why do so few women run for presidency?

[AGirl]

just wondering , why women are rarely or never frontrunners?

[saltpoint]

1. Because, as all us boys know, gals are weak and hysterical and

emotional and gossipy.

[goldcanyonaz]

3. You may be joking, but that's the angle the media has played against Clinton.

[saltpoint]

4. It never stopped Bella Abzug.

Clinton's gender isn't her problem at all. Her campaign strategy is.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. She's won over the true Democratic vote, whereas Obama has won over the temporary Dem vote.

Register as a Dem today to keep Clinton away.

Let's bookmark this post, so we can come back to it in November.

[saltpoint]

14. Increasingly the demographics have shifted toward Sen. Obama.

"True Democratic vote(s)"? -- Are you decided that arbitrarily?

There's lots of us Democrats out here. And not all of us agree with one position.

[No Blood for Hubris]

32. The working-class poor was the demographic in my state

that won it for Hillary.

[saltpoint]

37. He leads in states' votes.

[No Blood for Hubris]

29. More women are noticing the sexist smears, and they don't like it.

Myself among them.

But Obama v. Hillary, the choice has nothing to do with sexism. It's a matter of which one is more competent, more progressive, more planful, more seasoned, more battle-hardened, more tough.

That vote goes to Hillary.

[saltpoint]

31. Currently that vote's going to Barack Obama. He whipped her pretty

good yesterday.

[No Blood for Hubris]

33. Which vote? Obama does win caucuses. Hillary wins

primaries.

[saltpoint]

36. He leads in states' votes.

[Darth_Kitten]

66. She leads with popular vote and number of delegates.

:)

[saltpoint]

71. But perhaps not for long. You know how these things go.

:hi: :dem:

[adapa]

77. Since when is talk of whipping women OK?........ just sayin'....

[saltpoint]

81. You've captured the precise intent of my post.

Con brio mucho.

[blm]

70. More experience protecting Bushes and their cronies.....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786

[No Blood for Hubris]

27. Sexism is alive and well in the USA. Look at what MSNBC gets away with.

Check out http://www.mediamatters.org and click on the MSNBC Shuster/Matthews/Scarborough/Holt/Calrson quotes.

They will turn your stomach.

[rpannier]

2. Because only a man is stupid enough and arrogant enough to want the job

[Bluerthanblue]

19. this might be the most accurate answer-

even though it was likely intended as humor.

:hi:
peace~

[rpannier]

35. Of course in humor

and a wave and peace back to you

:hi:

[No Blood for Hubris]

34. That's like something Tucker Carlson said.

But it's not ok.

[No Blood for Hubris]

38. Here it is.

"And then there's MSNBC host Tucker Carlson, who has described Hillary Clinton as "whining" and suggested the reason there are so few women in Congress is that "most women are so sensible, they don't want to get involved in something as stupid as politics" and said of Clinton, "hen she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs," and described her as "castrating, overbearing, and scary."

[GliderGuider]

5. too much integrity

Not to generalize, or anything.

[mitchum]

6. They're looking for their keys?

:)

[theHandpuppet]

11. Nope, no sexism in this society, especially not here

:eyes:

[mitchum]

22. You're right; an innocuous wisecrack is the equivalent of battering...

or pay disparity.
I trust you will also take the above poster to task for their "sexism" The one who replied that it's because women are neither stupid nor arrogant enough to seek the office.
If you decline to do so, I guess we BOTH know what that makes you, eh?

edit: typo (hey, I was distracted by my privilege)

[theHandpuppet]

56. Taunting and bullying are symptoms as well

Keep proving my point for me. Saves time and space.

[mitchum]

62. And selective outrage is a symptom of hypocrisy, dear puppet

Keep proving my point for me.
Thanks for that (I guess one of our mothers taught us some manners)

[theHandpuppet]

64. Condescension is another, DEARIE

At least my mother taught me that belittling others by mocking them is rude. Have fun playing by yourself in the sandbox.

[mitchum]

65. Condescension is another...what?

Sympton?
Of Sexism?
Of hypocrisy?
Your meaniing is unclear.

You, dear puppet, are the one who chose to join me in the sandbox by singling out my post for your disapproval.
Being the hospitable sort, I welcome you, but you really should not blame me for the faulty quality of your shovel and pail

[mitchum]

21. self delete: replied to wrong post

[BooScout]

7. I would have run.......

But I inhaled and I liked it and I didn't do it to forget who I am or find myself either:evilgrin:

[Cleita]

8. Women only got to vote in 1920, the last group of

American citizens to do so. Also, only now there has been an African American running. There hasn't been a Native American, nor an Asian American running for one of the two major political parties either.

