OK, I may be slow, but I get it. You've had your fun.

[Sapphocrat]

The "I'm voting for Obama because he's sexy / he's cool / I want a rock star" threads are all a joke -- from, I expect The Site That Shall Not Be Named.

I refuse to believe so many people -- especially young people, who I grant are much quicker on the uptake than I am, being so well informed by the Internet their entire lives -- could possibly be so dense and so shallow.

So, from now on, I will take all those "You don't get it, because you're OLD / WHITE / STUPID / whatever" posts for exactly what they are: a really bad joke at the expense of us Hillary supporters.

Well done. You really made fools out of us, sucking us into this idiocy.

As for you Obama supporters who don't belong to the troll fellowship that's making you all look like morons, I suggest that if you can't rein them in, you hunt them down and expose them, before the rest of the world lumps you in with them.

The MSM has already set its sights on the "cult label"; if you want to stem the tide before it sweeps you way too, you'd best show these trolls up, ASAP.

It ain't my job, kids. It's up to you.

[liberal N proud]

1. Thank you

[Sapphocrat]

4. No sweat, lNp.

My silly willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt just made me take a little longer to figure it out.

[susankh4]

184. I feel the same way....

for so many years I hoped that young people would get involved in the political process. I saw it as a boon for the Dem. party.

I raised my own three children to be invloved. They all are. Very much so.

But, the ageism surrounding this Obama cult is really discouraging. I really believe many of these folks would vote for ANYONE who looks young and appears in rap videos. There is little evidence of them weighing the issues.

As someone who has waited my whole life to see real progress toward the ideals of the democratic party made... I feel this election being stolen out from under me. And I am not sure, yet, who the mastermind stealing it is. It will come out sooner or later, I guess.

I am hanging in there. Hoping for a miracle...... demanding that Ms. Clinton be on the ticket, even if it is as VP. I want to know I am sending someone to DC that can stand the heat, and will fight for me. For the rights of my gay son. For universal health care. For the expansion of medicaid and the protection of medicare.

I want to know that my country is safe, even as we do make progress on the homefront. Gen. Wesley Clark has convinced me that Senator Clinton is the one who can do this.....

But, alas, we are about to elect a junior senator who talks pretty. And despite his enormous potential... Senator Obama has simply not demnstrated the kind of leadership we need in these complex times. Voting "present" doesn't count in my book. Making speeches about the Iraq war..... nope, not enough.

I am beginning to feel like giving up.

[Sapphocrat]

5. No sweat, lNp.

My silly willingness to give everyone the benefit of the doubt just made me take a little longer to figure it out.

[Gloria]

133. Ditto!!

[Adelante]

2. Yet another lecture for the "kids"

Thanks, Mom

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. They ain't kiddin' when they say "GOMAMA"

Finger-wagging as an art form.

[Sapphocrat]

92. You should talk.

(Old-)Ageism is the least of your offenses lately.

[NMMNG]

191. Don't you have some widows to abuse?

[GalleryGod]

24. ROFLMAO, Wes!

For Her!

All the way to Denver...

[ClericJohnPreston]

54. You see

your first mistake was giving any Obamites the benefit of the doubt. Extend a hand, in this case a "metaphorical excuse", and the trolls you suspect are children, are really well respected and fully complicit, elements of orthodox Obamites on this site. Some of the worst offenders are littering your post above mine, such as Wes Dem, Alcibiades_Mystery and the hyperbolic, so-called Political Science Professor ( what I would have been if I didn't get my legal degree ), Gallery God.

These people are beyond hope. Period. They are true believers, zealots all the way!

[Bongo Prophet]

166. You keep adding to the rancor, and keep trying to convince us to hate each other. Why is that?

There will always be some who never quite get it.
But the name calling does. not. help.

You have a legal degree. Great.
I should assume therefore that you have a very quick and agile mind.
I will further assume, for the moment, that you want dems to win the general.

You know that a committed, activist base brings in a lot of votes, and that group solidarity is a great motivator in getting the activists out.
Why would you work SO HARD to alienate that base?

It makes no sense to me.
Can you explain why you have attacked long time DUers so relentlessly in the few weeks you have been here?
Why you would constantly call them names, and try to encourage others to shun them?
What the hell is up with a great legal mind such as yours, engaging in such puerile behavior?
We may need them in the general, and you work against that.
I prefer, as the OP suggests, that we try to change minds and attitudes, not drive wedges.
Driving wedges is what the trolls do.

there is only ONE way this makes sense to me, but I really want to give you benefit of the doubt.
You next answer may say a lot.

