Obama has raised more money from corporations than Giuliani, Romney, and McCain

[jackson_dem]

How exactly is he "not corporate"? He is #1 or #2 in almost every corporate category. How the fuck do you think he is raising $1 million a day ever since he became the front runner?

[LakeSamish706]

1. I'm assuming that you are able to provide some proof of your post? n/t

[jackson_dem]

8. It has been mentioned numerous times

This is BEFORE he raised $32 million last month and is on pace to raise $30 million this month. He should be ahead of Hillary now in most of these categories.



He is as corporate as Hillary. All the "hope" in the world doesn't change that.

[lurky]

22. Post the context of that chart, please.

I have seen it before, and if I remember, it is who the donor works for. For example, if a registered nurse gives Hillary $50, it will show up under "Health Professionals".

You are trying to make it look like these are actual corporations and business groups giving the money. That is fundamentally dishonest and deceptive of you. The only graph I find relevant on that chart is the one about lobbyists.

[Political Heretic]

44. This is critically important and its going to get IGNORED by just about everyone.

[jackson_dem]

59. His biggest contributor is Goldman Sachs

What do you think Goldman Sachs bigwigs want? To see Goldman Sachs fail?

[lurky]

69. You didn't address my point.

You just responded with another unbacked-up assertion, followed by another vague insinuation.

[jackson_dem]

81. I don't 'believe" janitors are the reason his top contributor is Goldman Sachs

We don't know the total number of bundled and corporate executive money he has gotten because he doesn't list it. We can only use common sense which says it wasn't janitors at Goldman Sachs giving him money.

[lurky]

101. Can we?

How much did he get from GS employees? Who were they? What were their contributions?

Again, you are long on speculation and innuendo, and short on hard facts.

[rateyes]

110. I just did an FEC contributions search on Goldman Sachs...

Guess what? NO contributions to Obama. SEVERAL contributions to Hillary Clinton.

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_supopp/C00350744/

Happy reading.

[Melinda]

107. Here is the 2nd half of the chart, the part the OP refuses to provide:

METHODOLOGY: The totals on these charts are calculated from PAC contributions and contributions from individuals giving more than $200, as reported to the Federal Election Commission. Individual contributions are generally categorized based on the donor's occupation/employer, although individuals may be classified instead as ideological donors if they've given more than $200 to an ideological PAC.

NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2008 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released on Monday, October 29, 2007.


© Copyright 2008. Center for Responsive Politics. All rights reserved.


jpg at http: // bvar22 . iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/images/moneychart2.jpg

Just remove spaces and paste into browser window.

[lurky]

109. Thank you.

:hi:

[Melinda]

118. You're welcome.

Pesky facts anyway!!

:hi:

[totodeinhere]

24. What's your point?

He is as corporate as Hillary. All the "hope" in the world doesn't change that.

Are you saying that we shouldn't vote for either Clinton or Obama and let Grandpa McCain take over?

[demokatgurrl]

41. Great graphic; can you provide a link? n/t

[IndieLeft]

65. how does he post that graph?

i thought you had to be a donor, but he's not. how do you do it?

[lurky]

74. Just paste the URL for the image file.

Make sure you preview it first.

[Indenturedebtor]

48. HEY

How about posting a link to that graphic for once? I've seen you throw that up here every few days and NEVER with a link.

Also it's disingenous. Much of this country works for corporations. You can't reject contributions from all corporate employees... who would be left? Mom and pop stores and gardeners etc?

You know the differences between PAC, Lobbyist, and individual contributions and yet still you post this smear tactic bullshit.

Give it a rest. And post your link for once. I have photoshop too. Yipee.

[IronLionZion]

55. You're not doing your candidate any favors. You are for Clinton right?

She is topping most of those: commercial banks, health, law firms, lobbyists, big pharma, and scurities and investments. She is certainly getting more than Obama, check out lobbyists.

[IndieLeft]

57. Yes, and who leads EVERYONE?

duh duh duh..... Hillary!

