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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:31 PM
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100 New York Feminists oppose Hillary and endorse Obama
Feminist Leaders Oppose Hillary, Endorse Obama

Posted February 3, 2008 |

More than 100 New York feminist leaders released a joint statement Sunday afternoon criticizing Hillary Clinton
and supporting Obama for president - evidence that Clinton's support among women activists has declined significantly
in the days before the super-Tuesday primary.

Clinton's support for the war in Iraq was the leading reason she lost the support of the group,
which calls itself "New York Feminists for Peace and Barack Obama!" "We urgently
need a presidential candidate whose first priority is to address domestic needs," the group added."

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Choosing to support Senator Obama was not an easy decision for us," the group stated, "because electing
a woman president would be a cause for celebration in itself." They "deplored" the "sexist attacks
against Senator Clinton that have circulated in the media." But, they stated, they nevertheless supported
Obama because his election "would be another historic achievement" and because "his support for gender
equality has been unwavering."

The group based their opposition to Clinton on "her seven-year record as senator."
Despite her recent pledges to remove troops from Iraq, the group stated, Clinton's
"record of embracing military solutions and the foreign policy advisers she has selected
make us doubt that she will end this calamitous war."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/feminist-leade...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:33 PM
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1. ruh roh, Shaggy.....
Hillary's coalition is cracking....
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:35 PM
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3. I was surprised to see that in NJ...
polls only show her leading the "women vote" by 9%. I would've expected more in her own backyard.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:34 PM
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2. Not fer nuthin'
But 100 Feminists in NY is like the same percentage as 100 grains of rice in a 5lb bag of rice.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM
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13. Would you call these women grains of rice?
Those endorsing Obama include longtime peace activist Cora Weiss; Katha Pollitt,
columnist for The Nation; Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times writer Margo Jefferson;
ward-winning women's rights historians Alice Kessler Harris and Linda Gordon;
Barbara Weinstein, president of the American Historical Association, and Ellen P. Chapnick,
Dean for Social Justice Initiatives at Columbia Law School.



You did not read the article. You fell into this one with your quick response.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:42 PM
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16. Mostly because
I wanted a subject header where I could use "not fer nuthin'"

It's a very good endorsement for Obama :)


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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:45 PM
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19. is that how you talk in New York these days?
:)
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:46 PM
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21. I'm a Brooklyn Gal
Gotta problem wit 'dat?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:46 AM
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33. No problem,
I am from Kentucky and you know how we talk down here. LOL
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:35 PM
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4. That'll leave a mark.
Ouch.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:38 PM
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8. Who cares?
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:36 PM
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5. Feminists for Obama! That's is going to seal the deal!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 PM
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22. it's a good think he trusts them to be prayerful if they are considering abortion. thank goodness...
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 PM by annie1
barack trusts us females, ohhhh, *swoon*.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:21 AM
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31. You know what, I'm an atheist who has had an abortion and I'm glad he said that
In fact I posted an OP about it a couple of months ago.

He was talking to evangelical Christians. Believe it or not, Christian women have abortions too. All the time. For health reasons and otherwise. Some of them probably struggle with guilt over it because of the rhetoric they hear in their community about it. I hope that what Barack said on the 700 Club was heard by some of them that day, and that they knew that someone understood what they had gone through and trusted them to make the right decision.

I'm not offended by it because I know that he wasn't talking to me that day. If Barack Obama and I were close friends and I confided in him that I was considering an abortion, I seriously doubt he would advise me to pray about it, knowing that I'm an atheist.

I don't think Hillary Clinton would either. I believe both our candidates are very good at tailoring their messages to the people they are talking to. Let's give them both some credit for knowing what they are doing on stuff like this.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:37 PM
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6. GOOD for them
NOW and their letter demanding support has been flushed

and add another 1 in AZ

over 101 and counting!!!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:38 PM
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7. I wonder if NY NOW will attack them as traitors now.
lol.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:44 AM
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32. Will Now call them self-hating women?
They must be. I mean endorsing a man and all. :sarcasm:
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rumpycrunch Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:38 PM
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36. Hahaha, thats what I thought, too
Oh no! Women who can think for themselves! Traitors!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:39 PM
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9. Cue the shillarys...Down with NY Feminists!
"The group based their opposition to Clinton on "her seven-year record as senator." Despite her recent pledges to remove troops from Iraq, the group stated, Clinton's "record of embracing military solutions and the foreign policy advisers she has selected make us doubt that she will end this calamitous war."

The group supported Obama not only for his positions on the war and gender equality, but also because of "the dramatic engagement of young people" with his campaign.

This group joins other prominent feminist leaders who have turned against Hillary and endorsed Obama, including Kate Michelman, president for 20 years of NARAL Pro-Choice America, the country's leading reproductive rights group, and Ellen Bravo, former director of 9to5, the National Association of Working Women."


These women see what's goin' on..I hope the majority in the country catches up.

