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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:49 PM
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Obama supporters, your candidates does seem to be winning so why
don't you start thinking about what the real platform will be from day 1.

Whenever I ask this, all I get is, something very general and vague or

"Open government"
Well, open government is more like the attribute to the platform.
There are way too many things to talk about other than how 'open' is a government should be.

Bush's secrecy have been a big issue; however it was not the biggest problem.
In fact, everything else, from FEMA, poverty, economy, health care, education, social security,environment, and oh Iraq war...

Good luck to you and good luck for our country since we need them.

I gave up on talking about Hillary's platform since it does not matter to Obama supporter.
She is so evil. So calculating.

Good luck to you.

Hertopos
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:51 PM
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1. I gave up on talking about Obama's platform since it does not matter to Hillary supporter.
It's all right here:
http://www.barackobama.com
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:01 PM
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11. See that's Obama supporter's problem
Typical Viral marketers

Only links.

Does not know anything.

Do you particulary care about any of his policy?

If I asked the same question to either Hillary or Edwards supporter, they answers instead of giving us a link.

It's written/
Someone written for Obama.
He does not need to be hand on since he inspires.
His wife keep telling him 'don't talk about details, just feel it'.

Well, I was a little shocked Obama actually does not written his beautiful speech.
Oh, it was written by JFK's speech writer.

God, I am afraid of Day 1.

For me, it's lose lose situation. Like, Obama or repub?

I hope Obama won't do irreversible damage in 4 years.
If he does not act quickly and efficiently work with certain key issues, well he can wreck this country and the earth...

Just keep giving or circulating link won't solve any real problem.

Heropos
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:40 PM
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22. If I responded to every post
from someone pretending that Obama has no details in his platform, I'd be typing all day. I can't even count the number of posts I have read claiming the same thing you are, and when someone provides a link that has all the information you would need, you discount that as well. This only shows that you are not really interested in Obama's platform, but only in trying to project the idea that he doesn't have one.

Why don't you explain Clinton's or Edwards' platform to me?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:52 PM
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2. Oh, I thought you were going to ask why they didn't stop piling on
and gloating!


:rofl:


You fooled me!
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:53 PM
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3. Yes, yes
"Day one"
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:53 PM
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4. Yes, yes
"Day one"
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:53 PM
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5. dupe
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:59 PM by Madam Mossfern
sorry
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:53 PM
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6. Trot yourself over to Mr. Obama's website and READ his
positions and plans. I get so sick of this type of post because the people who write them don't give a fig about what Obama has to say. Go there and read. Stop being a lazy citizen.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:55 PM
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7. more silly broad brush crap.
Obama has said that he will withdraw the troops in 16 months, and will not allow permanent U.S bases in Iraq. He will immediately sign into law the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act which will undoubtedly be passed by the new Congress. He will work on passing health care legislation and reforming NCLB. He will champion legislation for a minimum wage fixed to to the price of living. He has stated that climate change and alternative energy will be priorities.

It's rank bullshit that Obama supporters don't talk about his policies. I've done so repeatedly. Now carry on with your self-pity party.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:59 PM
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8. Well, lookie here! It's a 65-page booklet about Obama's policies all ready for you
to download and read at your leisure:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues /

Now click the link that's called "The Blueprint for Change: Obama's Plan for America"

(WARNING. IT'S IN PDF FORMAT, so make sure you have Adobe's Reader which is a free download)

Easy peasy, no?
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:08 PM
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13. Look, that is Obama supporter's problem
You got your candidate.
He win.

That's the only beginning.
He is not talking about his policy.
you just give links.
Why can you say anything about your candidate policy.

Why can't you.

What do you care?
Why can you high light your candidate policy.

Hertopos
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:16 PM
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17. This is a lose-lose proposition.
If we give you a link, you say we don't know what the platform is.

If we cut and paste the platform, you'll say we don't understand it.

If we re-word the platform, you'll say we're misinterpreting it.


It's like Obama said last night on 60 Minutes; if he gives an inspiring speech, people accuse him of not having the details. He himself referred people to the Web Site.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:17 PM
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18. Yep. You are 100% correct. NT
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:33 PM
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20. I couldn't have said it any better, Hedgie. Great post.
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:12 PM
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15. Look, that is Obama supporter's problem
You got your candidate.
He win.

That's the only beginning.
He is not talking about his policy.
you just give links.
Why can you say anything about your candidate policy.

Why can't you.

What do you care?
Why can you high light your candidate policy.

Hertopos
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:13 PM
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16. Look, that is Obama supporter's problem
You got your candidate.
He win.

That's the only beginning.
He is not talking about his policy.
you just give links.
Why can you say anything about your candidate policy.

Why can't you.

What do you care?
Why can you high light your candidate policy.

