud! Shame on all of you. No, Rove & Co. need no help winning the White House, they got amnesia filled Democrats to do it for them.

[donheld]

30. Oh too bad for Chelsea

She's a big girl, playing a big girl game. She needs to get ready to take the heat if she plays the game. Some people seem to think she's above criticism, well while she was a kid yes she was. Now she's a 27 year old woman, and she's not a child any longer. So she can suck it up and take what comes along.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. I never though I'd see Hill attack Kerry with a Repo meme. But, that's politics for you. If it

botheres you too much, you might consider not hanging at a political board, because once Chelsea signed up to be a surrogate for her moms campaign, she put herself on the "fair game" list. She can pretend she's not being political all she wants, and I have nothing agaisnt her fuction as a surrogate for mom's campaign, but b eing questioned and critiziced comes with the territory.

Chelsea made a public comment relating to her mom's record on voting for the Iraq War Resolution, and somebody criticized her for it. Big deal.

[MonkeyFunk]

34. There's a lot of things here I

never thought I'd see.

Monica Lewinsky jokes, support for Paula Jones, Whitewater being discussed...

it's absurd.

[UALRBSofL]

50. WOW, that's the truth. Lewinski/Jones posts

This is really a REPUG tactic. That's getting really low.

[Little Star]

35. I never thought I would either. We eat our own.

[angie_love]

37. I never thought I'd see race baiting by democrats either but I guess theres a new time for everythin

[UALRBSofL]

51. I never thought I'd see gender baiting by the Democrats

But I suppose now is the time.

[rug]

39. Anything or anyone that criticizes Obama must be destroyed.

[kurth]

43. Dear Leader is always faultless and blameless

without spot and without rebuke.

[bigtree]

40. it's all part of the "new" way that's being ushered in by the Obama generation

all others must subject themselves and their past principles and beliefs to the elevation of the 'new generation's' icon.

[UALRBSofL]

54. Exactly, DU is a sign of the times

In Obama's "CHANGE PLAN"

[Guava Jelly]

41. Anyone who attacks Chelsea is an asshole and a twerp

She was the perfect first daughter.
People need to leave this brilliant young lady alone.
I haven't read any threads dissing her myself.
I tend to know which threads are not worth even clicking on.

[Danger Mouse]

71. Personal attacks are one thing...

criticism another.
Some people are unable to distinguish between the two.

[Guava Jelly]

74. Criticism is fine

I have no problem with that.
And you are of course correct.
Attacking the message is perfectly ok and I honestly didn't read the clairvoyant remark until about 10-15 minutes ago.
I can see why many are angry it was insensitive and very much bullshit.
But I still like her even though I am voting for her moms opponent

[Danger Mouse]

78. Thank you. I respect Chelsea AND Hillary...

but her clairvoyant remark was stupid.

[DemGa]

42. It's the "opposite" movement

Really just the same old politics -- except this group sounds strikingly like freepers.

[kurth]

45. They're using every RW talking point in the book

[berni_mccoy]

48. Oh, you're talking about Clinton.

Bringing up Race in the primary
Spreading the muslim lie about Obama (via mailers)
Bringing up Rezko, when she's dealt with him too and has way more scandals under her belt
Saying she'll destroy the party with incendiary tactics in order to WIN?

Yeah, if you are worried about people using RW tactics, you better watch out for Clinton.

[UALRBSofL]

56. berni_mccoy Were talking about Obama tactics

Calling Hillary a lesbian
Using gender baiting to draw the womens vote
Bringing up Wal-Mart when Obama's wife dealt with them as well
Saying Hillary will destroy the party using scare tactics to say Republicans wont vote for her

So if your worried about Rovian Tactics look no further the Obama, the empty suit, beltway politician.

[berni_mccoy]

57. Difference I can provide links, your bullshit is unsubstantiated

[berni_mccoy]

44. THEN THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE PUT HER OUT THERE FOR IT THEN. Do you think the Repugs ARE NOT?

If Clinton wins the GE, what do you think the Republicans will do to her? And she hasn't been 'attacked'... that's only in the minds of Clintonians. Her opinion and her words are what are getting her into trouble.

[mondo joe]

62. I expct Repugs to do things that I don't expect Democrats to do. NT

[MediaBabe]

46. Most miss the point

Instead of fellow members understanding that there is no good to come from Democrats attacking our own I'm reading justification for the attacks.

It's not about whether Chelsea is fair game, it's about why work to build hate in the Democratic party against each other. What is gained in the long run? Or in the short run for that matter?

[berni_mccoy]

47. Build Hate In the Democratic Party? Yep, That's Clinton Allright.

Bringing up Race in the primary
Spreading the muslim lie about Obama (via mailers)
Bringing up Rezko, when she's dealt with him too and has way more scandals under her belt
Saying she'll destroy the party with incendiary tactics in order to WIN?

Yeah, if you are worried about dividing and destroying the party, then you better not be supporting Clinton because that's exactly what she is doing.

[Avalux]

49. Nothing wrong with calling her on saying somthing asinine.

The woman is a 27 year old Wall Street attorney; she no longer needs the protection of a child. She is campaigning for her mother and hopefully has learned a valuable lesson about thinking before speaking.

[Debi]

53. Not all Democrats are attacking her

So not all Democrats should be shamed by you.

