Dear Hillary Supporters, We Are Quite Aware The GOP & Mediawhores Will Attack Obama

[KittyWampus]

should he prevail and get the nomination.

So spare us your pathetic attempts to paint us as naive.

Especially since it was Your Girl- who has shown she can't manage a campaign, her finances or her staff. Who surrounded herself with incompetent cronies because of their loyalty. Who publicly says "Voters Don't Matter, I've got Superdelegates"- what the fuck all makes you think she'd be able to deal with the coming onslaught?

YOUR girl is stuck in the 90's. Which, by the way, is when her husband helped consolidate Media into the sad, sorry wreck we currently get to 'enjoy'.

At least OUR guy was smart enough to build a REAL grassroots campaign. That means millions of people who are already invested emotionally in making sure Obama gets to the White House. Volunteers who are primed and ready to help counter the lies and filth that will surely come.

I don't think Obama is going to sail into the White House on a path strewn with roses and I'm sure neither he nor his staff do.

Hillary Clinton's on the other hand.... thought she'd get the nomination in a cake walk and had no Plan B.

[Bicoastal]

1. Obama's weak spots aren't too bad...

...the Rezko stuff is small change compared to McCain's history of corruption (Keating 5)...and in the end, all you REALLY have to go on is Obama's full name.

He's been winning over Independents and former GOP guys SO far...and you just have to keep hammering McCain on his commitment to the party.

Obama may not be SUPER-progressive, but he's way more liberal than McCain is conservative.

The Clinton's, on the other hand--sure, Hillary's supporters can say "We've been through all of this stuff! It's all out in the open!" That's just the point--it IS out in the open, and it's going to come up AGAIN. ALL of it.

I'm confident that Obama will do better against McCain.

[KittyWampus]

7. Even if Obama had no weak spots the GOP would INVENT some.

[Hutzpa]

37. Yep, withe the help of the clintons. n/t

[NMMatt]

64. Why does everyone think Hillary or McCain are vetted?

Neither of them have been a national candidate. Hillary has been vetted to some extent as a former first lady who received a lot of scrutiny, but the GOP narrative about her as a candidate has yet to be fully realized. As far as McCain, he has received little scrutiny at all.

Comparing McCain, Hillary and Clinton:

Clinton: Thinly veiled sexist attacks, the whole litany of Clinton scandals and psychodrama will be revisited, she'll be painted as cravenly opportunistic concerning all her different positions over the years as well as the way she will inevitably have to strong arm and manipulate her way into the nomination, try to paint her aggresively fighting back to attacks in as negative light as possible

McCain: light on the issues - especially the economy which will likely be THE issue, thinly veiled "too old" attacks, will be goaded into having angry moments on camera, with all his media exposure and off the cuff talk he'll be caught on tape with some priceless moments, will have to appease his base and will be painted as hypocrital, savings and loan scandals will receive more scrutiny

Obama: Thinly veiled racist/muslim-inuendo attacks, lack of experience and supposed lack of substance, Rezco will receive more scrutiny, drug use innuendos, his above politics pitch will be painted as hypocritical, paint him as liberal, they will hit him as naive and too accomadating on national security and try to catch him in some kind of Dukakis in the tank moment

What you really need to ask yourself, is who is best able to paint themselves in a more positive light, which will serve to neutralize the attacks.

[Blue_In_AK]

2. Can we get rid of this "your" and "our" stuff?

Both of these candidates belong to all of us, like it or not.

[UALRBSofL]

5. The OP is just full of sour grapes

No more needs to be said.

[KittyWampus]

25. yes, they do. However, "I'm Your Girl" is Clinton's line. One that was inappropriate, IMO.

I am a woman and to me it comes across as really off-base.

I would NEVER say in a board room "I'm your girl" to a roomful of executives. EVER.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. "I'm your woman" doesn't really work very well either.