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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM
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10. Thank you for standing up. HRC is status quo.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM
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11. They get it.
Not just Iraq but Iran too. Not good. They are NOT identical policy-wise.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 PM
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12. Not leaders, just individuals
I don't recognize any of them as leaders of groups, most appear to be individuals who signed the online petition.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm sure Obama has some feminists who support him, but not in great numbers, and certainly not any real organizational leaders.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:51 PM
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25. I have never heard of one of these women.
I wonder if they are a bunch of Republicans pretending to be feminists? Nothing wrong with that - it is what Obama is trying to attract.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:35 PM
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34. They're just women.
Not important women.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:37 PM
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35. What are you talking about "just women"
That could be construed to be sexist. If you read the article they are leaders, strong feminist leaders.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:14 PM
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37. I should have used the sarcasm smiley
sorry. I thought about it and didn't, but I should have.

I was reacting sarcastically to the comment above which basically stated that these women weren't leaders of anything

It just goes to show that the real enemy are the artificial heirarchies we use to confer greater knowledge and understanding to people who are no wiser or better than we are.

They may be women, but their opinions aren't as important, because they are not individuals presuming to speak for large organizations and all of their members. They don't have an "official capacity" that the above poster recognizes.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:25 PM
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43. Thanks for the explanation.
I agree with your points.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:41 PM
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14. Gobama!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:41 PM
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15. awe. :(. that makes me really sad. i'm a female in ny and i'm really...
sorry to hear that. pretty pathetic actually considering they think the first priority is domestic needs, and that is exactly what hillary is all about, but that they her support for the war (which is not domestic) is what lost her their support. I'm really sad to hear that. She has had nothing but hardline support for womens rights her entire life, this makes me sad.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:43 PM
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17. Murdering half a million Iraqi women is not exactly hardline support
for women's rights. Right now domestic needs are NOT a first priority. It's pretty clear.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:44 PM
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18. she murdered half a million women! omg! call the police! Give them Kerry's address too! and Biden's!
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:45 PM by annie1
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:02 AM
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28. Your post is so disrespectful to
all the dead Soliers and Iraqis who died for the stupid politicians.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:00 AM
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27. annie, it sounds like you would like to rationalize her vote away.
Human life and human rights are what women must stand for first.

The war impacts our abilities to care for our own. How many children have enough to eat?
How many women can afford college to get ahead in life. We are denying our own because
of this unnecessary war.

We are destroying Iraq, because of this unnecessary war. You cannot separate our domestic needs
from the drain on our country that this war has been and will be for the rest of our lives.

And this does not consider the suffering of the woman who serve and who were wounded or killed. Or the women
and children whose lives have been damaged by the lose of their fathers, or husbands, or brothers.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:20 PM
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42. Spending on war means no money for domestic needs
That is the unavoidable equation here.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:45 PM
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20. I'm willing to bet that there are a few women in NY who ARE going to vote for her.
We'll know soon enough. ;)
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 PM
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23. So are these women "gangraping" Hillary?
Has the NY chapter of NOW weighed in on these traitors yet? :shrug:
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:50 PM
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24. Here are several more endorsements
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:52 PM
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26. You mean a group called "New York Feminists for Peace and Barack Obama!" actually ENDORSED Obama?!?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:05 AM
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29. YES!!! Finally feminists coming out for Obama and who know Obama would be a better president
for women!! I hope more feminists see the light.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:08 AM
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30. Interesting - they oppose her because of her vote for the war.
She just can't explain that away satisfactorily.


---snip---

Clinton's support for the war in Iraq was the leading reason she lost the support of the group, which calls itself "New York Feminists for Peace and Barack Obama!" "We urgently need a presidential candidate whose first priority is to address domestic needs," the group added.

Those endorsing Obama include longtime peace activist Cora Weiss; Katha Pollitt, columnist for The Nation; Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times writer Margo Jefferson; award-winning women's rights historians Alice Kessler Harris and Linda Gordon; Barbara Weinstein, president of the American Historical Association, and Ellen P. Chapnick, Dean for Social Justice Initiatives at Columbia Law School.

***

The group based their opposition to Clinton on "her seven-year record as senator." Despite her recent pledges to remove troops from Iraq, the group stated, Clinton's "record of embracing military solutions and the foreign policy advisers she has selected make us doubt that she will end this calamitous war."

***

This group joins other prominent feminist leaders who have turned against Hillary and endorsed Obama, including Kate Michelman, president for 20 years of NARAL Pro-Choice America, the country's leading reproductive rights group, and Ellen Bravo, former director of 9to5, the National Association of Working Women.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/feminist-leade...



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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:49 PM
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38. K&R. (nt)
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:55 PM
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39. NOW Political Action Committee Proudly Endorses Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for President
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:58 PM
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40. This stands in very sharp contrast to remarks by Marcia Pappas last
week regarding the Kennedy endorsement of Sen. Obama as opposed to Sen. Clinton.

These folks' feminist creds appear to me to be just about unassailable.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:39 PM
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41. kick
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:30 PM
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44. Hope NYC has a great
showing for Obama tomorrow!
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