[Hekate]

180. Alert his butt. I've got whoever he is on Iggy. nt

[Bongo Prophet]

182. i try to ignore no one. funny, the few that I have got tombstoned before long anyway.

Maybe that means I have a nose for that, like a netroots Van Helsing.

I try to give people a chance at redemption.
This is #2

and like the apple commercial said...sometimes...
"there is no number 3"

[Sapphocrat]

91. Anytime, kid.

Funny how the real kids take "kid" as an insult, but those of us old fogies who could practically kiss a cocktail server for carding us "get" it.

[liberal N proud]

3. Thank you

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. The idiots "over there" have been on a tear as of late.

They're probably pissed off because Cynthia McKinney isn't going to be our nominee because invisible jewish elves control the voting machines and the media with mind control earthquake-inducing lasers.

[MagickMuffin]

188. So, you think election fraud is an illusion

Maybe you need a reality check. Cynthia McKinney did experience election fraud. Why you would make some underhanded joke about tells me everything I need to know about you.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

189. No, Cynthia McKinney lost the runoff...

...due to a combination of redistricting and the fact that she's a whackjob. Claiming election fraud with no evidence in a case where a clearly troubled candidate who was predicted to lose did in fact lose is silly. But it's exactly what we've come to expect from McKinney and her supporters.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Interesting...

[golddigger]

8. K&R...n/t

[golddigger]

9. Dupe, self delete.

[calico1]

11. Good post.

I have to keep reminding myself that a lot of Obama supporters are smart, thinking, mature people that just support a different candidate than I do. With all the threads and posts like the ones you mention it is sometimes hard to do, so I must keep saying to myself they are not all like that.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. I keep trying to tell myself that,

but DU has turned into anarchy because of them.

[Bongo Prophet]

174. I like the irony of your anarchy avatar and complaining of DU turning into anarchy.

it made me laugh, and I needed that.

not all anarchies are created equal, that's for sure!

[susankh4]

185. I am trying...

to stay positive as well.

I do know smart people who support this candidate. Hell, *I* was one of them! I've wanted a Clinton/Obama ticket since 2004.

I am just disappointed to see the political process take this turn, toward charisma over knowledge. I shoulda known, I guess. I shoulda seen it coming.....

[LostinVA]

12. k&r

[LostinVA]

13. k&r

[Buzz Clik]

14. Anyone taking seriously posts or threads in GD-P has lost their way.

This forum has become an institution for those with no perspective, and that will not be changing soon.

[Sapphocrat]

69. I kick myself for expecting it to be a temporary situation.

You've been here almost as long as I have, Buzz -- you remember when DU consisted of A) substantive posts on real issues, and B) substantive replies to the OP.

Whatever this has turned into, it sure isn't DU anymore.

[Bongo Prophet]

176. I hope you are wrong - we can do better, though trolls and jerks will always be among us.

The admin changes should help the spam posting a little, and make disrupters have to work a bit more.

Even a 30-50% reduction would make this place better.
Have you noticed the increase in more thoughtful posts, or several pleas for better behavior in the last 2-3 weeks?

I have, after months of monitoring and diplomatic efforts -- some traction.
Trends don't happen by themselves.

Every clothing store doesn't decide on the same set of colors for the spring line by accident.
Keep watching, and maybe make some moves yourself, or get a small group of DU buddies to play whack-a-troll.
I would gladly read some of your longer posts, Buzz Clik.

[Buzz Clik]

15. Anyone taking seriously posts or threads in GD-P has lost their way.

This forum has become an institution for those with no perspective, and that will not be changing soon.

[Buzz Clik]

16. Anyone taking seriously posts or threads in GD-P has lost their way.

This forum has become an institution for those with no perspective, and that will not be changing soon.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Good gawd.

According to the messages popping up, none of these posted.

And now it's too late to delete the dupes.

[intheflow]

100. There was a glitch in the system this morning.

Yours are not the only post in triplicate today by any means. Thankfully, it's fixed now.

[GalleryGod]

26. I think you have a "sticky key" ???

For HER !!

[DemBones DemBones]

17. You know, all this

"Boomers need to get out of the way" is pretty damn funny since Obama himself is a Boomer.

