If Chelsea Clinton Is Going to Be Out There....

[rsmith6621]

.....as an active campaigner for Hillary and actively work to build her support then I say Chelsea is open game to any comments and criticisms and is not owed any apologies.....she elected to help out and she is an adult...I say to bad for the Clinton's that they can not help but politicize their daughter...

Schuster has apologized I say that is where NBC should leave it and if Olberman was behind the suspension then I say he should also hold himself accountable....This situation has been blown out of proportions and driven by $$$$.

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7845015&nav=0RY5

[zanne]

1. Agreed. nt

[neutron]

7. MSNBC has operated to Destroy our last 2 candidates

They're doing the same to Clinton.

[neutron]

8. Shuster Just Needs a Warm Hug

:-)

[TexasObserver]

2. Agreed.

Olbermann needs to understand he's still just a guy pulling a half million viewers, and since I'm one of them and I'm a little tired of his using ridiculous Hill shills like Craig Crawford, he could lose me for that hour.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I hope he's not onboard with the good ship HRC Titantic, because it's going down.

[SoFlaJet]

19. No, TO

I watch him every night and I wouldn't say he's in the HRC camp-I sort of feel he's for Obama. He's more on the side of what is right and what is real...Schuster's comment wasn't right BUT with THAT being said-does this remind anyone else of how things were run under Bush after 9/11? I mean if you said anything against him on TV you were a terr-a-ist

[TexasObserver]

24. I hope he's not pro Hillary, but he's had that Fox thing lately ...

Two guests, both pro Hillary, to discuss the Democratic race.

And one was Crawford, whom I will no longer watch. Add Lanny to the list of remorseless Clinton shills. That guy has no pride at all.

[Big Blue Marble]

65. You are not the only KO fan who is struggling with him.

I have noticed that last fall he seemed to lean toward Hillary. When Obama won Iowa he seemed to tend a little toward
Obama. When Hillary won NH, he went back towards Hillary. Are you getting dizzy yet?

Is he trying to go with where he thinks the audience is going?

I am not objective being an Obama supporter, but I do find him hard to watch some of the time.
I guess it is a challenge for him. We were all on the same page before the primary season loving
to beat up on the Bush administration.

Now we have split into two audiences and he can not please both of us. LOL

[Seeker30]

68. Wow, you almost sound like OLielly

[trumad]

3. Fuck his pimped out comment...

it's his original; criticism that makes him an idiot.

Let Digby clarify....

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/here-we-go-again-by-digby-i-have-taken.html

[MonkeyFunk]

4. ANY criticism?

So if Bill O'Reilly says Michelle Obama is a crack-whore, that's OK? If Sean Hannity had said Elizabeth Edwards was a drug-addled harridan, that would be OK?

What a bullshit argument.

Nobody's legislating against insulting people - but Clinton has every fucking right to defend her family against the media, and if you think this HURTS her, you're an idiot.

[tyne]

12. Bill isn't

defending his family. He's milking this for all its worth.

A Hillary presidency would be a 24/7 media fight frenzy. That's what they do. You can have it.

I want to turn the page.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. No politician ever hurt himself

by defending his family.

[tyne]

45. He's not

defending his family. He's "pimping" the pimping remark. They've now turned away from Hillary's campaign message and are using this to the full extent. So are you people.

This is what a Hillary presidency would look like for 8 years. Again...nitpicking and crotchsniffing about anything and everything EXCEPT what's good for the country.

Remember, it was ONE stupid remark made by Shuster.

And you believe she can get health care passed. *Pffft*

[MonkeyFunk]

58. Yes

one stupid remark that deserved to be condemned.

I love how people who claim the Clintons are overreacting respond by overreacting themselves. They didn't have Shuster killed. They didn't have him arrested. They didn't have him fired. They objected.

MSNBC got thousands of complaints and rightly, acted on them.