[saltpoint]

10. I believe Shirley Chisholm and Carol Moseley-Braun ought to count.

[Cleita]

16. I deliberately narrowed it down to front runners in the two

major parties meaning they have a chance to be running against the opposition party in the general election. If you want to include everyone running in every party then sure there are more.

[saltpoint]

17. Correct. And likely there will be many more in the future.

[Captain Hilts]

25. No, their candidacies were never taken seriously.

And I'm a Chisholm fan.

[saltpoint]

30. Some of us took them damned seriously. Sounds like you were

among them.

[No Blood for Hubris]

26. Shirley Chisholm, when asked if it was harder to be female or

to be black, said she found that it was much harder to be female.

[saltpoint]

28. I loved Shirley.

[Captain Hilts]

68. Since this is Black History Month ....

Yeah, and I hate having months to marginalize the history of blacks and women, BUT...

Shirley Chisholm is being lost. She's going the way of Mary McLeod Bethune, Patty Murray, Dorothy Height, etc.

Why aren't young girls being named 'Ella', 'Coretta', 'Shirley' 'Sojournor', or 'Mary McLeod' ...

[saltpoint]

72. Well Ms. Chisholm is not lost in our house.

Sorry about everyone else's.

[Captain Hilts]

74. Not lost in mine either, LOVE the story...

about how they tried to put her on the agriculture committee when she first got to Congress....

[saltpoint]

78. Mookie, please share that with me...?

[Captain Hilts]

80. I think it was also the subcommittee on Forestry. Well, being from Brooklyn...

-and we all know 'A' tree grows there - she announced that it was perfectly stupid to put someone from Brooklyn on the Forestry committee - and people agreed with her and she was promptly placed on another that actually related to what folks in Brooklyn needed. Good for her! In those days, freshman didn't talk out of turn like that. Chalk one up for SC and for Our Side.

[saltpoint]

82. LOL! Good for Shirley! If they'd insisted, she probably would have whupped

their butts.

And I wouldnt blame her.

Thank you for that!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. There aren't many qualified in the pipeline

[Cleita]

18. That's not true. There are many more who are IMHO more

qualified than many of the men who are running. It's just that they aren't getting the support of their political parties to do so. I think Barbara Boxer is far more qualified to run than Hillary Clinton, yet no one in our party has encouraged her to throw her hat in the ring and offered support.

[No Blood for Hubris]

40. Gee, and they're waay underrepresented in Congress, too.

But there are lots of them in law school!

Hmm. I wonder what that's all about?

[Bonobo]

13. Most women express their power in other ways.

[No Blood for Hubris]

41. Most women express their power in whichever ways they can

Or are allowed to by their society and culture.

Maybe it's time for a change.

[Quixote1818]

15. Women are just staring to increase their numbers in Congress and the Senate

Women use to never be principals but now they are getting close to surpassing men as school principals.

Give them about 10 years and women will be ruling everything in the U.S.

[No Blood for Hubris]

43. "Ruling"? Interesting choice of words.

Have you noticing who has been ruling everything in the US for several centuries?

[Quixote1818]

51. My post was very positive toward women so don't try to turn it around

I am getting kind of sick of this crap. Dissecting every tiny little word to try to make people look like they are sexist. Thats just fucking bull shit and I am tired of it.

[hlthe2b]

20. Though women comprise >50% of the population, look how few

women number among the 100 US Senators, then look at individual State Houses. Virginia, for instance has only 8, of which 7 are Democrats. Women are slowly starting to assume more governorships, but are still tremendously outnumbered. Women have to move through the chain, just as males. Unfortunately, given that women have not even held the right to vote for much of the previous century, attitudinal change and opportunities come slowly.

[No Blood for Hubris]

42. Yes, You're right. There are more women in the Iraqi congress,

by law, proportionally, than there are in the US congress. I think their constitution calls for 30% of the seats to go to women.

[No Blood for Hubris]

23. Just because the world is 50/50 female/male doesn't mean that

the sexes must share power equally, does it?

If that were the case, we'd soon have a 50/50 female/male ratio in the House and Senate! Shock.

And the same 50/50 ratio on the Supreme Court! Horror.

And then the world would come to an end!

No, men really do prefer to continue running things. But, who knows?

Perhaps in your lifetime, AGirl, things may change.

Maybe change will start in June. And in November.

[Cleita]

46. I would like to see equal representation by law with the exception

of the President who has to be an individual. Each state should elect a male senator and a female senator. Each district should have two reps from each gender and so on. But I know most cannot wrap their brains around this concept.