Her 'clarivoyant' comment was out of line, and she should be called on it.

[Beausoir]

55. I could not believe what I was seeing. Obama people savaging Chelsea Clinton.

Un-believable.

[Maribelle]

58. 'Shame' is not found in the dictionary of hate mongers.

They want to win at any cost.

[NJmaverick]

85. YOU are the hate monger

YOUR candidate's daughter attack the Democrats of moral courage and conviction, that opposed the Iraq war. You and your candidates daughers are acting like Republicans. SO it's no shock they are being attacked like any other unethical Republican attack machine.

[Maribelle]

92. Personal attack?

Charming, hero.

[NJmaverick]

95. Yes you and your candidate ATTACK the most noble

of the Democrats. Then you feign false outrage when people rise to their defense. Shame on you!

[Maribelle]

99. "the most noble"?

I don't think so.

[NJmaverick]

100. Yeah only those that picked political gain over the good of the

nation (by voting for the Iraq war) are noble. At least that's the way it is in Hillary land.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Oh, are you kidding me? ANYTHING/ANYONE connected to the name "CLINTON" is LOATHED on this board by

OBAMA followers!


I agree with you...the Obama followers make Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glen Beck, Neil Boortz and FAUX NEWS.....VERY, VERY PROUD!

[mondo joe]

60. Just another reason I now believe I can never vote for Obama. If this is what his

campaign is about, I want no part in it.

[burythehatchet]

63. WHAAA??? Who the HELL does not agree with letting her campaign but giving her

a pass on her idiotic comments. WHO???

[Danger Mouse]

65. I felt the clairvoyand remark was...unwise. To be polite.

I don't see anything wrong with criticizing her for it...as long as the criticism refrains from inflammatory or sexist.
Chelsea Clinton is 27 years old. She's not a little girl anymore. If she's stepping into the political arena, she should expect to be called to task for her remarks. I see nothing wrong with that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

67. Everybody, just stop it.

There's plenty of assholery to go around here. Neither camp owns all of it. In fact, I'd say it's split 50-50. We could have a good, spirited discussion of the issues if the rabid partisan assholes from BOTH SIDES would go take a cold shower.

But I suppose that's asking too much.

[Danger Mouse]

68. I think we should rename the forum General Discussion: Hypocrisy...

and be done with it.

[Renew Deal]

70. I haven't attacked her, but she deserves it.

That clairvoyant remark is total bullshit. Also, when you put yourself out there politically, people are going to disagree with you. That's how it is.

[Bread and Circus]

75. She's responsible for what she says, don't you think?

[mondo joe]

76. She is. But that doesn't justify nasty attacks, a la Coulter.

I don't know when DUers decided disagreeing with another Dem was justification for nasty personal smears.

[Danger Mouse]

79. Please link to these nasty personal smears

so I can call them assholes too.

[mondo joe]

80. I already put most on ignore/hidden thread, but you could consider the

"who would you rather your daughter was like, Chelsea or Cate" as an example.

[Danger Mouse]

81. oh yeah. i didn't look at that thread.

probably best that i didn't.

[mondo joe]

93. You didn't miss anything worth seeing.

Just a mean spirited attempt at divisiveness.

[Bread and Circus]

84. Look, you people need to get serious and drop the...

"everything against our candidate or her surrogates is a Right Wing attack" routine.

It's getting old, no one's buying it.

Frankly, Clinton has just run a bad campaign and didn't prepare for life after February 5th. Her bad management and her aweful campaign strategists are why she has lost the political lead of the century.

Blame her and hold her campaign strategists responsible for your frustration, quit calling the good Democrats here Republicans (and in some cases Sexist). This is not directed at just you but the broader swath of people here who just don't want to admit Clinton has run a bad campaign and want to call names instead.

[mondo joe]

89. Non responsive. NT

[NJmaverick]

86. Chelsea behaved like Coulter

so she got treated like Coulter.

[mondo joe]

90. *click*

Bye.

[NJmaverick]

96. the truth? Hillary's hounds can't handle the truth!

That's why they are constantly clicking ignore. They only can work in the world of lies, attacks and decption. Also known as the world of Karl Rove.

[mondo joe]

97. *click*

If this is your idea of running a Dem campaign, count me out.

I trust Obama will earn enough Republican votes in the GE that he won't need mine.

[NJmaverick]

98. You are not a true Democrat and you don't put your Country first

So your vote really wasn't counted on. You are one of the hard core power before the good of the nation. That put's you in the same camp that brought us and enabled Goerge Bush.

[NJmaverick]

82. Attack?!?!?!

Did you ever think you would see the day Chelsea would ATTACK the Democrats for opposing the Iraq war?!?!??! Your Rovian false rage is a JOKE and shows you in the worst possible light.

[Evergreen Emerald]

88. I will not be associated with a board with "progressive" supporters who

would attack Chelsea like you have. Thread after thread showing ignorance as you sit on your asses in your mother's basement and post all day on a message board attacking strangers and attacking progressives who have been trying to change America.


You have gone too far. You are ignorant, disgusting people.

[Thepricebreaker]

91. There is no free lunch in the world. You play pro sports - your going to get hit. On either side.

[TheDonkey]

103. Big difference, rethugs attacked CC when she was a kid. Democrats criticize her as

a grown adult surrogate as she patronizes America.