[IndieLeft]

OH, and he said he doesn't take pac money

or lobbyist money. nice try though.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

105. Context..

Is this donations from people who work in the corporate world or from corporations..

I noticed you glossed over the really important number which is lobbyist which Hillary has collected 700% more fund from..

[Cameron27]

2. He's not corporate,

because he said he's not. Get with the program.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

106. Hes not corporate because

If this computer geek working 50 hour weeks so I can go home to my tiny 1000sq ft home to the four people I support in my beat up, leased, car it would say 'Insurance' not 'joe blow who works for an insurance company.

[Hutzpa]

3. Yet another Flamebait n/t

[rodeodance]

40. HA HA---another Rovian tactic--Respond to the OP instead of toss out your own flame.

[Name removed]

4. Deleted message

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[jackson_dem]

6. Spoken like a true cultist

Truth hurts?

[Hawkeye-X]

13. Actually, you're looking about it in the wrong way..

It's just that Obama raises from the people, and Hillary raises from the corporate.

So you're going backwards, not forward.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

17. That is not true but a key Obama myth

His top contributor is Goldman Sachs...

[Hawkeye-X]

28. Again, you are ignoring the fact - I've already debunked you three times.

He gets 99% of his donations through Individual contributions. Clinton gets 90%. That tells a telling story.

You see, individuals are people too. Not corporate. Also note Hillary's PAC contributions is close to $1M vs Obama's $25? It is also a very telling story.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary_chart.asp?cycle=2008&id=N00009638

Obama

Individual contributions $101,429,472 - 99%
PAC contributions $25 - 0%
Candidate self-financing - $0 - 0%
Federal Funds - $0 - 0%
Other - $741,170 - 1%

Breakdown of the PAC of Obama's

$3,250 for Business at 26%, and $9,237 for Ideological/Single Issue at 74$.


Clinton

Individual contributions $103,611,269 - 90%
PAC contributions $959,719 - 1%
Candidate self-financing - $0 - 0%
Federal Funds - $0 - 0%
Other - $11,081,373 - 10%

Breakdown of the PAC of Hillary's

Business contributed 56% of the PAC money ($304,408), Labor 11% (58,600) and Ideological/Single Issue ($181,484) - 33%


So it's clear to me that Clinton is the corporatist candidate, not Obama. Let's try to get your facts straight, even if you speak from the horse's mouth.

[jackson_dem]

32. Who cares about that empty difference? That has nothing to do with corporate influence

$2,300 from an "invidual" who expects Obama to do for him what Obama did for Exelon, the drug companies, etc. is just as bad as that amount coming from a lobbyist. $100,000 from a corporate bundler is much worse than one lobbyist writing a check. The lobbyists are at least out in the open.

[Hawkeye-X]

36. And who has more max contributers, Obama or Hillary.

*checking* - ahhh.. the answer is SO obvious....


It's HILLARY! She has about over 75% of her contributers maxed out at 4,600 FOR EACH (Primary/GE).

She doesn't really have much resources to tap to.

That's the 4th item I've debunked from you. Next!

[jackson_dem]

60. And that has what bearing on the issue of corporate influence?

[Hawkeye-X]

63. You should be asking yourself that question...

and I'm sure you'll come up with the wrong answer, as usual.

Hawkeye-X

[mkultra]

31. right wing talking point

[southlandshari]

29. This is ridiculous

I'm sorry I posted in this thread now that I read the replies posted at the same time I was writing mine. We are now calling each other "cultists" when they respond to our views with differing ones? And "freepers" rather than either discussing the OP of the thread or choosing to ignore it if it doesn't merit intelligent discussion?

Holy moly, indeed

:(

[corkhead]

52. the time has passed to have a say in whether or not we have a corporatist in the WH

now we are stuck having to choose which corporatist we want. Get over it.

Bashing Obama on this point will get you nowhere, Hillary is just as bad.

Why aren't you going after McCain?

your devisive post only serves him at this point.

[Straight Shooter]

26. You are way off base. jackson_dem is a Democrat.

You been here long enough to realize he was an Edwards supporter?

