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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:53 PM
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Ok hears my take on the David Shuster incident
I like David as a reporter what he said was just plain STUPID and an apology should be handed from David in person to Chelsea but to suspend him i think is going a little bit to far. Are we going to have IF Hillary is elected President THE MEDIA AND PRESS on noticed not to say anything bad about Hillary or you will be sorry. Thats being DANGEROUSLY going in the direction of a dictatorship we already have that problem with the current occupant in the White House
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:54 PM
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1. The Clintons won't let reporters near Chelsea, that's what made him so frustrated
so I don't think he can hand the apology to her.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:55 PM
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2. I think she would've taken his call
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:08 PM
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11. Why not? She was calling everyone else....
Except Hasslebeck.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:01 PM
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24. good
you agree she would've taken his call.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:57 PM
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3. Candidates and candidate's children are 2 different things. n/t
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:03 PM
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9. She's not a child
What he said was offensive, but it would be offensive (and should, theoretically, be treated as offensive) if he'd said it about any candidate's surrogate. Chelsea Clinton is a grown woman actively participating in a political campaign.

Schuster shouldn't have said what he said. But it's because he shouldn't have said it about anyone. Why does it matter that it was Chelsea Clinton?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:58 PM
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4. Is the reporters vocabulary so limited that HE must use sexism to draw attention
to a point HE thinks is relevent. If so, he needs to find another job.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:14 PM
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25. Sadly, words like pimp, suck and douchbag are now mainstream. My friends with
kids are just pulling their hair out over the new vulgarity. Though Chelsea is fair game (hey, she cold calls super delegates!) his remark is mean spirited and in bad taste. I say Imusize him.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:00 PM
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He made a crass, inappropriate comment...
...and he should have been called out on it.

However, the comment is over and it doesn't justify the howling enormity
of "Oh MY GOD this is just so earth shattering!!!!!" outrage and prolonged
hysteria.

There's usually one incident like this per week--during the race--that incites
this freaky, magnified reaction.

I think the hyper-reaction is just as bizarre as Schuster's comments.

Both are out of whack.



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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:21 PM
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15. And if Shuster had said Mrs Obama was being pimped out,
charges of racism would be flung from here to Timbuktu,

and the call for Shuster's head would be heard on Mars



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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:39 PM
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17. Frankly...
If Obama had Michelle calling Super Delegates, I would
think that was tacky.

So, it's hard to comment.

Schuster's comment was just as tacky.

I see tacky everywhere I look, in this situation.


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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:44 PM
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18. People always call to persuade super delegates. This was about
the word pimping and if it had been said to Mrs Obama you know

damn well what would go down. Go ahead though and pretend otherwise
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:53 PM
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20. I'm not pretending at all... I think the comment...
...was wildly inappropriate and wrong.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:51 PM
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33. But he didn't say that... The situation always changes
when race gets involved. He shouldn't be punished based on hypotheticals but based on what actually happened.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:00 PM
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5. jesus fucking christ
eom
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:00 PM
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6. Your post shows why I dont like how the Clinton campaign handled this
(Or how her supporters here all followed along..)

From your post-
"Are we going to have IF Hillary is elected President THE MEDIA AND PRESS on noticed not to say anything bad about Hillary or you will be sorry. Thats being DANGEROUSLY going in the direction of a dictatorship we already have that problem with the current occupant in the White House."


Every s. i. n. g. l. e. Democrat has been frustrated and angry as hell at the way the Bush admistration intimidated the press from being honest about the things were were doing over the last 7+ years.

Now half the Democrats here are following along in lockstep as the Clinton campaign shows they will operate the SAME WAY.

Its disgusting.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:55 PM
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21. That's just ignorant......
we would be furious if he had said it about Obama's wife. It's the use of the sexist language, not the fact it was about Chelsea Clinton.

Grow up.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:02 PM
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7. He was suspended for a slur against an innocent young woman.
Had nothing to do with the Clinton candidacy. You may assume as much but that is just not the fact of the matter. Journalism is supposed to be above that. He claims he is a journalist and he is hired as a journalist.

Just desserts.