Too many knuckledraggers say things like, "This here's ma woman." She could have just said "I'll work hard on your issues," or something a little less ..... something, I don't know. :shrug:

[Arugula Latte]

3. I agree.

I'm tired of being patted on the head and told that the mean ol' Republicans are gonna go after us.

I mean -- No kidding! ... But at least our guy isn't starting out with mega-negatives to overcome.

[gateley]

4. I find Obama's problems to

pale in comparison to Clinton's -- both in subject and in number.

[Yael]

13. Add intensity in perception...

[bridgit]

6. You people and your condescension are little appreciated...

[Johnny__Motown]

8. Oh Come On., Hillary won't even release her tax returns until after the Convention

She is a much better target for the Repubs than Barack.


As far as inventing things go.... Don't forget all the papers locked up in the Clinton Library that they won't release. Repugs can easily forge documents and leak them to the media. The Clintons will need to then release the actual papers to prove the other document is a forgery. Either way Hillary is screwed in that situation, and as she goes so goes our party.

[Yael]

14. Oh please. She isn't releasing a thing, ever.

That is a democratic inparty issue -- not a D vs R issue and she knows it.

[KittyWampus]

23. Well, since McCain didn't release HIS either, that's 1 arrow from the quiver we can't use in the GE

[Yael]

29. Bingo

[DemGa]

9. Obama seems to have no sense of history regarding right-wing attacks

Obama: "The notion that somehow the Clintons have coddled me and the Republicans are these big, bad folks who have different operation than the Clintons do, I think is just not the case," he said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/hillary...

[KittyWampus]

34. Axelrod worked for Harold Washington in Chicago and knows how to do negative. So up til now

Obama's responses have been geared toward meshing with his persona.

[elixir]

10. While your dropping the "your" and "our" why you don't stop calling Hillary "your girl".

I don't think you'd appreciate it if we called Obama "your boy."

[Yael]

17. Girl/Guy

[NashVegas]

73. Girl / Boy

But "boy" wouldn't look too good in this instance. And Hillary's not exactly a "gal."

[jkshaw]

20. elixir, Hillary herself used the phrase, "I'm your girl."

So far as I know, Obama has never said "I'm your boy."

[Occam Bandage]

71. Elixir, it's her phrase. Which she said numerous times.

[Yael]

11. "...thought she'd get the nomination"

On Feb 5th no less

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

12. She had no plan beyond February 5th.

Can't decide if that is more arrogant or stupid.

[Yael]

15. If nothing, she is not stupid.

This was the "never give her bad news" inevitable meme at play.

[AtomicKitten]

21. the mistakes she is marking are really quite breathtaking

The Clintons are rolling out the ugly again having not learned by how nicely ;) that worked out for them in South Carolina. It's like watching the Titanic starting to go down; I just never imagined in a million years it would go down like this.

[Yael]

26. I knew it would be bad, but not this bad. I honestly

think that they don't know how to lose with grace - and are aiming to take the party down with them.

That is not a happy thought.

[K Gardner]

16. Its quite obvious to me that Barack Obama is poised and ready to sail above

any false attack and to counter any personal attack quite effectively. If the HRC Camp hasn't noticed this, it's only because they're stuck down there on the low road while Obama rides smoothly on the high road. He will handle anything thrown at him with the dignity and grace with which he has handled his campaign.. oh, and one more thing they conveniently forget: He has a millions-strong-throng of grassroots support behind him.

We have his back.

[KittyWampus]

19. okay "sail above it" does sound naive. Come here so I can smack you upside your head.

Did Kerry "sail above it"? Did Gore?

My point, if Obama has run a good campaign, it's more likely he'll have a good response team set up.

[K Gardner]

22. LOL... point taken. I just think he'll be fine, given his outstanding performance thus far !

[russian33]

27. well, Kerry did go sailing...

edit to add the pic

[DemGa]

24. Well he would be the first (but he won't be nominated)

The way the Obamas talk, it seems they think right-wing attacks are unique to the Clintons (who of course deserve it, right?). That's an extremely naive point of view.