I think you called me a right winger, too, in another thread. As bush said about Syria, you better stop that shit.

[blm]

5. It's the WAY money gets allotted. Everyone working at Time Warner music is gonna be

lumped in with the corporate media for instance, even though it can be ten secretaries and ten officerunners donating 20 bucks each.


However, Obama has joined Kerry the last two years in crafting legislation AGAINST the corporate media machines and filed disapprovals on the rulings allowing expansion. He and Kerry are talking the added measure of defunding FCC so the new rulings CAN'T go into effect.

Big difference from the Clinton machine that BOASTS of its attention to corporate needs over the years.

[jackson_dem]

10. Executives don't write $2,300 checks for good government

They want something in return...

[ProSense]

16. Who said they were executives? What are the lobbyists writing checks to Hillary for in return:

Video: Edwards, Clinton, and Obama debate about Lobbyist

[jackson_dem]

18. Many are and there are bundlers for him

Obama has a proven record of doing the bidding of corporate contributors, whether it is the nuke industry or drug companies. Oh. Speaking of drug companies guess who has raised the most money from them?

Hillary is corporate. The difference is the "true believers" think St. Obama isn't and ignore the evidence while railing against Hillar being corporate. They both are corporate. If you wanted a non-corporate candidate you should have thought about it earlier. We are stuck with 2 corporate candidates.

[ProSense]

21. "there are bundlers for him" You already know that's

false, but far be it from you to let the truth get in the way of your desperation.

[jackson_dem]

33. Really? Post that from a credible source

Obama machine propaganda is not credible.

[ProSense]

53. Here

this is an official government database for you to check the names yourself.

[jackson_dem]

61. That is a database of lobbists, not bundlers like the ones who bundled over $200k for Bush

[ProSense]

78. Bundlers can be anyone, the issue is they not be registered lobbyist. n/t

[jackson_dem]

82. Baloney

Buying influence is buying influence regardless of how it is done. Goldman Sachs will remind Obama who his biggest contributor was.

[ProSense]

90. You don't know what you are talking about, go to tracking groups website and see the housewives

listed as bundlers, and the money isn't theirs it's raised from individuals.

Golmans Sachs former CEO, Jon Corzine, is a HillRaiser.

[jackson_dem]

91. Nothing about bundlers. Oh Jon Corzine. Isn't he a Democratic governor of a big state?

ou have not selected any fields.
Registrants
registrant name
registrant country
registrant ppb country

Clients
client name
client state
client country
client ppb country

Lobbyists
lobbyist name
lobbyist status
(active or terminated)
lobbyist covered position description
(for electronic filings only)
lobbyist covered government position indicator
(yes or no)
_____________________________________________________________

Filings
report type
amount reported
date, filing received
filing period
filing year
government entity contacted
issue area
(lobbying activity)
specific lobbying issue
(for electronic filings only)(text)

Affliated Organization
affiliated organization name
affiliated organization country

Foreign Entities
foreign entity name
foreign entity country
foreign entity ppb country
ownership percentage

(Please note that your search results will be limited to the first 1000 records returned.)

[blm]

27. What is Hillary giving them, cuz Clintons are the ones we KNOW do the bidding

of the corporatists.

Obama is a much cleaner slate and he believes in open government. Plus, he's surrounding himself with REAL progressives who have long advocated for public financing of campaigns to get ALL corporate money OUT of campaigns.

[jackson_dem]

34. $1 million a day. That is who will fight for public financing?

The biggest fund raiser of all-time?

They both are corporate. One has cultivated a myth that he isn't. His rhetoric doesn't match his record.

[blm]

58. Wrong. Corporatists protect secrecy and privilege. Obama is for open government and

I will predict Kerry also urges Obama to use his office to advocate for public financing of campaigns.

[Hawkeye-X]

30. That's Hillary's supporters...

....so why are YOU supporting her? She does not work for the people, she works for lobbyists/corporations. She is DLC Leadership through and through. She is NOT Goddess of Peace.