[thunder rising]

14. It's just fine!! People can choose another station to watch. Vote with your remote!

Hillary is showing that she will abuse her position. Just like Bush.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. She's allowed to defend her family

in fact, it's not only the right thing to do, it's politically smart to do so.

[zanne]

49. Of course, but Chelsea isn't 13 years old anymore...

Chelsea is an adult now and she makes political choices. She's in the public eye and she chose to put herself there. She's not immune to criticism anymore.

[OzarkDem]

33. Good point

If Chelsea says or does something controversial or wrong, then it should be discussed. But ad hominem attacks are unwarranted.

[zanne]

72. The "pimping out" comment was way out of line...

I heartily agree with that. But that doesn't mean that Chelsea can't be criticized. Maybe Shuster was trying to be "cool" by using that vernacular--I don't know, but it was unwarranted. I'm glad he was sanctioned.

[Orsino]

74. Any criticism.

Stupid insults are not criticism, though, and as you say, they don't really hurt her (Hillary).

Frankly, I can't imagine what there is to criticize about Chelsea, unless it's blind support of her mother.

[JVS]

5. I'm waiting for Hillbots to have her register as under 30 on their sensors and start bashing her...

for being young, idealistic, naive, etc.

[thunder rising]

16. That only applies if you support Obama! Otherwise, you're wise beyond your years.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. What surprises me are all the DU posters who buy into the meme

that Hillary Clinton is somehow "using" poor almost 28 year old Chelsea Clinton, using her control over her innocent daughter to make her do vile political work that Chelsea isn't empowered enough to just say no to doing.

That is a real shocker for me. I have seen quite a few posters essentially defend Shuster's actual point that Chelsea is some kind of victim here, not a woman nearing 30 who can and is making her own decisions in life. The line seems to be, "OK maybe he shouldn't have used that particular slang, but the point he was making is valid". WTF? If Chelsea was a 28 year old male instead, making phone calls on behalf of his mother or father's run for office, would anyone suggest that "he" was being "pimped out", no matter what definition you use for that phrase?

[ZinZen]

44. Tom, Shuster made an inappropriate comment

about Chelsea and apologized. The problem I have is this so called firestorm the Clintons are bringing on looks a bit manufactured to gain media attention.

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. Shuster was privately asked to apologize by email the same night he made his comments

He bluntly refused to apologize and defended making his comment instead. Had he taken a different course then I doubt any of this would have played out remotely as it has.

I saw the first apology that Shuster "gave" as part of "house cleaning" on Friday morning. It was a bull shit non apology apology - saying essentially that he didn't do anything wrong but if anyone heard his comments in a way that he did not intend them, than he regretted offending them.

I also read the second apology that Shuster gave on Friday evening after his first one did not put the controversy to bed. THAT was a real apology. He should have saved all of us a lot of grief and emailed back appropirately when he had the chance.

[greguganus]

73. No, people would be saying he should go to Iraq since he's stumping for an IWR supporter. n/t

[Submariner]

6. True, but

Schuster should have said "the Clintons have Chelsea working the campaign crowds for her mother", the pimp comment was uncalled for.

[tyne]

20. So true.

But he didn't and got suspended for his stupid choice of words.

A Hillary presidency would mean 8 years of nitpicking and crotchsniffing about the media and anything else that had not one thing to do with the country.

[1corona4u]

62. So then maybe Imus shouldn't have been fired....just suspended..

after all, his was a stupid choice of words too.....

[Deja Q]

9. Politics is politics. Politicians know the game, because it is a game.

Until the politicians decide to change it, nothing will change.

[styersc]

10. Since your mother is a syphlittic whore and your father is a child

molesting alcoholic, why should anyone listen to your opinion?

Well, you put yourself "out there" so I guess you feel that anyone can say anything about you no matter how vicious or inaccurate without having to apologize.

[TexasObserver]

26. Please take your meds.

[terrya]

11. Be very goddamned careful about going down this road.

By being "out there", that means, of course, having a life...a job, a career, whatever.