[Political Heretic]

18. Hillary Campaign: Ready to fail from day one.

Failed to anticipate a challenger to my assumption that the nomination was my divine birthright.

Failed to manage my campaign finances effectively.

Failed to raise money to match my opponent.

Failed to develop a consistent, successful campaign message.

Failed to deliver on my promise to dominate super tuesday.

Failed to win any of the last eight races.

Failed to keep hold of my super delegates.

Barack Obama: Change we can believe in.
Hillary Clinton: Failure we can count on.


Don't talk to me about GOP attacks on whoever our future nominee is... Clinton can't even manage not to bungle a campaign she was universally expected to win. Either candidate will be attacked, stop with the Republican fear tactics and start preparing to fight back.

[Yael]

28. Bookmarking this thread for this response

Well done, sir/madam

[tandem5]

38. you don't give Obama much credit for his success - by implication

the only reason he's winning is because of her shortcomings.

[Political Heretic]

39. No, its a combination of both.

Biggest failure of the Clinton campaign was the failure to anticipate such a serious, powerful challenger. It's credit to Obama and his campaign in that regard.

But Hillary is no buffoon, and no bumbling politician, and despite my nasty-negative post-ad, I don't like seeing her campaign be such a mess. She's capable and qualified - but I believe, even though I'm sure to get screemed at for saying this - what consistently gets in both the Clinton's way are their enormous egos. Ultimately, I think their sense of "inevitability" is the primary reason why they are where they are.

I think Obama is the better choice to lead America right now, but I ALSO think that if Hillary had begun her campaign process from a humble stand point of planning for a hard fought race and anticipating and planning for the possibility of a serious challenge - I DO believe she would be doing much better against the newcomer Obama. Her experience and political skill, when not shot down by ego, is a pretty powerful force for any first time presidential candidate to reckon with.

[TheDonkey]

46. OUCH! "Hillary Clinton: Failure we can count on."

but I do not have much faith in her machine if she is barely holding on now. Obama has not even gone negative on her unlike how she is constantly trying to pull out the knives.

[nolabels]

80. Well if you were going to run a piece of shit as if it were a viable option......

what would you do. This ultimately will be what the republicans have to do. All of the options they have revolve around the narrative. Their first task at hand is to define the other candidate as a piece of shit. There is no other option for them. It's not rocket science, it's the stark choice they have optioned themselves into.

To me this it looks like it's going to kind of interesting. A well compromised GOP meeting up with the boogie man.

I wonder if grandpa S&L will want to debate the incarnate in person :-)

[CatnHat]

30. Useless tripe

Comparatively, Clinton has millions of people who are already invested (not only) emotionally (but knowing she can and will and can represent the American people.

(It's not all about Obama, its about the American people.) (Hillary's) volunteers who are primed and ready to help to help counter the lies and filth (not only by the media, but by people in our own party who insist on degrading the Clinton's.)

Again, I must have posted this a million times---Bill Clinton in not running, maybe we should start a thread about Obama's wife. Let's drag her through the mud. Ya think.

[KittyWampus]

31. sorry, but the Clinton campaign didn't even start fundraising via internet til a few weeks ago.

and didn't bother putting resources in a large number of states that didn't matter.

[CatnHat]

33. Huh

wasn't it Howard Dean that actually was successful fundraising on the net? Sadly, for him, got him no where. His campaign also gloated over the "grassroots" theory. Look at Romney, even his "millions" couldn't save him. It's not about money, its about competence, and in that category, your guy looses.

Obama camp poured money into "red" states, strange. In reality, those states will go republican anyway. I only wish the democrats who are in the "red" states take a second look at Hillary's campaign issues, her confidence and more importantly her ability to get things done for the American people.

[KittyWampus]

36. So Hillary writes off how many states? Not bothering? YOU may want another white knuckle election

where we barely manage to win the WH and barely hang onto congress. But I sure don't.

And your presumption of what are 'red states' says volumes.