[jackson_dem]

35. Obama is the same

She is the better of the two. For one she can beat McCain...

Obamites and the DLC. Do you guys ever look at wtf the DLC believes? Compare it to what Obama believes...

[Hawkeye-X]

42. 5th item DEEEEE-BUNKED!

Obama is NOT DLC, and has refused invitation to be in one. However, he is on the top 100 rising stars.... but it does NOT mean he's DLC.

I'd rather follow Obama than to follow DLC "Third Way" bullshit that seems to encompass Hillary.

NEXT!!!!!

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

62. He believes in what the DLC believes

I couldn't care less if he signed up for the DLC t-ball team. He stands for what they stand. If you disagree show us any policy disagreement he has with the DLC...

[Hawkeye-X]

70. Oh, please provide EVIDENCE that Obama said that.

I'll be waiting for that said assertion, and I'll give you as much time as you need.

Ready? Set... GO!

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

83. Who mentioned a statement?

Look at his policies. Name one difference on policy he was with the DLC. Ready? Fired up? Go!

[Hawkeye-X]

86. Again, you are refusing to back your statements.

I don't have to do shit for you.

All I have to watch you stutter like you've been doing all day in this thread.

[jackson_dem]

93. You obviously not know what the DLC actually believes

What differences are there between him and Hillary? We can agree Hillary is DLC right? If he has no differences with a DLC leader...

Saying "prove" Obama believes what the DLC believes is like saying "prove" Bush believes in what the GOP believes. It is borne out of ignorance of what the entity in question believes.

[Hawkeye-X]

97. Look, I've been around a damn long time, and I know what DLC

does... and I don't support ONE iota of the DLC. I have read proven statements that Obama is NOT DLC and will NOT follow the DLC way. Hillary is the lion of DLC, so my choice with DLC and non-DLC was an obvious one - I'll take the lesser evil, and that is Obama.

And please back your statements when I ask you - don't just throw a curve - I'll just hit it every time.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

103. So Hillary is DLC but Obama, who has the same basic policies, "won't follow the DLC way"

How does that work?

[Hawkeye-X]

114. You figure it out. it's your OP

I don't have to hold your hands and explain it to you.

[southlandshari]

7. How is he not "grassroots"?

According to the most recent reports released from the Federal Election Commission, Obama has raised more than $8 million more than Clinton in individual gifts, contributions of no more than $4600 per individual donor.

:shrug:

[Caribbean Eyes]

11. Strange funding he has

Mr. Obama's Web site allows donors to choose an address in one of 227 possible countries or territories, including Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, and Yemen. Has anyone ever asked why that is?? Iran and Iraq ???

[Political Heretic]

47. Umm because americans live all over the world?

:shrug:

[Adelante]

51. Not to mention American soldiers

Who donate to Obama.

[WilyWondr]

49. Why shouldn't they be listed?

Last time I checked people with money live there and some of them are Americans.

Are they not allowed to donate to the BHO campaign because of where they live?
Do you think they should not be allowed to vote in the elections if they live there?

People sent them there and you want to tell them that they cannot oppose the administration that sent them there. Your attitude is amazing.

[Adelante]

50. Welcome to DU, Caribbean Eyes

:hi:

[maddezmom]

73. soldiers, diplomats, and expats

Hope that answers your question. :hi: I've lived abroad 3 times and have donated each time to campaigns, its normal nothing out of the ordinary.

[southlandshari]

77. You beat me to it!

:hi:

Hope things are well with you these days!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

111. 227 is the number of UN recognized nations is it not?

[cottonseed]

9. You left out one person in your calculations.

The number one corporate candidate - Hill.

[Perry Logan]

12. A good question--already well-answered in posts 5 and 7.

[berni_mccoy]

14. It's where the money comes from... Obama's contributions are from individuals, not corporations

But individuals must log what company they work for. That is what those are based on.

