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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:25 AM
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Letter in TIME (not mine) about voting for Clinton
As a 64-year-old widowed grandmother, I am thrilled that young voters care again. I can't fathom, however, why young women aren't incensed that in the 232-year history of this country, we have never had a woman President. To the young lady who said she wouldn't vote for Clinton because she might lose, I ask, How will you feel 60 years from now when women say they won't vote for your granddaughter because she might lose? If past generations of women had been so lily-livered, the young lady you quoted wouldn't have had the chance to vote or go to college.
Judith M. Williams, BANGOR, MAINE

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1713480,00.html
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:27 AM
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1. so if Condi Rice was running
would this woman feel the same way?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:31 AM
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5. I thought she was a robot! NT
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:17 AM
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15. I'm supporting Sen. Elizabeth Dole
Just because she's a woman
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:40 AM
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20. I don't think you read the letter. The person likes Hillary and is only afraid to vote
for her because she might lose. There is no one saying to vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:28 AM
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2. I'd love a woman president. Just not THAT woman (Hillary)
I have had more than my fill of war, thank you.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:30 AM
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3. I love me some MAINE women!!!!
Especially the well-seasoned ones!

They are strong, smart, and they speak their minds. They don't pout or whine, they get on about their business, and they're steadfast and true. They look good in a plain sweater and minimal war paint. They know how to shovel out their car, and they don't worry about the wind messing up their hair.

I think if you could choose what you'd be reincarnated as, coming back as a savvy Maine Woman would be a step up for most people!

What a fine letter from a charming lady!
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:31 AM
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4. Yes, ALL of Hillary's problems are because she's a woman
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:37 AM
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6. The young women don't have a clue
what we fought for and they are the beneficiary's of. They take it for granted and run the risk of losing the advances that women have made.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:38 AM
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8. One of the advances women have made....
...is to have a mind of their own and not to engage in "group think".


Many women would love a woman President.... just not this particular woman.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:44 AM
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11. sure......
it will never be the particular woman for lots of women.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:29 AM
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17. "group think".= the SWOON
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:39 AM
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10. Hillary Clinton came from privilege. She never had to fight for a damned thing.
Don't you DARE compare her Goldwater Girl, privileged upbringing and opportunities with what women have had to overcome in this system, in general.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:01 AM
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12. Actually, I once thought that , only to find her misogynist Dad refused to pay for college for a gir
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:05 AM by saracat
so Hillary put herself through school. She wasn't exactly a "child of privilege' She worked through school.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:30 AM
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18. few people have shut up that poster. congratulations
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:43 AM
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24. you're an idiot, she was not privileged. nt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:10 AM
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13. Actually many do have a clue.
I am thankful for the those that preceded me, for the 19th Amendment, for the Equal Pay Act, and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I never forget those that sacrificed so that I might enjoy the liberties that I do today.

That's why, as a woman, as an African-American, Native-American, and Latina, I feel free to to use my independent judgment and vote for a candidate I believe will govern with the character, intelligence, and wisdom that every American, including myself deserves.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 AM
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16. How would you vote if Sen, Kay Bailey Hutchinson were running for President against a male?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:38 AM
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7. Happy to kick this one!
I can't tell you how many women I know, and/or have encountered, who ALL expressed a deep yearning to vote for a woman for president. Even those of us with divided loyalties who also find Barack an excellent choice. I thought it was just me. If she's the nominee, I will support her with everything I've got. It's Just. Damned. Time.

Of course, that also applies to rooting for Obama to win. It's Just. Damned. Time. that a person of color rises that high, as well.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:16 AM
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14. There are many more women who dislike Hillary then there are blacks
who dislike Obama.

There is a lot to criticize and to admire in both of them but only Hillary gets put under a magnifying glass, only Hillary gets attacked because... she stayed married to Bill.

With Obama there are still the concerns that criticizing him would appear racist.

I think that Obama will be the candidate and the president. And then, of course, he will never be everything to everyone and we will hear all the disappointments and the crashing down from his pedestal and all the young people who have been filling his arenas "swearing off" politics.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:39 AM
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9. What kind of progressive American leader would stand silent,
supporting with the cold reserve of ambition the disgracefully sexist, blatantly anti-feminist attack on a well-respected woman of the same party, a political foe perhaps, but a national Democratic leader?

Barack Obama - so far and his silence in the case of the cynical media lynching of Hillary Clinton by a national press corps obsessed with her gender is telling. And unless Barack Obama speaks out, his campaign's chilling acceptance of the gender bias stirred by our national media will also remind many of Ronald Reagan's acceptance of the race-baiting southern strategy - because if Obama accepts the presidency, at least in part, because of abject sexism, a brutal gender attack on a female rival - the most famous female Democrat in history - he will set feminism in our country back a generation.


Obama has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent.."When a female public figure is demonized with sexist swill, and such tactics go unchecked, we collectively give our tacit assent to sexism being wielded against any woman in any situation."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:36 AM
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19. The last I expect to happen is for BO to EVER speak out re sexism. Then if
something happens to Michelle, he might think of doing so. but that is remote since she is another media darling. Hands off.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:34 AM
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23. media lynching your delusions are growing exponentially
No person running for office since Thomas Dewen in 1952 has had the advantages of a political brand the way that Hillary Clinton has. By Bill Clinton's own statements it is clear that they considered in college the steps that would have to be considered for her to be a presidential candidate. Three decades in politics with one of the most efficient political dynasties, a corporate machine that systematically kept every business card they ever got and morphed it into the famous Friends of Bill FOB national register.

A year ago she was the presumptive nominee. She had a $10 million head start from her Senate campaign. She raised 110 million for the first 6 months of her campaign. She had the offices of an ex president to lean on. She was tied to the state organization of a dozen govenors who supported her.

She entered the race with a 20 point lead.

She is going to lose the race and it is her own fault. Over packaged over strategized she is unapproachable and so all of the negative crap that goes on in a campaign has stuck to her and she doesn't know how to manage it or the campaign. She is in free fall right now. Doesn't where her fire walls are. Is reading her speeches because they are still trying to find a message for her. Abandoning large venues. Stopping in the middle of a close race in Wisconsin two days before the vote.

Please this is her campaign and her loss.

Save your tears and place the blame on the person who is more responsible.

Before you make a reckless charge of media lynching (hmm who tried that before?) list all of the articles in the NYT and the LAT and CNN that lynched her. Show the 60 minutes spot that promoted lies about her. Show me the media performance statistics that show tha she didn't get as much coverage (if not more) than everyone else.

Media lynching really - is that what Hillary is saying? She was lynched by the media - The big bad media wasn't fair for her. It turns out she wasn't ready on day one, she didn't even know her campaign was out of money. Right before evey candidate in this nomination process drops out (including the ones I supported) they cry their eyes out about the media. Well if you cannot manage the news cycle and control your narrative in this campaign you certainly are not ready to run the largest bureacracy and the strongest military in the world.




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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:03 AM
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21. Women are progressing very well in politics and no-one knows yet whether or not Barack will have a
woman vp.
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mysteryman2 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:22 AM
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22. Kansas Gov. Obama's running mate
Thats the rumour mill. I live in kansas have no idea if its true.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:46 AM
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25. Vote for vagina!
That's my summary of this letter.
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