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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:12 AM
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The margin between Clinton and Obama in Calif is only 10% with 95% reporting
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:13 AM
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1. So much for Oprah ....
Only 10%? Two days ago you guys were in here screaming that he was going to sweep Cali...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:15 AM
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4.  bzzzzt. I wasn't saying he'd win and neither were the majority of
Obama supporters. In fact, I've never predicted anything but a win for Clinton in CA. And even an idiot can tell that he made enormous gains in CA in the last couple of weeks- whether Oprah had anything to do with it is unknowable. Duh.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:16 AM
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5. "You guys"
You got a link for that? I remember most people(Obama supporters) saying that it would be close, and Hillary would probably win because of early voters.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:19 AM
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8. Typical Clinton campaign response - "Divide & Conquer"
Sorry, but if you look back through the posts yesterday, most of us Obama supporters were very weary of the Zogby numbers. Most, if not all, of us thought that Cali would be close but Hillary would probably win it. Sure, some were happy to see the Zogby numbers but the majority of us know that polls are unpredictable and the smartest amongst us don't even trust them.

Congrats to the Clinton camp for their wins and congrats for making yourselves look like the pompous jerks that will kiss the Clinton ring.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:14 AM
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28. I fully expected him to lose. Remember all the early voting? I just wanted him 60-40 at worst.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:14 AM
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2. Obama got around 40%+ in the big states!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:14 AM
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3. ONLY 10%?
That's like half a million votes, no?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:21 AM
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10. 375,009 votes
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:48 AM
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21. It's all relative, isn't it. n/t
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:16 AM
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6. ha so much for the +13 from Zogby - She took Cali proudly
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:20 AM
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9. That's a 23% error!!!! This can only be corrupt.
I think the DNC needs to get on top of this.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:47 AM
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19. 4 people in my family tried to vote (for Obama) and all had ballot/polling problems = no votes 4 BO
and they are spread out all over the state.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:17 AM
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7. Looks like at least one of the polls was accurate
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:23 AM
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12. That poll was laughed at too.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:13 AM
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27. Now it's gospel
"Oh, see, she was expected to win"

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:43 AM
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16. So she was favored all along?
I agree.

No upset here.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:44 AM
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18. Yep. Unless you like Zogby or Rasmussen or others
This was the only somewhat accurate poll.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:48 AM
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20. Right, so nobody should be surprised she won California by 10%
She had a lock on the state for a year, at least.

Which begs the question of the general excitement over an utterly expected result.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:06 AM
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26. lol
spin cycle on dry
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:31 AM
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29. What spin? They're your own claims!
"So she was favored all along. No upset here."

You: "Yep."

The poll showing her up by 10% was, in YOUR WORDS, "accurate."

So where's the spin?

:rofl:

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:57 AM
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33. I was being sarcastic
Survey USA was the ONLY poll that had Hillary up!!!!

Jiminy crickets - here - I copied the RCP numbers for you since you obviously are spinning without wanting to fact check:

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:12 PM
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34. Oh fer fuck's sake
Typical goalpost moving. sarcastic my right foot.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:27 PM
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36. Facts
You misunderstood, and as usual, have never once admitted you are wrong - and apparently never will. :hi:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:36 PM
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38. I don't admit I'm wrong when I'm not
And my interlocutor is a fucking liar. Ya got caught out there, and now you're like "Oh, me, I was kidding." Normal people would be ashamed of such tactics.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:40 PM
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39. So when I pointed out that ONLY ONE poll showed her ahead. UNLESS YOU LOOK AT ZOGBY , RASMUSSEN and
others - you were somehow not "getting it".

I am baffled at your intransigence - it's bizarre!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:23 AM
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11. Only? 10% is almost 400,000 votes. Yeah, that's a close margin.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:25 AM
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15. Delegates likely to be closer. Haven't seen delegates awarded for CA yet. n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:43 AM
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17. Obama won Cook County by almost 400,000 votes
Just sayin'...
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:24 AM
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13. CNN still lists no delegates awarded. Is it that complicated?
370 delegates is a large number. Is an estimate of about 200 Clinton, 170 Obama about right, or impossible to tell?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:25 AM
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14. It is district based so that adds a bit of complication to the math.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:50 AM
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22. so hispanic inability to vote for a certain people, saved hill
figures...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:55 AM
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23. Is that any different than African American 'inability to vote for a certain people' which favors
Obama?
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:02 AM
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24. Not so simple
Political culture makes it difficult for people of minorities to bridge the gaps between themselves. Most minorities are, in one way or other, in pursuit of whiteness--not literally, of course, but trying to integrate into a society framed by a Anglo-American bourgeoisie. Choosing certain candidates allows them to affirm this process, at least for themselves. The Hispanic population may have 'saved' Hillary, but not necessarily in the sense of a black vs. brown antagonism.

(Disclosure: I am Latino, and I voted for Obama.)
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LA RAZA LATINA Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:03 AM
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25. So hispanics who did not vote for Mr.Obama are racist?
I voted for clinton becasue I like what she has done for us. We don't for color,or how they talk spanish, or eat tacos. We vote for those who represent us. The media thinks all hispanics want illegals here,turn the USA to mexico, and those who don't vote for a black man we are racist. Some may but not all of us. We are just like everyone else. But the media cannot seem to understand that we love America too.
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:35 AM
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30. African Americans inability to see anything but Skin color benefited obama?
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:35 AM by REDFISHBLUEFISH
Thats your argument applied to your own candidate!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:39 AM
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31. "Only 10%"???? In general elections they call that a "MANDATE". n/t
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:46 AM
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32. In the general election, you don't lose as many states as Hillary did and make it out alive...
:hi:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:27 PM
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40. Why is it that Obama supporters on DU always answer by changing the subject?
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 01:28 PM by Seabiscuit
Non Sequitur seems to reign as "first principle" in their arguments.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:15 PM
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35. AND Obama has the OVERALL delegate lead!
It's not the states that count... It's the delegates. And if it wasn't for the absentee ballots, he probably could have pulled it out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:30 PM
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37. Independent voters were screwed in California and they
seem to back Obama. I wonder how many votes that cost.
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