[Captain Hilts]

24. Read Nicholas Kristoff in the NYT today. nt

[ecstatic]

39. It will increase, but more affirmative action is needed in the political arena

to break up the all boys club.

[No Blood for Hubris]

45. "Affirmative action"? That'll get hackles up.

Ooh, and playing the gender card?

Scare.

[ecstatic]

49. Yes, affirmative action, which has benefited millions of women

(especially white women) over the past 50 years. My college-Georgia Tech-didn't even accept women applicants until a little over 50 years ago. And now women go to schools like GT and other places and excel. Women have come a long way in a short time due to affirmative action. People won't change on their own--they must be forced into change through sensible policies.

[newmajority]

44. I'd say it's connected to women in politics overall

Obviously, you have to have some level of political experience to run for President. Without arguing the specifics of Hillary's, she is at least, a sitting senator.

We had a woman on the 1984 ticket. Unfortunately, Reagan had 2/3 of the country fooled, so that didn't work out.

I come from a state where women have done very well politically. We had a female governor in the 1970's before it was all that common. We have another now, and both our senators as well. I voted for all three of them. I'd vote for two of them again.

Someday, I will look forward to electing a woman as President of the United States, but it isn't going to be Hillary Clinton.

[No Blood for Hubris]

50. double post

sorry.

[No Blood for Hubris]

52. I look forward to electing Hillary Clinton.

She'll be a great President.

[candice]

47. Women just do the grunt work in the campaigns for the usually male candidates...

It will great to see the Obama men out there taking over the previously predominately women's work.

After the media hatred directed towards Hillary, who would be brave enough to step up to the plate. Imagine if an orange person were so vilified for being orange? How many orange people would feel they are part of the process?

[candice]

48. All you need is hate--New York Times

http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/all-you-need-is-hate/index.html?scp=1-b&sq=stanley%20fish%20clinton&st=nyt

[suston96]

54. Great piece - Hate, the prevalent human emotion, looking for someone or something to hate. nt

[Pathwalker]

58. Wow! I have seen tons of those examples right here on DU!

Repeatedly. Daily. Many of the posters are just like the one described in the piece, linking to absolute bullshit, actually spamming thread after thread with them.
Bookmarked for reference. Thank you very much for that incredible article!

[saltpoint]

53. Those women volunteers, tragically, are apprehended from their homes

in the middle of the night, bagged and tossed into the backs of utility vans, and driven to various campaign headquarters, where they are held at gunpoint to desks where they must answer phones and stuff envelopes.

It's horrifying.

May they find peace in another life!

[mzmolly]

73. Oh my.

:rofl: :hi:

[saltpoint]

79. ----

:hi:

[No Blood for Hubris]

55. Yes, which brings us back to the original topic.

Maybe more will run after the vilification of Hillary subsides.

It's like the first women who attended West Point. They were reviled, just as Hillary has been.

Now it's not so much of an issue -- except to Chris Matthews and the fratboys at MSNBC.

[blm]

57. Most hadn't helped their husbands protect the Bushes and powerful elite for decades

like Hillary has. Maybe Lynne Cheney will run.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[No Blood for Hubris]

59. Oh, right, So Hillary = Bush? That explains the venom, then.

Do keep smoking whatever you're on.

[blm]

61. No - but Clintons DO have a record of PROTECTING Bushes for decades. Everyone

familiar with IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning operations of Poppy Bush knows that.

But maybe YOU are unfamiliar with these matters? Many Dems seem to only pay attention to politics but not actual governance.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[No Blood for Hubris]

60. Chris Matthews knows why.

"Just this week, Matthews claimed there isn't a plausible female presidential candidate "on the horizon" because there aren't any "big-state women governors" -- but Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Connecticut Gov. Jodi Rell, and Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius all run states with populations comparable to male governors who have recently run for president, including Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and Bill Richardson. How large a state does a woman have to run before she qualifies as a plausible presidential candidate to Chris Matthews? One that is twice as large as Mitt Romney's Massachusetts? Three times as large?"

[VotesForWomen]

63. because it's not lady-like. seriously. people are creatures of convention. nt

[polichick]

67. Women are too smart to want a high-stress, low-paying job with horrible hours...

...that makes you age twenty-years in four.

[suston96]

69. Run for what? And give up baking cookies and ironing shirts? No way, Josephine! nt

[AZBlue]

75. Only 16% of Congress is female.

And we just finally saw the first female Speaker of the House. Politics is one of the slowest areas to catch up to the outcome of the women's movement.

[robbedvoter]

76. WHA????? YOU WANT TERRAISTS TO WIN??? How would a woman fight them?

We all know women throw like girls!