Clinton gets 10% from non-individuals (orgs, trusts, etc): http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

Obama gets 99% from individuals: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

[jackson_dem]

15. "individuals". Obama should come clean

How many of those "individuals" are corporate bundlers? How many of them are corporate executives giving him $2,300 a piece?

[berni_mccoy]

19. Keep reaching... and they call Obama supporters cultists and kool-aide drinkers

sheesh.

[jackson_dem]

37. lol his top contributor is Goldman Sachs. Just a fluke...keep "hoping"

Unless he somehow wins and starts paying back his corporate owners...

[berni_mccoy]

46. Um, that would be individual contributors that work at the company.

Maybe it's because employees of GS have more money to burn.

[jackson_dem]

66. And what do they want?

It isn't the janitor at Goldman Sachs giving him that money...What do they want? Good government or something in return?

[berni_mccoy]

79. The individuals sending their hard earned money want Obama to be president

plain and simple. Get over it.

[jackson_dem]

84. No one disagrees. Why do they want him to be president?

Are Goldman Sachs bigwigs interested in good government or do they want a pro corporate president who they can buy?

[Hawkeye-X]

88. What do you have against Goldman Sachs?

You are very obsessed with it. Hillary has a lot more corporatist lobbyists working for her and getting ("bundling") money.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

94. Hillary is known as a corporate candidate

Obama is running as a saint free of all taint and any corporate influence.

[southlandshari]

20. How many fall into that category among donors to any candidate?

Seriously....are you insinuating that corporate strategists are funneling big bucks in small packages designed to look like minor financial gifts from random people to Obama, but not any other candidate?

:wow:

[jackson_dem]

39. A few, unless you are raising $100 million a year

Let's say Duncan Hunter didn't get as much corporate dough as Obama and Hillary.

Bundling is well known. Corporate executives can easily write $2,300 checks and that is perfectly legal. Do you think only average Joes contribute to St. Obama?

[lurky]

54. Last I heard, it was HRC's donors who were "Maxed Out".

And Obama who was dominating with small donors over the Internet. Again, please justify your insinuations with evidence.

[Hawkeye-X]

76. I've already challenged him twice to provide proof, and he hasn't.

So he knows he's battling a losing battle.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

64. 90% vs 98%. Oooh! Big "change" there

This goes to what I am saying. Obama is playing the distinction without a difference game. Less than 1% of Hill's money comes from lobbyists and both get about as much from corporate bundlers, corporate executives, others vested in the corporate interest of their company being served.

[Occam Bandage]

23. And less than your girl.

[rodeodance]

43. Shall Obama be called a boy now??

Original Message
And less than your girl.
Posted by Occam Bandage

[Occam Bandage]

45. As soon as Obama makes "I'm your boy" a catchphrase, sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9JBItfTZI

[Umbram]

67. It's sexist to quote the candidate.

Don't ya know?

[boricua79]

25. initiate fair, balanced, MANDATORY public financing

and we'll see how he won't have to resort to corporate financing to fight off the Clinton behemoth.

Not fair to tar and feather him for that, when others have done it too.

Where's edwards?

[Adelante]

56. Here

People look at fundraising numbers and declare that because X candidate took more money from Y industry than another, X candidate must be more beholden to the industry than the other candidate. However, you always have to look at the whole picture.It is often said right here on DU that Edwards is a better candidate because he has taken less from Health Care or Lobbyists or whatever than Obama, but no one ever considers the fact that Obama has, in general, outraised Edwards by over 250%.The fact is John Edwards has taken money from EXACTLY the same sources as the other candidates. When you at it in proportion, it paints the real picture. John Edwards is as in bed with these people as Obama.

Obama has raised 80 million. Edwards only 30 million.

28% of John Edwards Donors are “small donors”

25% of Barack Obama’s Donors are “small donors”

Let’s look at some industries.

Health Care

Barack Obama (D) 1.6% of his total
$1,330,743

John Edwards (D) 1.4 % of his total
$419,326

Insurance Industry

Barack Obama (D)
$390,513 0.4% of his total

John Edwards (D)
$129,600 0.4% of his total

Lobbyists

Barack Obama (D)
$76,859 0.09% of his total

John Edwards (D)
$18,900 0.06% of his total

Banks

Barack Obama (D)
$865,856 1% of his total

John Edwards (D)
$153,650 .5% of his total.