Hertopos
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:59 PM
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9. Yes, she is evil! Yes, she is calculating! That is two things we agree on!
I could go on and on! Funny, I did not feel this way until Bill started injecting race into the primary and Hillary allowed him to do it. She never said it was not acceptable until the South Carolina primary. She thought it was working so she let him go on and on. I won't support a person that wants to WIN at all costs! It is fine to challenge your competitor based on policy but unacceptable to attack them personally (and deliberately lie and mislead).
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:01 PM
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10. Yes, she is evil! Yes, she is calculating! That is two things we agree on!
I could go on and on! Funny, I did not feel this way until Bill started injecting race into the primary and Hillary allowed him to do it. She never said it was not acceptable until the South Carolina primary. She thought it was working so she let him go on and on. I won't support a person that wants to WIN at all costs! It is fine to challenge your competitor based on policy but unacceptable to attack them personally (and deliberately lie and mislead).
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:01 PM
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12. Yes, she is evil! Yes, she is calculating! That is two things we agree on!
I could go on and on! Funny, I did not feel this way until Bill started injecting race into the primary and Hillary allowed him to do it. She never said it was not acceptable until the South Carolina primary. She thought it was working so she let him go on and on. I won't support a person that wants to WIN at all costs! It is fine to challenge your competitor based on policy but unacceptable to attack them personally (and deliberately lie and mislead).
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:11 PM
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14. Vague?
http://obama.3cdn.net/780e0e91ccb6cdbf6e_6udymvin7.pdf

Barack Obamas comprehensive technology and innovation plan will:

Ensure the full and free exchange of information among Americans through an open Internet and
diverse media outlets.
Create a transparent and connected democracy.

Encourage the deployment of a modern communications infrastructure.
Employ technology and innovation to solve our nations most pressing problems, including reducing
the costs of health care, encouraging the development of new clean energy sources, and improving
public safety.
Improve Americas competitiveness.




http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2369

Today, Obama is throwing down the gauntlet on internet freedom, telecom lobbyists, and on opening up government in general to the public. It's some genuinely radical stuff, and it includes the use of blogs, wikis, and openness in government hearings. Significantly, Larry Lessig has endorsed Obama's platform.

----

And then of course there is spectrum and net neutrality. Both Edwards and Obama have made it clear they will break the power of the wireless gatekeepers, the telecom lobbyists who gut our laws, and the Comcast traffic shaping tyrants. Clinton, though, has been a noted absence in the debate about spectrum, mumbling about it incoherently at Yearlykos, and her plan for broadband was written by the telcos and doesn't include net neutrality. She still hasn't come out clearly on retroactive immunity, as her campaign's ties to telecom lobbyists are not trivial, and it looks from her possible FCC choices that her administration would be a continuation of the Clinton-Bush years of media and telecom deregulation.



There isn't much to be vague about. Which candidate discloses their donor information and which doesn't? Which candidate released their income tax returns and which won't? Which candidate secretly loaned her campaign money only disclosing the fact after the Super Tuesday elections?

You really think folks are being vague when they point out the difference between Obama and Clinton regarding their stances on open government?
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Adams Wulff Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:26 PM
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19. Obama on foreign policy
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/bara...


---snip---

Today, we are again called to provide visionary leadership. This century's threats are at least as dangerous as and in some ways more complex than those we have confronted in the past. They come from weapons that can kill on a mass scale and from global terrorists who respond to alienation or perceived injustice with murderous nihilism. They come from rogue states allied to terrorists and from rising powers that could challenge both America and the international foundation of liberal democracy. They come from weak states that cannot control their territory or provide for their people. And they come from a warming planet that will spur new diseases, spawn more devastating natural disasters, and catalyze deadly conflicts.

To recognize the number and complexity of these threats is not to give way to pessimism. Rather, it is a call to action. These threats demand a new vision of leadership in the twenty-first century -- a vision that draws from the past but is not bound by outdated thinking. The Bush administration responded to the unconventional attacks of 9/11 with conventional thinking of the past, largely viewing problems as state-based and principally amenable to military solutions. It was this tragically misguided view that led us into a war in Iraq that never should have been authorized and never should have been waged. In the wake of Iraq and Abu Ghraib, the world has lost trust in our purposes and our principles.

---snip---

To renew American leadership in the world, we must first bring the Iraq war to a responsible end and refocus our attention on the broader Middle East. Iraq was a diversion from the fight against the terrorists who struck us on 9/11, and incompetent prosecution of the war by America's civilian leaders compounded the strategic blunder of choosing to wage it in the first place. We have now lost over 3,300 American lives, and thousands more suffer wounds both seen and unseen.

---snip---

At the same time, we must launch a comprehensive regional and international diplomatic initiative to help broker an end to the civil war in Iraq, prevent its spread, and limit the suffering of the Iraqi people. To gain credibility in this effort, we must make clear that we seek no permanent bases in Iraq. We should leave behind only a minimal over-the-horizon military force in the region to protect American personnel and facilities, continue training Iraqi security forces, and root out al Qaeda.


There's another 7 pages of Obama's foreign policy outlined at the link above.

"Empty suit" my ass.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:34 PM
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21. If you go to his website, it is all very detailed.
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