Hillary's campaign needs to have some "frank discussions" this evening

[Joe the Revelator]

A la Mitt Rommney. She's facing a nearly impossible task (winning by 60% in the rest of the primarys) and the party needs to unite against McCain.

[Herman Munster]

1. you are forgetting puerto rico

winner take all 59 delegates and they are all hillary's

[Hawkeye-X]

5. Latinos are favoring Obama right now.

Not all Hillary's. 59 delegates is nothing.

[joshcryer]

20. 59 delegates is actually a lot in a tight race. However, 60% is about right, she needs to keep Obama

...from getting any more large numbers of delegates in TX, OH, and PH or she should give up.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. So many things wrong with this post

A. Its not winner take all

B. They aren't all Hillarys. Look at the U.S.V.I.

[Colobo]

13. I hope we don't have to wait until June... our party would suffer.

[Renew Deal]

16. Obama has won all the territiories so far

except maybe 1 of them. He won VI and Guam.

[stahbrett]

25. Wait - is Puerto Rico the new Clinton firewall?

:)

[JBoy]

32. You forgot Puerto Rico!!!

[Cassandra]

33. And Poland.

We can't forget Poland. The white, ethnic vote and all.

[rodeodance]

37. i have not kept tract--I do hope your are right

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. She needs to sack that slimeball Mark Penn.

How many good candidates have been dragged down by crappy consultants like him and Bob Shrum and all those other overpaid snake oil salesmen?

[Cooley Hurd]

7. So true...

If she sheds 300 lbs (aka Penn), she would do better in the long run...;)

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Too little too late for that idea.

[jgraz]

12. Bad strategy. Would you want to call attention to such a colossal waste of money?

6 million dollars for the crappiest advice imaginable. That's embarrassing.

[TheWraith]

23. Better than continuing to pay for and use the advice.

I say again: FUCK MARK PENN, and anyone else who DEFENDS BLACKWATER.

[AngryAmish]

26. she paid him six million?

[jgraz]

29. She's paid him 4.3 mil. She owes him another 1.5

[AngryAmish]

35. Someone that stupid should not be president

[Cooley Hurd]

3. As a Senator Obama supporter...

...there's a few more primaries to go before we should be having these discussions.

[jgraz]

4. Really? 60%?? Where did you see that?

I don't doubt you, I'd just like to take a look for myself.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Chuck Todd on MSNBC

[jgraz]

19. That's some pretty tough math to overcome

[joshcryer]

22. I said this about a week ago, you don't remember trashing up my thread?

:shrug:

[jgraz]

46. Moi? Trash a thread?

O8)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. If You Think She Should Drop Out At This Point. You're Either Extremely Politically Naive, Or Just

simply insane.

[jgraz]

14. Dude, you're lucky they don't hand out anti-hearts

:P

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Its time to unite the party against McCain. She can no longer win without Super Delegates per her ..

own aides. The party is over, lets get on with the GE.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. So Which Is It?

Extremely politically naive, or just simply insane?

[Joe the Revelator]

18. You tell me, why can't you understand simple political truths..

like the fact that Hillary can no longer win the nomination without some unprecedented miracle.

[joshcryer]

24. It's only a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks can't hurt.

[KAZ]

21. Then count me as insane, OMC.

The money just disappeared tonight. Actually, it went away 2 weeks ago. They're not the Romney's, ya know. That being said, it will hurt to see her go.

She needs WI.! Why is she in TX?

[jgraz]

34. Yeah, I gotta jump on the insane train

The more I think about it, I don't see how she pulls this out barring some shocking development.

[KAZ]

39. It would take a "ground shaking" development. It kind of gets

me mad though. It's very important to me, to one day see a woman lead this country. Hill had a chance, and I don't want to think that some outdated political advice, and the enormity of Obama, means that I have to wait another 50 years. Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly in Baraks's corner, but it kind of feels like my cup "rannith" over this cycle.

[Colobo]

10. I agree. I hope she does.

[joshcryer]

27. The only tough decision she needs to make is paying millions out to campaigners on the ground.

And getting people to actually get motivated to get out the vote for her on March 5th.

[Cassandra]

28. That may mean two parties united against McCain.

;-)

[Va Lefty]

30. I don't have a problem with Hillary staying in...

as long as she and her surrogates don't start slinging mud

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Oh, isn't this sweet.

An Obama supporter/Clinton hater giving Hillary's campaign advice. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

38. gee, do yah there is a chance he could be objective? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AHA

[rodeodance]

36. hey---its the PRIMARY SEASON--GOT THAT???

[jgraz]

40. Be vewwy quiet. I'm hunting pwimawies.

[Joe the Revelator]

41. Whats you're point pup? It's mathmatically impossible for her to win without the supers all breaking

for her. The primary season is all but over. Got that?

[TexasObserver]

42. No one in her campaign wants to be the one to tell her it's over.

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[karynnj]

44. This is especially true if the MSNBC comments are true

They are saying that the HRC goal is to keep the gap in pledged delegates to less than the low double digits and make up the difference with superdelegates - the idea being that if the gap is small enough it won't be a problem.

I think that people will see it as not a fair race, if the winner of the pledged votes doesn't win. If this is their best case scenario, they should re-think it for the good of the country. They started with every advantage - to again use favors to BC to win to win after really loosing puts it into banana republic range.

I think the claim that they are not competing in Wisconsin is silly - especially when Chelsea Clinton is there and I think Bill Clinton going there. It is a race and she is in it - even if she does less than she can. I would guess that after March 4, unless something unexpected occurs - she should concede. Oddly, that would be almost the same timing as in 2004, when the race started later and was far less a rollercoaster.

[musicblind]

45. After March 4th, if she loses big, then she should consider throwing in the towel. IF NOT

then by mid march Dean will step in and broker a deal between the two of them. That deal would surely end with the person possessing the most pledged delegates as the Presidential Nominee and some consolation prize for the runner up.

We will have to wait and see.

But, yes, if she dogs it after Ohio and Texas weigh in then, barring something drastic, she should concede. I think most Hillary supporters will agree with me.

Though I am hoping, deep inside, that she somehow wows us with the turn out in Texas and Ohio... however unlikely that may be to actually happen :(

I wish my states primary was sooner. I would like the opportunity to actually VOTE for her before she is out of the race. Alas, it may not be meant to be.