[CatnHat]

43. Get Real

What states did Hillary write off? She didn't write off anything. You are the one who brought up money and how much Obama is bringing in. Well, he had the "money" to put people in place, you know, and I might add, a political strategy that worked in the primary for him, but sadly, the "red", oops, I meant republican states will ultimately go to McCain. That's not a presumption, just observation.

Fact: Red states do go republican in GE; and Blue States go Democratic. What's so damn presumptuous about that. People are people, I respect democracy in giving people choices, if you are a republican, that's cool, if you are a democrat, that's cool. How presumptuous of you to think otherwise. I have democratic friends and I have republican friends, so what's your point, or is it that you just being biased?

[alittlelark]

32. This is one of my 1st GD-P posts in quite awhile....

You are SPOT-ON.... my neighborhood (yeah, upper middle class) has nary a Hillary sign in sight. It's OBAMA all the way (with a few Ron Pauls in the 'hood).

WE kept pace w/ the times and moved towards the future.

Silicon Valley is kinda like that.

[CatnHat]

41. Nice of you to keep

pace with the times. It's so refreshing to hear, Obama is doing so well in your neighborhood.:sarcasm:

Many Americans don't have the time or energy to "keep" pace. They are too busy wondering and worrying about their future. Millions of "middle" Americans are being crushed on both sides of the fence. While the rich are getting richer, the middle class is getting poorer and poorer.

That is why the majority of Middle America is supporting Clinton. The middle class is suffocating, not only with loss of jobs, loss of health-care for their families, but most importantly, loosing out on the American Dream. Many are loosing their homes, working two or three jobs, at a cut in salary just to sustain. Life is no "pep rally", It's fighting for our "movement of the middle class", and that's just a tad more important, don'tcha think?

[TheDonkey]

47. Is HC against shipping jobs overseas? What about NAFTA Bill's love child

I find it interesting that many of HC's talking points were problems only exacerbated her husband's regime.

[alittlelark]

48. Wake up from your 'dreamworld'

Obama signs are in Mountain View, Sunnyvale, Palo Alto, Even Albuquerque.. I go there 4-5 times a year. They are in Fremont, E Palo Alto, Brentwood, Milpitas.... Everywhere I have traveled in the last few months I see a huge preponderance of Obama and Ron Paul signs.

Wake up.

[ProSense]

35. And another thing:

Hillary courted the wingnut media and they set her up good.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. When did Hillary say she would get the nomination in a cake walk? The MSM are the ones who did that

, not Hillary. I've never heard her say she knew she would be the nominee. That's a flat-out lie.

[CatnHat]

44. It is flat out lie

"tearing Hillary down and downright lying" is part of Obama crowd's agenda. No surprise. While on the other side of their mouths they tout hope and change. :crazy: Pathetic.

[Spider Jerusalem]

51. No, it isn't a lie; it's nothing more or less than the truth.

What's a lie is claiming she never said it. You need to do your homework.

An appealing sense of confidence or an obnoxious sense of entitlement? How you view Hillary Clinton's exchange with Katie Couric last night probably depends entirely on how you view Hillary Clinton herself.

Couric asked Clinton how disappointed she'll be if she's not the Democratic nominee. "Well," Clinton said, "it will be me."

Clinton said, as she has before, that she'll support the Democratic nominee, whoever it may be. So that means that Clinton has at least considered the possibility that she won't be the nominee?

"No," she said, "I haven't."

source: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/11/27/clinton/index.html

[tandem5]

42. So if she had had a plan b she would have dominated?

Obama has been billed as this brilliant campaigner with a groundswell of support yet threads like this seem to imply he wouldn't stand a chance if she ran a competent campaign. So which is it? Is he executing a crushing, shrewd strategy, drawing on grass root support or is he some joe schmo candidate that is reaping the benefits of her supposed ineptness?

I have to say that if its the former of the two then you have to admit that Clinton, in the face of an unexpected and formidable opponent has held her own pretty well - Give her a little credit and you won't end up selling Obama short.

