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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:10 PM
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Saul Alinksi, Mike Kruglik, and Obama, the Master of Agitation....
1. I don't care if this is older, it needs to be revisited.
2. I don't care about the source, I happen to agree.
3. I believe this is how he gets into people's heads.



One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

"The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease. In these methods, euphemistically labeled "community organizing," Obama had a four-year education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere."

<snip>
Perhaps Hillary will win some states and stay in the game a while longer, but I fear this knight with his adoring, fawning followers is just too slick for her and ole Bill, and he seems to know how to play Alinsky ends-and-means hardball without actually breaking the law.

http://www.brookesnews.com/081401obama.html


A very interesting story...much more at link.

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:14 PM
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1. "Obama Not Starry-Eyed Like His Followers"
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:15 PM by kurth
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run"

'Nuf said.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:18 PM
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2. congratulations, I just lost all respect for you. Enjoy swiftboating a fellow democrat. I hope it's
worth it.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:20 PM
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3. with all due respect..the continued "swift boating" of Hillary is rampant here
did I miss you losing respect for those posters?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:25 PM
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6. Let me guess....
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:34 PM by 1corona4u
someone lost respect for me, because I hapen to agree with this;

One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the "realization" that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent "self-interest" in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease."



I don't agree with all of the article, but I do think this is how Obama gets into people's heads.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:30 PM
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14. So, are you saying that we don't have an unresponsive govts. or greedy corporartions?
K
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:36 PM
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16. I thought I was clear with the intent of the post.
It's strictly about Obama, and him being the "Master Agitator". Nothing more. The rest of the article, I have no comment on, one way or the other.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:49 PM
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20. No, you weren't clear
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:52 PM
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21. Bullshit.
I guess you missed the points BEFORE the C&P.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:56 PM
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22. Do you ever stop cursing?
My goodness, what is wrong with you. I said it wasn't clear and it obviously was not clear to others. Deal with it.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:58 PM
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23. What is wrong with me??
What's wrong with the Obama supporters?? That's what I'd like to know....they act like Obama is God.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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25. Oh stop, no one acts like he is God
I asked you a question and you informed me that I misread your post. Stop with the stupid analogies. For the record I've also made posts supportive of Hillary.

This board is so antagonistic. Every one is looking for a fight.
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:20 PM
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4. How is this any worse than threads that ask when Aipac is going to endorse Hillary?
Obama supporters sure love to give it, but they can't take it.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:23 PM
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5. Psst..(It's only an outrage when its directed at Obama)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:27 PM
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9. Yeah, well, they need to
stop being so God damn arrogant.

They act like no one has a right to be on this planet, but their chosen one.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:29 PM
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12. I agree....
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:27 PM
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10. I just alerted that thread, hadn't seen it yet. DID you?
:puke:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:40 PM
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17. It's not....
but it's not favorable....so you know...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:25 PM
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7. Joe McCarthy, is that you? nt
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:25 PM
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8. I'm not going to bother with this but I will comment that it is a sad,
sad day when a (formerly) progressive website starts bashing Saul Alinski. Somebody sure has taken a wrong turn in their fervor to back their candidate and bash her opponent by demonizing Saul Alinski. No further comment.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:28 PM
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11. Who's bashing Saul??
I didn't see it that way at all. Nice spin though.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:30 PM
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13. I apologize if that was not your intent
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:33 PM
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15. I actually took the time to read up on him....
and nothing I read, or thought, was bad at all. I just thought Mike Kruglik was dead on with his assesment of Obama. I have wondered for SO long how Obama was getting in people's heads, and I think this is it.

Nothing bad to say about Saul, at all.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:41 PM
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18. Well that's good. Saul was a great man and a fierce fighter for social
justice all his life. Hated and feared by the right wing and corporate interests. He both literally and figuratively wrote the book of community organizing. He's a particular hero of mine and if Obama is a (generation removed) disciple then he has just gone way up in my respect and admiration

Those who want to know about a great man should Google Saul Alinski and read up a bit.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:42 PM
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19. Yes, he was.
:-)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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24. k
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:37 PM
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26. i think hillary has a saul problem....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388394 /
How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis - Hillary Clinton News- msnbc.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372 /
Reading Hillary Clinton's hidden thesis - Hillary Clinton News- msnbc.com

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19734
Hillary's Wellesley Thesis Shows Want of an Enemy - HUMAN EVENTS

funny thing is that repudiates saul and his methods in that paper
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:48 AM
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28. Is Hillary the agitator?
I don't think so....
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 AM
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27. Kicking for the Sunday crowd...
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synesthesia Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:41 PM
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29. *
What's interesting is that Obama and Hillary are both Chicago democrats with roots to Alinsky, both more intellectuals than true politicians in the Bill/Edwards mold, both introverts, etc.

they have A LOT in common, and I imagine, they could be great friends and have amazing conversations

it's interesting
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