Obooma

[theHandpuppet]

18. Here's another funny...

All the folks bitching and moaning about being tired of "political royalty" and wanting to shed the country of a few families wielding political power generation after generation sure didn't seem to mind when a few of those Kennedys came out to endorse Obama. There's change for ya!

(And I have great respect for Ted myself.)

[DemBones DemBones]

21. Good point! Not to mention that

it is totally unfair to compare the possibility of Hillary Rodham Clinton becoming president to the Bush father-son dynasty. Hillary Rodham is only related to Bill Clinton by marriage, after all, and was forced by political reality to start using his name when he was governor of Arkansas. Bill Clinton did not raise Hillary Rodham, as Poppy and Bar raised W.

To say that a woman doesn't deserve to be president because she happened to marry a man who became president earlier is to deny Hillary Rodham her autonomy as a human being.

Bill has said he thought she ought to run for office earlier but she would have had no chance. Many of us remember what happened to Geraldine Ferraro and Shirley Chisholm and you can be sure that Hillary knows it even more strongly and learned from it.

It is sad to see the always beneath the surface sexism and ageism at DU ballooning out in support of a younger man.

[Straight Shooter]

23. I have been raising the point of the blood vs. marriage dynasty issue, also.

Followed by absolutely no comment from those against it. I was whispering into a howling storm of outrage against Hillary.

In addition, why should Democrats be the one to break the chain? It always takes right wingers longer to notice a pattern. If we elect Hillary, it may actually dawn on them that there is a continuum of familial relationship in our presidency. If we abandon her on the premise of shunning dynasty, they will have absolutely no problem electing another bush (and there's a very charismatic one in their bunch right now), because we will have cleared the slate for them and made it all right.

The Democrats will take the high road by breaking the chain, and we will be punished for our "good deed."

[DemBones DemBones]

28. Good. I hadn't seen it raised before, have been MIA lately,

tired of the anarchy here.

Democrats ought to be saying this a lot: it is unfair to penalize someone because their spouse formerly held public office. Especially when the spouse being discussed is a woman.

Historically, women have had to follow their husbands in getting elected and for most of the twentieth century, the only way women got into Congress, either House or Senate, was by the death of their husband. Governors traditionally offered the office to the widow when a man died in office. Some went on to be re-elected on their own merits.

I think that some people here would be arguing against Eleanor Roosevelt if she were alive. Some men are just threatened by strong women. Previously, I thought those men were all conservatives. . .

[theHandpuppet]

32. There have been some unbelievably vile, sexist posts on GD lately

It's been driving me nuts. The worst one this morning questioned whether Hillary was a real woman, whether she was taking steroids, said that no one would want her as a mother, etc etc.

Oh no -- misogyny is not exclusive to the conservative crowd.

[LostinVA]

46. My new, personal "favorite"

"Misspelling" Clinton as "Cliton." It's oh -- so funny.

[avrdream]

119. Hadn't seen that one.

See how they make it all about sex? Guess Barack isn't hot enough for them.

To the OP: agree completely with you but I have been slogging along, trying to put in a few intellectual points. Unfortunately, threads I support seem to drop off pretty damned fast. Thanks for your good points.

[NMMNG]

105. Let that be a lesson for you

They'll turn on you like rabid dogs and use every vile trick in the book (including RW memes) if it helps their dear Obama.

[Bongo Prophet]

173. This is well put, and much shorter than I could have done it.

This was an "issue" before it got adopted by many Obama supporters - I guess it is to be expected that those who felt that way would only have one place to go, once Edwards suspended. The Obama supporters for whom that is not an issue, or low on a list of concerns, would not be included in this, of course.
(note: I almost said "dropped out" instead of suspended, but changed to not offend Edwards supporters. ya gotta be the change ya want to happen!)

The age thing is something that pops up a lot as well, and both younger and older folks than I got really caught up in it.
Outside of job and housing discrimination, where it is a real pressing issue, I see that as either a childish diversion, OR...
(dons tinfoil, but at a jaunty angle)...yet another attempt at divide and conquer.

Who benefits by dividing old and young, by the resentment of paying social security while thinking you will never get yours?

But I must set that aside for now.

Good post, DBDB.

[NMMNG]

58. Indeed

The cognitive dissonance must be frying their brains. They hate boomers but love Obama and Ted Kennedy. They hate "entitlement" but think but think they're supposed to be given the nation to run by virtue of their age group--and anybody who doesn't get out of the way will be shoved. They whine about ageism then turn around and engage in it against others. Etc, etc.