[smalll]

45. And wait till they do start attacking --

because up until now, the openly Repuke pundits have treated Barack as though his shit don't stink and his farts turn instantaneously into magical post-partisan ponies to be delivered one-by-one to all the fresh-faced, dreamy little kiddies in this beautiful country of ours. You just wait.

[bridgit]

53. Medved has already accused Obama of staging the 'fainting women routine'...

at several of his appearances i.e. same up front vapors all involving women, same words spoken toward their cares so as to suggest status of healer, similar bottle of water tossed into the crowd invoking 'giver of hospice' symbology, etc

Brooks on The News Hour points out Obama only staging events at universities implying his being unwilling to move amongst the lesser among us, so yeah...

You can see it gearing up already. Barack can suggest Clinton is being hysterical without using the word 'hysterical' i.e. "when she gets down she attacks" and so on, it's a lofty position no doubt, he should enjoy it while he is able as the GE will not be pretty

[Skip Intro]

50. Gee - I feel so, uh, UNITED! And hopeful. Yes, yes yes! Hopeful! I'm full of HOPE!

You have inspired me to, I dunno, change, yes change...diapers.

A change I BELIEVE IN!

[RememberWellstone]

52. Feeling haughty are we?

Hillary has the experience far and above Obama..change? To what? We know nothing of how he would govern, nothing. Hillary has 35+ years experience,please spare me the Obama has everything under control. I actually feel he is LaLa land right now, not knowing exactly what to do. He has no real plan IMHO.

[NastyRiffraff]

54. Obama and his supporters have NO IDEA what's coming if he wins the nomination

He's not used to frontal attacks. He's never campaigned before against a creditable opponent. Yes, he has lots of newspaper endorsements; so did Kerry and look what the media did to him.

Right now, Obama is a media darling...he's new, he's cool, he's good-looking, and he fires up his supporters with a "message" of hope and change. Never mind that the message lacks substance; the crowds are going wild! Plus, the media will love ANYONE campaigning against a Clinton. Yes, that means Hillary will also get it, full-throttle, if she is the nominee, but she can see clearly what's coming and is fully prepared for it.

The media, against all odds, luvs McCain, the maverick "Straight Talker." They're STILL using maverick to describe him. Besides he gives them good food, and jokes with them, just like Bush likes to nickname people. They'll drop Obama like a worn-out dirty sock if he runs against McCain. Obama may depend on his Republican friends to protect him, and maybe some even will. But he'd better come out of the clouds to confront what's sure to come if he's the nominee.

[Spider Jerusalem]

55. 'never campaigned before against a credible opponent'...

apparently including Hillary Clinton. Which makes one wonder why you think she'd do any better.

[bridgit]

56. I think they're referring to Alan Keyes yes? Which I think even *I* could of prevailed over...

:thumbsup:

[NastyRiffraff]

57. Did you miss the word BEFORE?

Yes, I think anyone but the most rabid Obama supporters would agree that Hillary is a creditable opponent, although some may believe that nobody has the right to run against St. Barack.

[Spider Jerusalem]

58. Judging from the way she's run her campaign? Not so much.

[theHandpuppet]

66. I'll second all of the above

But folks can't hear you when have their hands clapped over their ears. They'll soon find out that you speak to truth and you can't say they haven't been warned.

[terrya]

69. His last opponent in a general election was Alan Keyes, for fuck's sake.

Good points.

[rodeodance]

59. More lecturing from an Obamafolk. Several of these types post today. Paronia setting in??

[ErnestoG]

61. More like a taste of reality, Hillarzombie.

[rodeodance]

68. The OP reminded me Bush lecturing Congress.

[ErnestoG]

60. Amen. Madame Establishment Candidate thought it was hers for the taking

Oh dear. Better come up with five million to tie everyone over....

[VotesForWomen]

63. never heard her say that; heard a lot of her detractors say she said it. nt

[FrenchieCat]

77. You must not have been listening!

Hillary says she’ll be Democratic nominee by Feb 5th
December 13, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is anticipating that she will not have to wait long to become the Democratic presidential nominee, privately telling campaign donors in California that the race "is all going to be over by Feb. 5."