If you open this door, you're opening it to family members of ANY candidate.

[mtnsnake]

13. MSNBC has been going way too far w/their campaign to stop Hillary. They stumbled & got caught

Schuster went a little too far and his bosses aren't pissed at him for his comments on Chelsea; they are upset with him because he gave away MSNBC's MO.

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. Bullshit. We should be demanding journalistic integrity. "fair game?"

This is not a Dick Cheney hunting expedition. This is supposed to be "news." The biased distorted editorialized crap Schuster tried to get away with is NOT NEWS.

And, of course there are limits to journalism. The "truth" would be nice.

The truth is that everyone has friends, family, surrogates calling voters. Yet, Schuster and MSNBC distorts anything Clinton does, attempting to give it nefarious meaning. Why? Well, Schuster himself stated that he was upset that Chelsea won't talk to press. So, is it ok with him to use his vast air power to attack her cause he is pissed off that he did not get a story? Is that ok with you?

There was a time when DU would not support the propaganda machine. MSNBC has been on an all out attack against Clinton for months. It is time to call them on it.

I would like to see a level playing field. I would like to see "news" rather than editorial comments by pissed off reporters.

[NashVegas]

17. From Dweebs on Internet Message Boards, Sure - But NOT For Network Commentators!

Geez.

[DiamondJay]

18. Is Obama politicizing his wife?

who has nothing to do with politics go on TV and say "blacks will 'come to their senses' and vote for (her) husband?" is it not politicizing her for her to go say she'd have to THINK about supporting the nominee if it is not her husband? How about his kids? Should we say he is selling them into slavery when he sells pictures of his dreamy self for points when he has his two young kids next to him? What if someone called Michelle a panther for the remarks about "coming to their senses"? i think the word "racist" would be the most used word of 08

[cali]

23. say whatever you wish. I could care less

your comments have made it clear just exactly what you are- ergo everything you say should be viewed as worthless.

[DiamondJay]

36. tell me why? is it because u didn't like what I said?

[cali]

37. it's your prior comments and your fixation on race

as well as your propensity to bring up the faux Muslim thing.

[rsmith6621]

22. PIMPED OUT IS A GENERATIONAL TERM

....essentially it is the same as MAKEOVER was in the 70s/80s...

Chelsea has been PIMPED out in YES her looks and her attitude......she had been reported to be shy.....three weeks ago the press was cawing over the fact that they finally heard her voice for the first time in years.....

Schuster spoke in terms of relevance.

[glowing]

27. Whatever.. she gave a speach down here a couple of years ago

and is very good.. very like her father with words and charisma.. Well put together young lady..

[TexasObserver]

28. You're talking to posters who have become their grandmother.

What's going on here is nothing less than old people getting their Depends in a bunch over a word that they think they own. In their minds, pimping means one thing. That's because they haven't heard any new, cutting edge lingo since Nixon said "sock it to me!"

[Bluebear]

30. Yes, Schuster meant she was really "pimped out", like a ride or clothes

That's what you are claiming was the intent? :rofl:

[DiamondJay]

39. she had those dub rim 22"s, chrome grille, hydraulics,

all the works. boy if theres a woman who could be sooped up it would deff be her......

[Big Blue Marble]

66. Hillarious!

That sums it up. Unfortunately the group you mention are a major base the Clintons can whip into a frenzy now.

The mean, mean media picking on little sweet little Chelsa is how they will see it.

The Clinton team knows that this is an opportunity. And they never miss an opportunity.

[Arkansas Granny]

56. And you are extremely naive if you think that he had that definition

in mind when he used the phrase.

[Big Blue Marble]

67. Hey granny get with the times.

The languages changes. Words take on different meanings. Pimped meant one thing to our generation.

It has a different connotation now to the kids. David was talking jive or slang. He was not implying
more than Chelesa was being used by her parents in their campaign.