[Gloria]

134. Yeah, the "character" bit made me laugh....JFK was womanizing

all over the place and his bio said his behavior was "risky" re: the mob connections of his girlfrind; Bobby wasn't faithful....Caroline talking about character made me think they're all just trying to rev up their family myth again...

[Raejeanowl]

153. More Than A Touch Of Irony There

Don't you think? Represents everything they claim to despise and want to preclude from happening again, but oh so handy for an endorsement.

[BigBearJohn]

169. tee hee heeh "Obooomer"

[BigBearJohn]

170. tee hee heeh "Obooomer"

[BigBearJohn]

171. .

[BigBearJohn]

172. dupe

[Cameron27]

20. Who in their right mind

admits that over 90% of their support of Obama stems from his good looks? and starts a thread about it? It makes your brain hurt to read this shit.

[GalleryGod]

25. Speaking for myself...

All the way to Den-ver!

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge ,
GG

[ClericJohnPreston]

56. You're totally

off your rocker. What school would hire you as a poli sci prof? Some Community College perhaps?

You so graciously prove that the OP is wrong to extend a hand to your zealotry ilk. You define the TYPICAL Obama supporter, not the exception.

Drink a little too much coffee, or forget to take your lithium today? Better watch that manic streak....

[NMMNG]

61. I see you're replying to "Ignored"

Given the content of your reply "Ignored" was ranting with the typical rabid (logical content free) fervor that caused me to put them on Ignore in the first place.

Excellent rebuttal, BTW.

[Buzz Clik]

27. Nobody? Did that happen here?

[NMMNG]

63. Don't just read the OP, read the whole thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Especially the part where she says that his looks are 97% of why she's voting for him.

[enough already]

29. Let me guess...you walked 10 miles to school every day...in the snow....uphill both ways.

If anyone in the Democratic party is part of a 'cult', it is the lemmings who can somehow support the candidate of war and Wal-Mart.

[TexasObserver]

30. Oh, but they do like to dress it up as outrage, OUTRAGE, I tell You!

More of the same from the Crying Game.

[NashVegas]

33. 1600 Posts In Less Than Two Weeks - WOW

How'd you do it?

[nonconformist]

83. Good God.

Nice catch.

[NashVegas]

89. So Far

Over 60 today, alone. And actually, less than two weeks.

[Donnachaidh]

115. think someone is getting ten cents a post perhaps?

That seems to be the brag rate for some of the more rabid freep sites. 1600 in less than two weeks is a four letter word that begins with an *S*

[LostinVA]

34. What do you mean by the "Crying Game"?

Especially having the term capitalized?

[terrya]

35. Nevermind

Not worth it.

[LostinVA]

37. ?????

[terrya]

39. .

I made a snarky observation about the person who posted that "Crying Game" comment. He/she isn't worth it. That's what the edit was about.

[TexasObserver]

40. How about a "Bitter Tears" reference? INXS tune that seems appropriate.

Especially the analogy of the Clinton Campaign to the untimely death of the lead singer of INXS.

[racaulk]

53. .

[NashVegas]

43. I Think It's a Campaign Staffer

Or someone otherwise directly involved in organizing, who's purposefully using DU. I think the admins should charge them for advertising, frankly.

[okasha]

138. Ah, yes.

The sophomore who claims he worked on Ann Richards' 1982 campaign.

Apparently he's failing math, among other subjects.

[racaulk]

51. I'm with you, I don't think that was accidental.

A tongue-in-cheek transphobic jab, if you ask me.

I've seen this guy post a whole bunch of jokes about crying when talking about Clinton. No substance, just cheap insults. He's a one trick pony.

This is the same guy that put me on ignore last week for using the "eyes" smiley. No doubt he has you on ignore too, which is why you're not getting an answer.

[LostinVA]

57. Ah -- you're right

The "eyes" thing.



Yup, not at all accidential, imo.

[NMMNG]

129. Probably nobody is getting an answer

Because the poster is just being a complete jerk and hurting people for the fun of it rather than trying to engage in actual discourse. That seems to be par for the course here lately.

[Sapphocrat]

108. I can't see the post you're replying to...

...but a "Crying Game" reference tells me a lot. Jesus.

[LostinVA]

123. Yeah, it's pretty obvious your user name and avatar

are being mocked.