Pharma

Barack Obama (D) 0.3% of his TOTAL
$261,784

John Edwards (D) 0.05% of his total
$15,000

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3995573

[jackson_dem]

68. Only you would try to claim $162 million is the same as $38 million

[Occam Bandage]

71. But proportionally, it's very similar. The reason Edwards has less such money

is that he has less money, period.

[boricua79]

98. my question was, "where's Edwards"

as in, what happened to him.

You can't run a modern campaign in the United States, under these laws, without needing overwhelming financial advantage.

Change the laws, and then we can argue the merit of corporate funding.

[JackORoses]

38. there is a difference between getting money from corporations,

and getting money from the people who work at those corporations.

He is raising a million a day because he has hundreds of thousands of small donors.
His average donation is less than $100.
Not exactly Big Corporate Money.

[jackson_dem]

72. Corporate can't donate. Neither is getting money directly from corporations

They get it from executives, bundlers (i.e. the executive who gets the board to bundle $100k for a candidate), and in Hill's case lobbyists and pacs (less than 1% of her total), and in both candidate's cases the spouses of federal lobbyists, state lobbyists, and firms that employ federal lobbyists.

[JackORoses]

92. so your OP is incorrect. Obama is not getting any money from Corporations.

That won't stop you from saying it, huh?

So Hillary's the only one who takes money from PACs and Lobbyists?
Why don't you post a thread about that?

[Johnny__Motown]

75. Untrue. simply Untrue

If a waiter donates $50.00 to him he isn't taking money from the Restaurant Business.


If a bus driver donates $100.00 he isn't taking money from the Transportation Industry.

If a guy on the assembly line at GM makes a donation he isn't taking money from auto makers.




Lobbyists are the problem. you know... the people HILLARY TAKES MONEY FROM

[jackson_dem]

87. Obama has gotten over $200,000 from Exelon, a nuke company

Was it contributions from the janitor at Exelon that caused Obama to do Exelon's bidding and water down a bill to their liking? Janitor don't have $200,000 to give away...

[Perky]

80. show me a single contribrution from a coporation

[jackson_dem]

85. $0 in corporate contributions to Hillary, Obama, and every other candidate

They can't do it directly.

[Hawkeye-X]

89. So look at those who have maxed out their contributions

and like I mentioned earlier, Hillary has the most.

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

96. That means little. Look at the money raised

Obama is on pace for $162 million by the end of this month. Hillary, if she matches her January total, will have $126 million. That is a difference of $36 million. It isn't about maxed donors but raw totals.

[jeffrey_X]

95. Where is your link?

You look like an ass making those types of accusations with absolutely no proof to back it up.

[jackson_dem]

100. www.opensecrets.org

[MagickMuffin]

99. Here's a list of the FACTS

REAL ESTATE:

Hillary Clinton (D).......................$5,025,660

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..............$3,854,476

Mitt Romney (R).........................$3,836,598

*Barack Obama (D)......................$2,890,162




TOBACCO:

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)................$107,150

Hillary Clinton (D)..........................$45,800

Mitt Romney (R).............................$34,700

*Barack Obama (D).........................$15,352



TELEPHONES & ULITIES:

John McCain (R)............................$188,175

Hillary Clinton (D).........................$153,107

*Barack Obama (D).........................$103,214




SECURITIES & INVESTMENTS:

Hillary Clinton (D)........................$6,035,184

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)................$5,470,226

*Barack Obama (D)........................$5,462,981

Mitt Romney (R)...........................$4,351,692



RETIRED:

*Barack Obama (D)........................$7,233,172

Hillary Clinton (D)........................$6,075,227

Mitt Romney (R)...........................$5,152,020

John McCain (R)...........................$5,029,806



PHARMACEUTICALS & HEALTH PRODUCTS:

Hillary Clinton (D)........................$362,220

*Barack Obama (D).......................$342,015

Mitt Romney (R)..........................$321,526

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)...............$171,525

John McCain (R)............................$98,748



OIL & GAS:

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)...............$635,608

Mitt Romney (R)..........................$380,813

Hillary Clinton (D).......................$280,426

John McCain (R)..........................$231,160

*Barack Obama (D).......................$133,365



MISC HEALTH:

Hillary Clinton (D).......................$143,668

*Barack Obama (D).........................$83,806

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)................$54,550

Mitt Romney (R)...........................$50,975

John McCain (R)...........................$42,415



LOBBYIST:

Hillary Clinton (D).......................$764,142

John McCain (R)..........................$422,376

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..............$284,875

Mitt Romney (R).........................$258,675

*Barack Obama (D).......................$87,108



LAWYERS/LAW FIRMS:

Hillary Clinton (D)....................$12,452,460

*Barack Obama (D)......................$9,732,282

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R).............$4,204,521

John McCain (R)........................$2,557,661

Mitt Romney (R)........................$2,516,708



INSURANCE:

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R).................$802,295

Mitt Romney (R)............................$726,388

Hillary Clinton (D)........................$710,899

*Barack Obama (D)........................$501,339

John McCain (R)...........................$321,531



HOSPITALS & NURSING HOMES:

Hillary Clinton (D)........................$566,912

*Barack Obama (D)........................$494,263

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)................$232,000

Mitt Romney (R)...........................$204,519

John McCain (R)..........................$137,105



HEDGE FUNDS & PRIVATE EQUITY:

Hillary Clinton (D)..................$1,330,942

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..........$1,295,050

*Barack Obama (D)..................$1,156,071

Mitt Romney (R).......................$991,350

John McCain (R).......................$400,650



HEALTH SERVICES & HMO's:

Hillary Clinton (D).....................$353,431

*Barack Obama (D)....................$217,340

Mitt Romney (R).......................$153,450

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)...........$126,275

John McCain (R)......................$107,745



HEALTH PROFESSIONALS:

Hillary Clinton (D).................$2,361,665

*Barack Obama (D)..................$1,734,991

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..........$1,387,393

Mitt Romney (R).....................$1,195,511

John McCain (R).......................$720,198




EDUCATION:

*Barack Obama (D).................$2,917,902

Hillary Clinton (D).................$2,149,429

Mitt Romney (R)......................$665,809

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)...........$556,212

John McCain (R)......................$304,927




COMPUTERS & INTERNET:

Hillary Clinton (D)...............$1,370,344

*Barack Obama (D)...............$1,355,394

Mitt Romney (R)....................$666,577

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R).........$459,129

John McCain (R)....................$304,522



COMMERCIAL BANKS:

Hillary Clinton (D)................$1,155,577

*Barack Obama (D)................$1,037,082

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..........$768,968

Mitt Romney (R).....................$731,596

John McCain (R).....................$630,854



CASINOS & GAMBLING:

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)..........$197,550

John McCain (R).....................$106,170

Hillary Clinton (D)...................$97,520

*Barack Obama (D)...................$32,103



So, Obama came in first with Education, Retired. OOPS, facts are pesky little things.

I would have just put the link instead of putting this much effort into this post, but I have little faith DUer's would have bothered going to it.

[jackson_dem]

102. Let's add them up (and note these numbers are 2007 ones before Obama began raising $1 million a day)

And exclude education and retired since they aren't corporate.

Obama $25.4 million
Giulani $20 million
Romney $16.4 million

McCain doesn't even make the top beneficiary list for most categories. Giuliani and Romney were Obama's big competition.

[MagickMuffin]

112. And Clinton racked up MORE than anyone $33,209,957

I also didn't include education & retired. I noticed you didn't want to address that issue.

:rofl:

[Melinda]

104. jackson_dem joined DU on 1/10/2008-- the agenda is obvious

Please, don't feed.

