A possible solution to Fl/MI with some info supplied by dbackjohn

[Perky]

From Dbackjohn

58 delegates is what the fight is over. 58.

Michigan:
Clinton: 74
Uncommited: 54

Clinton advantage: 20

You would have to assume that the 54 uncommitted will break for Obama. After all, if they had wanted Hillary, they would have voted for her.

Florida
Clinton: 105
Obama: 67
Edwards: 13
Clinton has an advantage over Obama of 38, with 13 that could swing either way.

Here is a possible solution

Obama supporters are rightfully concerned about the rules being enforced rathr than changed at the last minute.

Clinto supporters argue that regardless of the rules, not including these delegations is untimatel disenfranchiseing. Both are valid positions and there is no easy way to reconcile the competing self interest if the nominee hingees on how these votes shake out.


I don't think they should be seated and allowed to vote until all the other delegates have voted and only if they are all uncommitted.

Ultimately I do not want to deny them the right to vote....but there should be some penalty for their stubbornness and ultimately no candidate should be penalized or benefit from their inclusion.


If after everyone else has voted and they could still conceivably have an impact. Their vote should be counted. But I think you have to have them come in as an uncommitted bloc. If their votes changes the majority however, I think you have to go to a second ballot where everybody is a free agent.






I woould like to avoid a flame ware on this thread if at all possible

[cloudythescribbler]

1. If Obama has most but NOT have a majority, then a new primary in MI & poss a caucus in FL would ...

make the most sense in my view. Since the state of Florida already defied the Democratic national party and had a primary, including the names of all the candidates, they probably would be either barred or simply unwilling to hold another one. MI too probably. But the Democratic Party ITSELF could organize caucuses for the purpose of selecting ITS OWN delegates.

Frankly, if Obama has a CLEAR lead in terms of PLEDGED delegates and raw votes, I think that the Super Delegates would be utterly perverse not to rally behind him (and the same thing for Hillary if somehow she were to do so also).

[Pathwalker]

2. I talked to someone at Michigan Democratic Party HG. earlier.

They are opposing any new caucus or primary. They don't have the funds, and do not want a caucus, because they feel it is less "democratic" than a primary. They have no plans for either, and no desire to approve either one. Nothing will happen until the State Convention - at the earliest. They are fully aware of what's going on, and are quite unhappy with the efforts for do-over.

[Perky]

3. I do not think a do over make sense and it certainly is cost prohibitive

No flame in this thread please... i AM SEARCHING FOR COMPROMISE APPROACHES.