See what happens when you become one of "them" (ie HRC supporter)? You're demonized, and ANY insult against you is fair game. It's been an eye-opener for me.

[Sapphocrat]

124. Good Lord.

I've heard lots of dumb remarks about my username before -- but for someone to actually mock a picture of a doomed homosexual prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp...?!

[LostinVA]

126. You're apparently as weird and funny as Dill in the "Crying Game"

[Sapphocrat]

127. I only hope multiple people -- onn both sides -- have alerted on that.

The hackles on my neck are way up for our trans friends who were used to bash me.

Disgusting.

But, I guess, a perfect illustration of my OP.

[LostinVA]

128. Well

I did, hours ago.

[TankLV]

140. My mouth is agape - I just alerted on them...

astounding...

[racaulk]

193. I alerted also, Sapphocrat.

Disgusting.

[susankh4]

186. I just think they don't get it....

and, again, I feel very sad right now. That our opportunity to make real progress this next 8 years is being usurped by ... who knows who?

Who *is* behind this cult of the MSM?

[Arugula Latte]

31. ...and get off her lawn!

Damn kids!

No respect for entrenched Bush-appeasing pro-IWR establishment candidates these days, I tell ya!

[TexasObserver]

41. "Don't trust anyone over 30!!" That's what these Hill fans said 40 years ago.

Irony is such a bitch!!

[readmoreoften]

50. Just because Obama despises Baby Boomers doesn't mean that Hillary supporters are in that bracket.

But stereotypes fit in well for people who respond to sound bites. I'm ashamed that you're from my state.

[NMMNG]

181. I was an egg cell 40 years ago

Or rather, half of me was.

You should put down that broad-brush. It must be heavy.

[Sapphocrat]

80. Let me guess...

You go suddenly blind and deaf whenever anyone brings up Obama's deep devotion to capitalism, which he calls "our greatest asset."

I'd tell you all about the way Obama thinks individual freedom is an "intoxicating danger," and his Straussian determination to maintain "rank and an inherited social order," but the rupture in your fragile bubble of cognitive dissonance would make your head explode.

[Jamastiene]

147. For the record, it is possible to walk to school in the snow...

uphill both ways and some people still do that to this day. Just take a look-see in America in places all over including in some parts of the Appalachian Mountains. If your candidate bothered ever read up on real issues, he'd know that and so would you. The title "elitist" does seem to fit your post. You are so unaware of the reality for so many people in this country. You should really read up on the extreme poverty in this country. Yeah, Wal Mart is all some of us have and it's all some of us can afford. Deal with it. We have no choice. You do, obviously. How does it feel to be so elite and privileged?

[NMMNG]

187. Don't mind that one

He's got serious issues.

[NashVegas]

36. Sapph

You gotta use the ignore button - liberally. That's what it comes to.

[Sapphocrat]

67. Believe me, Crisco...

...half the replies in this thread appear to have been posted by someone called Ignored.

Still, I see another four or five I'm about to wish away into the cornfield.

[NMMNG]

110. I've got at least 20 people on Ignore

The most obnoxious ones, starting with the spambots and then the attack dogs. But if I included too many people threads would be little more than "Ignored" all down the line sometimes.

[Jamastiene]

148. Only 20?

I've probably wracked up about 100 over the past 2 weeks alone.

[NMMNG]

150. I just counted and I'm up to 50 as of this moment

But the list keeps growing.

[Jamastiene]

157. I see mine as my garden now.

The bullshit keeps it well fertilized and there certainly is no drought in these troubling times.

[NMMNG]

164. Mine is a migraine preventive medication

Anyone with migraines knows that's like gold.

[Jamastiene]

165. I know what you mean.

I have them too sometimes. Migraines can bring us to our knees.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Heh.

Heh heh heh.

Hee hee hee hee hee.

Ha ha ha ha.

HA HA HA HA HA HA! *snort*

ZOMG! ROFLMAO!

[DS1]

42. I love having words put into my mouth, or the mouths of people I align myself with

I've never seen a "sexy / he's cool / I want a rock star" post. Sorry, I'm not buying the rest of your seemingly unsubstantiated complaint.

[LostinVA]

48. There was at least one last week

I was barely on DU most of the weekend, so I have no idea about after that.

[DS1]

49. I've just grown tired of ~both~ sides doing the "I saw one, so there must be dozens"

approach. It's really tiresome.

[NMMNG]

65. Here's one for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


If you haven't seen others you haven't been looking.