You can't argue free press and deception at the same time.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:02 PM
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8. You should have stopped at the word far.
The rest of your post is a bunch of crap as usual.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:07 PM
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10. I agree with you
It does not bode well for an open and honest relationship with the WH press corps (and the people).
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:12 PM
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12. I didn't realize Chelse was that old almost 28 DAMN time flies
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:16 PM
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13. Hate sexists as much as you hate racists.... then we can talk
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:20 PM
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14. Oh please. The media never gives the Democrats a break.
The suggestion that somehow a Democratic administration would be a dictatorship after what we've had all these years is absurd.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:22 PM
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16. Chelsea is not Hillary. Heaven knows they have attacked Hillary enough and they're still working.
Your argument is bogus.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:49 PM
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19. If someone saying that Hillary pimping her daugher isn't bad enough for you
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 06:50 PM by Tom Rinaldo
Let me try a different angle. Do you think anyone would have thought to comment that John Kerry was pimping Vanessa and Alexandra when they were out helping his campaign in 2004?

And another point. You do realize how old Chelsea is don't you? She will be 27 in a few weeks. Where on earth did Shuster get his spin that poor Chelsea was being pimped out to do campaign dirty work for Hillary? Chelsea is an adult women for god's sake who is doing political work on behalf of her mother's campaign. If she were a political son at age 27 would anyone think for an instant that she wasn't fully engaged in the political process on her own initiative rather than being "pimped out" by her mother?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:58 PM
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22. Unbelievable.... n/t
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:58 PM
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23. I think what I have learned from this is that the Clintons are making a list.
And You best NOT be on this list.

Seems like they are more interested in going after fellow Democrats than looking to the affronts afforded the Constitution by the current Administration.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:27 PM
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26. You wanna see a dictatorship?
Let Obama run a happy-talk campaign agaist the GOP, which will hand the white house to McCain for the next four years. Then we'll all get to see a dictatorship.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:36 PM
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27. it bothers me, too.
like billo hasn't said worse, but somehow he still has a job. i dunno.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:37 PM
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28. Chelsea is off limits
And the Clintons have made that known in no uncertain terms over the years. And for good reason.

If you criticize Rush for going after her, you gotta ctriticize anyone else.

And I don't even know what the "Shuster incident" was.

Keep Chelsea out of the news. She's got nothing to do with anything.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:12 PM
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30. sorry
you can't be off limits while being a very active part of a political campaign. No matter who it is.

Doesn't mean Shuster should have said what he said, but the idea of being off limits is absurd.

She's 27, not 11.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:42 PM
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29. It wasn't an appropriate comment and a public apology
is in order and that's about it (in a sane world). My take is a comment in poor taste followed by a rancor on a ridiculous level. The candidate worship is getting a little too chippy and is over the top.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:28 PM
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31. I disagree. Suspension is SO proper. I don't think he should be fired
I'm a big believer in redemption, but he SO needs to understand just how vulgar that was. He needs to really try to make it up to her -- MSNBC should as well. Good grief -- it's her daughter. That was a terrible thing to say. Sure she's Hillary, but she's a real live mother just like your own mother and mine. She feels for her child like any other woman. They really are a real family. BOUNDARIES! You can't go trespassing other people's sacred bonds.

I really like Shuster and I trust his intentions weren't malicious, but there's intent and then there's impact. I'm with Hillary on this one. This stuff doesn't just happen out of the blue. How could he even consider that would be OK to say on the air? It's because MSNBC is being so permissive with the trashtalk. MediaMatters has a whole folder of Chris Matthews clips taking such liberties with the way he talks about Hillary. They let this go on I guess to compete with Fox and Glen Beck in the race to the bottom. Well, when you don't enforce any standards or decency and let people push and push the boundaries -- someone is bound to tumble over it. Good for her. Enough is enough.


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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:49 PM
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32. You are exaggerating
First of all, you know that many bad things have been said about Hillary, and she let it go. Sometimes people take abuse for so long.

To say that she would have issue with "anything" is an exaggeration. You make it seem as if Hillary condemns comments against her or her family EVERY day.
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