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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:00 PM
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If Hillary is the savvy, experienced politician, the one who knows how
things really work, the one who really knows how to win, the one who is the hard-headed realist, the one who knows how to get things done, the one who knows how to manage a large organization, the one who has the powerful connections to defeat the repugs, the one who is the seasoned veteran who is on top of everything, the one we can trust to manage the economy, then why is she losing and broke?

Losing to a guy most people knew little about until recently, a guy with no experience, nothing more than a street organizer, a nice talker, naive, head-in-the-clouds, a guy that is so woefully in over his head that the repugs will kill him, a guy that has none of Hillary's amazing experience that has taught her how to win in the hardball game of politics.

If Hillary is so good, why is she losing?

When I heard Howard Dean say in 2004, a couple days after Iowa, that the campaign was near broke, it shattered his message. "You can't trust a republican with your money!" I believed it, but Howard showed that he couldn't handle his own campaign money properly.

Hillary's campaign going broke and having staff go unpaid collapses the entire premise of Hillary's campaign. Her experience has been shown to be a fraud. Whatever her actual experience is, it doesn't seem to be the kind of experience that is needed.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:03 PM
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1. it's amazing what the corporate media can do with an empty suit
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:04 PM by billbuckhead
but they still couldn't win California! Viva Hillarios!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:05 PM
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3. Hey it worked to get Bill elected in 92, dont knock it
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:06 PM
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4. Yeah elected 4 times as governor of a red state
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:24 PM
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13. Back then they weren't called red states. nt
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:23 PM
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12. If Hillary's such an experienced politician, why does she not know how to use the
media? If the media is so all-important, and she can't get them to be favorable to her, you are arguing that her experience has failed spectacularly in reversing this. So why should we vote for her?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:04 PM
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2. The curtain has been drawn back
K&R
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:07 PM
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5. "If Hillary is so good, why is she losing?"
Beeecause she...isn't?

Y'know, the Obama supportingis great, the rah-rahing is repetitive, but still ok.

But the sycophantic lying? I can do without your kind. Seriously.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:18 PM
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11. Yes, she's losing in pledged delegates. You can argue she's ahead when you count
unpledged super delegates, but as Donna Brasile made clear today, it is highly unlikely the supers will reverse the will of the voters.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419475
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:26 PM
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14. Disingenuous bullshit yet again
That the O-Bots can sit here and blithely discount the parts of the electorate that they don't like, and keep a straight face while doing it, is amazing.

Superdelegates aren't unicorns; they do exist, their vote counts, and they are in no way obligated to follow along with what the other 80% goes for. They vote for whoever they choose to vote for, same as you or I.

Summation; suck it up.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:08 PM
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6. Because she's not losing? nt
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:10 PM
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7. Umm..
Yes, she is losing momentum. Yes, she is losing money. Yes, she is bound to lose a few states in the upcoming days.

Obama and Clinton are in a dead heat, but Obama is gaining money, he is gaining momentum, and he will win quite a few states in the next few days.

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:13 PM
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8. Dean had the most money and lost
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:14 PM by billbuckhead
:+bama is now the limosine liberal/NPR/General Electric establishment candidate.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:15 PM
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9. False
He was broke after Iowa.

Raising the most money is not just about one large sum at the start of the campaign, but a consistent flow throughout the campaign.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:15 PM
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10. No truer words
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:11 AM
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15. Because her experience is about something other than beating OTHER DEMOCRATS.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 12:12 AM by lvx35
Its about beating Republicans, and helping this country.
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