[LostinVA]

68. Know what's interesting?

Both myself and mentalsolstice posted in that thread -- hmmm.....

[Sapphocrat]

75. Then you need to get your vision checked.

Although I'm not sure there's a prescription for "selective focus."

[DS1]

79. Pot, meet kettle.

Your entire argument is based on selective focus, which is why it's receiving these reactions.

[Sapphocrat]

82. Wheat, meet chaff.

The negative reactions here are perfect illustrations of what I'm saying.

What amazes me is how some of the last people I was even thinking of showed up here, brimming with indignance and faux outrage.

If it doesn't apply to you, and you don't see it in others, why struggle so mightily to defend yourself? Sounds like a guilty conscience.

[DS1]

84. No, no guilty conscience here.

It's the "one = many" arguments that grow so tiresome here.

Some troll calls Hillary a bitch and suddenly all or most Obama supporters think Hillary is a bitch. It's really quite ridiculous, and as a DUer of 6 years, you should know better than base judgments on trolls.

[Sapphocrat]

97. Then isn't it in your own best interest...

...to root out the trolls?

Look, I didn't phone Krugman (and the LAT and every other MSM outlet) and put a bug in their ear to start writing about the "cultish" aspect of blind Obama worship. If it's that apparent to the MSM, Obama supporters as a whole have a big problem: the trolls are giving you ALL a bad name.

Am I being a "concern troll" for Obama supporters? Hell, no. My motive for trying to push you into rooting out the trolls is two-fold: 1) I'm sick of what little potential "discussion" there is left around here being drowned out by this shit, and 2) if Obama supporters as a whole are being made to look bad to the outside world, then by extension ALL Democrats look bad. And "ALL Democrats" includes Hillary supporters. And "Hillary supporters" includes me.

For all I know, the worst offenders could easily be Republican shills trying to drown out Hillary supporters, because they believe they can't beat Hillary in November, but they can beat Obama. Or maybe they believe they can't beat Obama, but they can beat Hillary -- in which case if they make the Obama supporters look bad enough, they'll create a backlash against Obama that will result in Hillary's nomination.

I have no idea -- but I still refuse to believe, as I said in my OP, that so many Obama supporters are really as dense and shallow as they appear (pretend) to be.

Which is another thing -- not one Obama supporter has noticed that in my OP, I'm saying I do NOT believe all Obama supporters are dense and shallow -- just the obvious trolls, which, you admit, exist.

I am asking -- no, begging -- you to consider the possible source(s) of the vilest spew coming out of some* alleged Obama supporters here, and then do something about it. They're not going to listen to me or any other HRC supporter.

* I have to use "some," and you know it. You know perfectly well I cannot call out individual DUers -- unless they've already been TS'd, and then there's no point.

[DS1]

101. I do call out trolls bashing Hillary

but I guess you miss that.

[Sapphocrat]

104. In the tidal wave of garbage around here, no doubt I have missed that.

And if it didn't exist, you wouldn't have to call out Hillary-bashing trolls in the first place.

[hedgehog]

44. Maybe Obama fans just have a weird sense of humor.

I can't tell you how many times I have left off the tag because I thought I was being over-the-top obvious, only to have someone take me seriously!

[Freetospeak]

45. Thank you!

[beachmom]

47. Sounds like you're just making stuff up, because I haven't heard ANY

of the main Obama supporters say support him because he is "cool". Sounds like you have nothing to say but sour grapes.

[Sapphocrat]

78. Another "you're just making stuff up" reaction.

You suffer from "selective focus" too, I see.

I guess coming down on a HRC supporter who was making an outrageous, unsubstantiated smear on Obama the other day was pointless. I'll bet you saw that attack -- but I'll bet you didn't see me slap the shit out of the OP.

Remind me never to stick up for you guys again -- even if it is the right thing to do.

[EFerrari]

52. Dense, shallow, moron?

That's really disappointing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. This Board Is Zero Fun

Everyday I promise myself to never come here again... One day I will get it right...I can get more sober and dispassionate discussion at your local watering hole at 2:00 in the morning...

If the election was tomorrow I would vote against the god awful anti-gay marriage amendment on the Florida ballot and leave the presidential choice blank... Ironically, a lot of the people I talk to feel the same way...

There will be a lot of fences to mend...Out in the real world, John McCain isn't the Bogey man Bush* is... Yeah he's a hawk of hawks but he doesn't seem to hate gay folks, undocumented workers, or liberals...