[Arkansas Granny]

69. I am fully aware of the current usage of the word pimped by the.

younger generation. David Schuster wasn't talking to kids and he is certainly old enough to be familiar with the older connotation. I don't think for a minute that he was talking about her physical appearance.

[Big Blue Marble]

70. What do you think he meant?

[glowing]

25. No... its not ok to say she's pimping Chelsea.. He could say..

How is Chelsea helping the clinton campaign? There are ways to say things without being disgusting.. Blame it on the Britney Spear smears.. to think its ok to degrade women.. Just today the local news was reporting on her "situation", and what clip do you think they played..the one from the grammy's. Its not ok, he should apologize, and he should be suspended for a bit.. AND more of these news people should suffer the same consequences.

[rodeodance]

34. agree. But just to clariy, Schuster was Suspended cause this was SECOND time

making Inapproriate comments.

I know people are critical of the first--that was msnbc decision--take it up with them

[citizen snips]

29. Believe me, what Shuster said was not criticism

[Nedsdag]

31. Thank you!

This isn't the awkward 12-year-old with the frizzy hair and braces.

This is a grown woman with a job and a steady boyfriend. If she cannot take the criticism, she should return to her hedge fund job and show up when her mom concedes the race.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. Campainging doesn't make someone a whore

And sending someone on a campaign doesn't make someone a pimp.

Not necessarily.

:rofl:

Anyway, there was an apology, it should be accepted and move this along. Campaigners are fair game, but not for unfounded slander. If Chelsea is doing something wrong, then publicize it and provide the evidence. Otherwise, just hammer her on issues and not personally.

[journalist3072]

35. "Open game to any comments or criticisms.." WTF? So if someone called her a hore, you'd be OK with

that? If someone called her an ungly b*tch, you'd be OK with that?

Just because she's campaigning for her mother, doesn't mean she should be subjected to "any comments and criticisms."

Chelsea is out there talking to young people, giving very specific details on her mother's policies. So if you want to criticize the policies she is championing, fine. If you disagree with her when she talks about her mom's health care policies, fine.

But I don't think anyone should be allowed to me "any" comments about her, as you say.

Just where do you draw the line?

[dogman]

41. Well we know that's how Rush feels.

I didn't expect that on this board. I guess Hillary hate is overwhelming.

[tyne]

42. Poor Hillary

[dogman]

52. Again, a comment worthy of Rush.

[Cameron27]

43. You're sure about that?

So I won't see any complaints from you when RWer's start in on Obama & you know they will? I'll check back to see if you're still ok with it when the nasties start attacking Barack or Michelle.

[tyne]

47. Oh they will

and Obama will respond with "that is what the media does....I've got better things to do than focus on what a reporter says".

Next!

[Cameron27]

53. Really?

The same Obama who had his surrogates running around condemning Bill Clinton for using the word fairytale to describe his voting record vs his rhetoric, will just brush aside a 'pimp' comment. I don't think so.

[EffieBlack]

46. Would you feel this way if a reporter had attacked Elizabeth Edwards?

[tyne]

51. Let's remember

how Obama handles nazelgazing remarks.

"Sen. Barack Obama told ABC News Monday there is nothing in Sen. Hillary Clinton’s record that would give him any cause for concern about her in terms of racial politics.

Asked how Obama interpreted two recent remarks by the Clintons that prompted an angry reaction from some in the Black community, Obama sought to damp down the racial dynamics of the controversy.

Many African Americans were offended when Hillary Clinton told an interviewer in New Hampshire, “Martin Luther King’s dream became a reality when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”

Some say she seemed to suggest that it took a white politician to fulfill a black man’s dream.

“I don’t think it was in any way a racial comment,” Obama told ABC News. “That’s something that has played out in the press. That’s not my view.”"

[EffieBlack]

64. Nothwithstanding that your post is a complete non-sequitur . . .

There is no comparison between Obama saying that he did not see Hillary Clinton's comment about Lyndon Johnson and Dr. King's respective roles in the Civil Rights Act as a "racial comment," and a reporter saying that Hillary Clinton had "pimped out" her daughter.