Though the focus of the 2008 presidential campaign is on Iowa and New Hampshire, the states with the earliest contests, Clinton suggested that California's influence might be larger than was commonly believed.

"You've got to realize that people in California will start voting absentee about the time Iowa and New Hampshire happen," the senator from New York said at a closed-door fundraising reception Tuesday evening. "In fact, more people will have voted absentee by the middle of January than will have voted in New Hampshire, Iowa and a lot of other places combined."

On Friday, California absentee ballots began going out to members of the military and others living abroad.

California's remaining absentee ballots will be sent out beginning Jan. 7, one day before the New Hampshire primary and four days after the Iowa precinct caucuses.

California holds its primary Feb. 5, along with 21 other states and American Samoa.

"California, Texas, New York, New Jersey — you've got way more than half the country," Clinton said at the fundraising event at a Sacramento restaurant. "And we're going to be ready, thanks to all of you. We're running a vigorous campaign here in California."

Voters in 22 states will vote after Feb. 5, as will those in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam.

The fundraising reception was closed to the news media, but an audio recording of Clinton's speech was made available to the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton13dec13,1,2613727.story

[VotesForWomen]

62. here's naivety: O would have been out of the race a long time ago if he

was going to do half of the miraculous, transformational stuff you think he's going to do. get real; do you think the MSM and other powers that be would have let him become a frontrunner if he was any threat to them? yeah, you guys are naive all right.

[TalkAgain]

65. And had no money saved for after Super Tuesday...

[ellisonz]

67. Fuckin' A.

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. It isn't naive that I am painting you--it is that you betraying democrats

We have known and been complaining about the media bias against democrats for years. We have applauded when people stand up to the media bias and we have been fighting for a level playing field when it comes to the media's propaganda.

And yet, most of you on DU who support Obama cheer when they attack Clinton constantly. You buy into the load of crap that they feed you (for example many of you repeat the talking point that Clinton is running a negative campaign and Obama is running a positive one--that is a lie brought to you by the media).

Naivety is not what I am suggesting. You are hypocrites. You are sleeping with the enemy because it suits your candidate. Propaganda should not be ok ever in a democracy.

YOu are as bad as the Bush supporters.

[NashVegas]

75. Hear Hear!

It's this behavior that's going to make it very difficult for me to sympathize with them in the GE, should Obama win the nomination.

[KittyWampus]

76. Hypocrites? We don't harp relentlessly on Clinton's filthy money donors, her homophobic supporters

now do we?

Do we call Hillary supporters a Cult for ignoring her ugly side and negative baggage?

When have I or any other long time DU'er "cheered" the smears?

There are legitimate issues with Clinton.

[Evergreen Emerald]

81. I suggest you look back at the Clinton posts from the beginning of this election

It is ugly the way Clinton is treated on this board. At first the response was to attempt to defend Clinton with issues--but you would have none of that. Your constant ugly assaults on Clinton using the lamest right-wing talking points and even at one point photoshopping Clinton as HItler (really) became too much and people started fighting back.

You are now attempting to 1. distract from the issue of the media, 2. Attempting to re-right history. The Obama supporters came to DU to get ugly. 3. There were posts accusing Clinton of being in a cult, actually.

[KittyWampus]

72. kick

[FrenchieCat]

74. cryingshame, you speak for me!

[billbuckhead]

78. Obama is an empty canvas for the GOP media masters to paint a masterpiece

They turned war heros John Kerry and Max Cleland into commie traitors. They turned superhonest Al Gore into a liar.

[FrenchieCat]

79. They won't have much work to do on Hillary....she already painted......

as a disaster waiting to happen, again.

[billbuckhead]

82. The best time in American history vs a risky guy with a very thin resume.MMMMmm

You can't argue with true "believers".

"Belief is the enemy of truth"