Shit in one hand, honey in the other...Guess which hand people want to shake...

[Sapphocrat]

64. No, Beth, I'll tell you what's disappointing.

What's disappointing is finding the one forum on DU restricted to discussion of primaries overrun by newbies who claim to be voting for the first time, but whose sole purpose is clearly disruption via dozens of OPs and scores -- even hundreds -- of posts per day consisting of nothing but cheap shots at those of us not supporting The One. What's disappointing is getting sucked into answering a question that sounds legitimate, but is nothing more than a trap. What's disappointing is being called a DLC-loving, warmongering Hillary shill. What's disappointing is having my second-class citizenship dismissed, again, as "faux outrage." What's disappointing is being told that at 46 I'm old, that I fucked up their generation, and that I need to get the hell out of the way before I'm "shoved" out of the way. What's disappointing is that you took this OP personally, when it had nothing to do with you. What's disappointing is that you -- one of the sharpest people on DU -- refuse to see what's going on, and instead knock me back with a dismissive one-liner. What's disappointing is the number of times I've been attacked unfairly in GDP, and you never came to my defense.

[LostinVA]

66. Good OP -- I agree 100%

My tipping point came last week when I was called a racist, but someone NOT a newbie.

[Sapphocrat]

71. I forgot to mention that, too.

I've guess I've been called a racist so many times now, I'm almost deaf to it.

[NMMNG]

72. Don't you just love that?

That automatic "you're a racist" from some of them because you don't approve of Obama. I mean,

1. Why do they just assume that you are white or otherwise not black?
2. The assumption inherent in that is that all blacks would be voting for Obama, so doesn't that make them rather racist?

[Politicub]

81. I'm just so sick of the "Not in love with Obama" = racist crap

I've been accused of being a racist probably five times now, and have given up on posting on Obama-esque threads (except this one ).

It really wears one down. And the intent is just to get people to shut up and stop posting anything critical of Obama, I guess it certainly worked on me. Sad, huh?

And another sad thing is, once I start warming up to Obama - even a little bit - I read comments that people make about Hillary (sometimes vile, hateful things including regurgitated GOP talking points from the 90's), and it just turns me off. Besides, he has enough support and doesn't need my feeble posts anyway.

And I know that by posting this, I'm opening myself up to the "You're such a crybaby - WAHHHHH" response that I've gotten a few times already, too.

[NMMNG]

93. Yep

Way back when I was a Kucinich supporter I was still a "Hillbot" because I dared to voice opposition to things Obama said/did. It's like nobody else but a Hillbot would think of not voting for Obama (or maybe they forgot the other candidates existed?). I was also a racist, religion-hater, one-issue-voter and myriad other things. Funny how they belittle us constantly for not supporting his highness but then turn around and scream if we say one word to or about them.


And don't even get me started on the "cry-baby" stuff.

[Sapphocrat]

95. You just don't get it, do you?

That's what UNITY looks like!







<= for the sarcasm-impaired

[NMMNG]

99. It's only "unity" if you join their club

Otherwise you're an old religion-hating racist Hillbot afraid-of-change warmongering DLC crybaby.

[enough already]

130. You know, if Bill hadn't shot his mouth off so inappropriately....

....nobody would be yelling 'racist' at anybody. But he did and Hillary did nothing to stop it and her supporters went along with it too. It was disgusting and that's why you're hearing it.

[NMMNG]

131. The "racist" jabs were flying here long before Big Dog said a thing

Try again.

[K Gardner]

59. Lord, after this post I'd have to agree that young people would HAVE to be much "quicker on the

uptake than you". Thanks for labeling millions of your fellow democrats "dense and shallow". Nice touch. ^5

And whatever your problem is.. it ain't my job. It's up to you.


Thanks..

A dense and shallow 50-year-old Obama cultist who thinks her candidate is really cool !

[Sapphocrat]

85. Again, it's amazing how many people...

...I wasn't thinking of think it's all about them.

I wasn't thinking of you, K Gardner -- but if you want to adopt that mantle, that's up to you.

[cbayer]

121. Thanks for changing your Avatar. It was confusing me (not too bright). nt.

[Jamastiene]

149. Uhm, if the shoe fits, wear it.

Nobody mentioned your name or even said anything about millions...until you came along and labeled your own self "dense" and "shallow." If the shoe fits, at least you admit it. I'll give you that much.