Now, if Hillary Clinton had said "Martin Luther King pimped out Rosa Parks in order to bring attention to the Montgomery Bus Boycott," I don't think that Obama would have been quite so magnanimous.

[Arkansas Granny]

50. I appears to me that all of the candidates have used or are using

family members in their campaigns. There is no excuse for attacking a candidate or their family members simply because they are involved in the campaign. Name calling and making them the butt of coarse jokes is more of a schoolyard tactic and doesn't belong in a serious discussion of the candidates and the issues.

[Arkansas Granny]

54. I appears to me that most, if not all of the candidates have used

family members in their campaigns. There is no excuse for attacking a candidate or their family members simply because they are involved in the campaign. Name calling and making them the butt of coarse jokes is more of a schoolyard tactic and doesn't belong in a serious discussion of the candidates and the issues.

[Darth_Kitten]

55. Yes, too bad.

Too bad that a grown woman can't make her own choices on what she wants to do.
:sarcasm:

[robbedvoter]

57. Any criticism? Should they use some racial slurs for Obama's family then?

Thanks for making "whore" legit - as long as it's not about your candidate.:eyes:

[tyne]

59. Unbelievable

how the Hillary supporters are blaming Obama for this.

[robbedvoter]

60. Not blaming Obama. Just trying to get you to see the unacceptable aspect of it

You seem to be overly sensitive to racism - even when it's not there. But sexist attacks on your opponent - are OK.
What you are responsible for is buying into and feeding the corporate media's attempt to manipulate our primaries.

[Darth_Kitten]

61. You are not getting this.

Oh, by the way, it's pretty bad to call a woman a "whore". I know it's not politically correct to stick up for women and all, considering them actual human beings. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

63. You are WRONG, msnbc got massive emails and calls. This language Is NOT

to be tolerated. msnbc got the message--Zero tolerance!

msnbc knows which side there bread is buttered on.

[otohara]

71. If That Were True, Then Why Hasn't Tweety

been suspended? http://mediamatters.org/action_center/matthews_monitor/

MSNBC got the message after Media Matters pressured the network about Matthews multiple remarks about Sen.Clinton and he got a slap on the hand and spitted out a pitiful long winded apology ONCE. David Schuster makes one gaffe, makes several apolgies and poof he's gone.

So no, MSNBC did not get the message, David Schuster got the message, because he's not the full-time host of any show. Nor did I hear Keith Olbermann chastise Matthews like he did Schuster, why do you suppose that is?

MSNBC does know which side their bread is buttered on and it has nothing to do with doing the right thing.

I worked in broadcasting for many years, they understand two things, money and knowing the public has a huge memory problem to their advantage.

[demo dutch]

78. Right on!

[Rhiannon12866]

75. I absolutely agree with you. I plan to write to MSNBC, protesting the suspension.

I actually heard Schuster's "offending" remark and it made no impression on me. The candidates, themselves, are saying much worse things to each other. And I'm not anti-Clinton. Hillary's my senator and I voted for her twice, and for President Clinton, as well. But Schuster's one of the best reporters that MSNBC's got and they need to hang on to the good ones...:-(

[MyNameGoesHere]

76. Hey sounds cool. I just love it if someone said i was pimping out my daughter.

Maybe we could pimp out everyones daughter. You know what, now that i think about it maybe he should not have been suspended. Maybe Bill should just beat the living fucking piss out of him. I am all for that. Then when Bill is finished Hillary can kick him in the balls. There that is my solution. But that is coming from a man that would beat the living piss out of ANYONE that said that about my daughter.

[DemVet]

77. Is Obama pimping out his kids....

...when the media decides to show them on TV? They may not be adults and they may not be active campaigners, but it's the same thing. This Obama/Clinton race has turned a little too nasty for me, mostly due to the fault of the media. I can't imagine what the Republicans have in wait for our nominee once the dust has cleared.