[southlandshari]

108. Insinuating other posters are trolls

adds even less substance to political discourse than posting sophomoric and transparent attempts to discredit someone else's candidate.

IMHO.

[Melinda]

113. People with agendas are trolls, eh? Your analysis, not mine. But thanks for playing.

[southlandshari]

116. So your "don't feed" comment

was not a barely veiled reference to another poster as a troll?

:shrug:

[Melinda]

117. It was a direct reference to the OP having an anti-obama agenda

Had he not, he would have posted the accompanying information to the graph he posted.

:shrug:

[southlandshari]

119. You referred to his join date

What did that have to do with his message, whether anti-Obama or not?

[Melinda]

120. No shit.

I hope you're not being deliberately obtuse.

The OP joined DU right before the primaries, and the majority of all his posts are anti-Obama. To me, and countless others (one only need look at his posting history) his anti-obama agenda is transparent. Dollars to donuts, he will be gone from DU (along with the rest of those who joined with similar agendas, regardless their candidate) once we have a nominee. Christ on a crutch, sorry I can't seem to make it clear for you. :eyes:

And so toodles to you, this was my goodnight look-see, and I am gone till the next time... life's like that for some of us.

[jackson_dem]

122. This thread was a rejoinder to the Obamite attacks on Edwards today

A true Edwards supporter would know that... They are vilifying him for considering endorsing Hillary, the "corporate candidate". This shows what Edwards knows: Obame is as corporate as Hillary.

[Melinda]

127. Nawww, this thread was just more of the same ol' shit stirring.

I leave you with this; goodnight.

Two Politicians were exchanging ideas regarding the rewards for
public service.

"The reward which I most desire," said the First Politician, "is
the gratitude of my fellow-citizens."

"That would be very gratifying, no doubt," said the Second
Politician, "but, alas! in order to obtain it one has to retire
from politics."

For an instant they gazed upon each other with inexpressible
tenderness; then the First Politician murmured, "God's will be
done! Since we cannot hope for reward, let us be content with what
we have."

And lifting their right hands from the public treasury they swore
to be content.

[jackson_dem]

123. Thanks and she is lying. I joined the day after the Iowa caucus

I was motivate by Edwards' loss to enter the fray. Many other folks have joined during the primaries which is to be expected for a political website at the height of political interest among the public.

Obamites consistently use every tactic in the book to try to suffocate criticism of St. Obama, whether it is using lynch mobs to ban folks like P2BA (multiple Obamites openly threatened to have him banned several times), the tactic you just saw to scare away criticism of Obama's record, or by crying so loudly and so often that the rules have to be changed to shut them up.

[southlandshari]

130. :To be honest, your tone is no better than hers

I have no personal beef with you or her.

I'm just disgusted with the nasty tone and general refusal to discuss issues with any level of respect by supporters of all candidates in this forum right now.

I thought we were better than that.

[FrenchieCat]

115. Thank God you are limited to 3 threads without proof to back your shit up.....

per every 24 hours.

There is a God!

[jackson_dem]

124. www.opensecrets.org Read it some time

[leftofthedial]

121. God Bless Corpamerica

our privatized political system is a pathetic joke

like biting into a Big Mac and realizing there is no actual food in there.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

125. Because people have to disclose their employers and occupations

All you're telling us is Obama is getting more contributions than any other candidate. He's doing it mostly in small donations by regular people.

[yeswecan08]

126. Corporate executives know a winner when they see one - and it is not Hillary Clinton

[RestoreGore]

128. Russell Simmons Speaks Truth About Obama...

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=204&Itemid=34

For me it isn't even that he is taking corporate money now that this is pointed out, because he and Clinton are the TOP TWO. It is the fact that he is lying about it and his supporters defend that. Sounds a lot like another fraud we had for eight years whose supporters defended everything he did without question. Not good.

[RestoreGore]

129. And like I stated, the TOP TWO

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

And according to this, Clinton's is mostly "individual" donations too and their records are just about the same, only Clinton seems closer to full disclosure than Obama.