Clinton healthcare payroll deduction

[radfringe]

"series-ly".. payroll deduction for healthcare? we've got that now, a company that pays 100% benefits for health insurance is a very rare bird. I've worked for companies that have paid in the range of 75%-80%, with a co-pay DEDUCTED from my paycheck for the balance. I have also worked for companies where health insurance is offered, but the company kicks in nothing, and I have the full amount deducted from my paycheck.

I've also worked for companies where there is NO healthcare benefits at all. SOL, for health insurance.

Freaking Mittens made it a LAW in Massachusetts making health insurance mandatory for everyone, and I believe it provides for payroll deductions.

so what the hell is the difference whether the government deducts for healthcare, or employer deducts for healthcare?

let's set aside this issue for now and get to the really important concerns like crying, smoking or coughing :evilgrin:

[sandnsea]

1. Choice

And deducting money from paychecks doesn't provide health care to every American anyway.

[Uben]

2. You are right

....there are provisions for those who do not work

[sandnsea]

5. How are you going to mandate them?

Attach their checking accounts? Put them in jail?

:shrug:

The mandates are a recipe for disaster. You have to have a program that everybody can easily join first. Let people know it's nothing to fear. Then you do any mandating if it's necessary. It's common sense if you're thinking about people and not policy papers.

[radfringe]

3. little choice now

if any

healthcare plans decide which doctors you can see, procedures/specialists all need pre-approval, have to fight to get certain procedures/presciptions, some states require employer to provide 2-3 healthplan options, others don't

current system doesn't provide health insurance to every American either...

[sandnsea]

4. Bad plans, high costs

That's why the solution is to create a subsidized system and regulate what every insurance plan has to provide. Mandates aren't going to do anything except rally all kinds of voters to defeat Hillary, as if they needed a lot of reason to rally against her.

[radfringe]

6. also in talking points

need to make distinction between health CARE and health INSURANCE.

for most of us the health INSURANCE companies dictate the level of health CARE we can have and/or afford

bushies are fond of blaming health care/insurance costs on lawsuits. but that's only a teeny bit of the problem. if insurance companies are losing their shirt on malpractice suits - why are they still insuring doctors/medical professionals who have a track record of being sued for malpractice?

the problem is for-profit health care/insurance. the only way an insurance company makes money is to take in more premium payments than it pays out in claims. to boost profits, insurance companies cut back on 'approved' services or eliminate them, raise the premiums and other co-pays. this is not healthcare, it's profitcare.

[sandnsea]

7. Universal Health CARE

would be a card in the mail that guarantees that you can see a doctor and get full treatment and not be bankrupted. Nobody is offering that.

As long as insurance companies are in the picture, I think we've got to regulate the benefits and premiums, and make sure they have to fight to stay in business and not have a guaranteed gravy train. That's all I think a mandate would end up being. I've got no idea how much money they're making off the Medicare mandates. Somebody should probably do the math, that's exactly what Hillary is talking about doing.