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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:15 PM
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Feminists for Hillary...a piece by Robin Morgan
"And goodbye to the ageism . . .

How dare anyone unilaterally decide when to turn the page on history, papering over real inequities and suffering constituencies in the promise of a feel-good campaign? How dare anyone claim to unify while dividing, or think that to rouse US youth from torpor it’s useful to triage the single largest demographic in this country’s history: the boomer generation--the majority of which is female?

Older woman are the one group that doesn’t grow more conservative with age—and we are the generation of radicals who said “Well-behaved women seldom make history.” Goodbye to going gently into any goodnight any man prescribes for us. We are the women who changed the reality of the United States. And though we never went away, brace yourselves: we’re back!

We are the women who brought this country equal credit, better pay, affirmative action, the concept of a family-focused workplace; the women who established rape-crisis centers and battery shelters, marital-rape and date-rape laws; the women who defended lesbian custody rights, who fought for prison reform, founded the peace and environmental movements; who insisted that medical research include female anatomy, who inspired men to become more nurturing parents, who created women’s studies and Title IX so we all could cheer the WNBA stars and Mia Hamm. We are the women who reclaimed sexuality from violent pornography, who put child care on the national agenda, who transformed demographics, artistic expression, language itself. We are the women who forged a worldwide movement. We are the proud successors of women who, though it took more than 50 years, won us the vote.

We are the women who now comprise the majority of US voters.

Hillary said she found her own voice in New Hampshire. There’s not a woman alive who, if she’s honest, doesn’t recognize what she means. Then HRC got drowned out by campaign experts, Bill, and media’s obsession with All Things Bill.

So listen to her voice:

“For too long, the history of women has been a history of silence. Even today, there are those who are trying to silence our words.

“It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls. It is a violation of human rights when woman and girls are sold into the slavery of prostitution. It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small. It is a violation of human rights when individual women are raped in their own communities and when thousands of women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war. It is a violation of human rights when a leading cause of death worldwide along women ages 14 to 44 is the violence they are subjected to in their own homes. It is a violation of human rights when women are denied the right to plan their own families, and that includes being forced to have abortions or being sterilized against their will.

“Women’s rights are human rights. Among those rights are the right to speak freely--and the right to be heard.”

That was Hillary Rodham Clinton defying the US State Department and the Chinese Government at the 1995 UN World Conference on Women in Beijing (the full, stunning speech: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm).

And this voice, age 22, in “Commencement Remarks of Hillary D. Rodham, President of Wellesley College Government Association, Class of 1969” (full speech: http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html)

http://www.womensmediacenter.com/
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:18 PM
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1. powerful piece.
Moving.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:20 PM
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3. Please spread it far and wide......
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:19 PM
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2. Love it! Everytime I say that, they call me a sexist!
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:20 PM by demo dutch
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:38 PM
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4. Thanks for posting.
If women vote their self-interest they will vote for Clinton.

If they don't vote their self-interest they will vote for someone who has little interest in them.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:42 PM
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5. Nice To Hear From Ms. Morgan, Captain
She is an old favorite of mine from way back in the day....
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:59 PM
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40. She is still kicking ass.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:34 PM
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6. Step off, Robin Morgan
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:37 PM by thecatburgler
The excerpt you included especially irritates me.

How dare anyone unilaterally decide when to turn the page on history, papering over real inequities and suffering constituencies in the promise of a feel-good campaign? How dare anyone claim to unify while dividing, or think that to rouse US youth from torpor it’s useful to triage the single largest demographic in this country’s history: the boomer generation--the majority of which is female?

In other words: "How DARE that young upstart run against my candidate! And get votes! The nerve!" Hey Robin, young people are allowed to vote, no matter how much that bothers you.

Whiny entitlement from a Clintonista, disguised as feminism. And frankly unbelievable in the breadth of it's arrogance. What proof does she offer to justify her claim that Obama, by rousing the youth vote, is cutting off older women? In a word, none. The fact that the Clintons are running a shit campaign that doesn't attract people outside of a few demographics and core constituencies, and that they are even pissing some of those people off, is not anyone's fault but theirs.


Furthermore, Morgan is perpetuating the same false notion Steinem did in her earlier op-ed. That is, that the overwhelming support of older women for Clinton stems from them becoming more "radical" with age. Pffft. That may be the consensus in the elite circles that Steinem and Morgan travel. And as is typical of elitists they extrapolate their own experience universally. I know that some Boomer and senior women are excited about the idea of voting for a woman but just as many are doing it for other reasons. Like they don't know enough about the other candidates. Or they want Bill back. Or because she reminds them of themselves. Or because they like her policies. Or myriad other things. Some of which are not exactly what you'd call high-minded and egalitarian. For example, I seriously doubt the 2 women I met while volunteering in NV who said they were caucusing for Clinton because they thought Obama was a Muslim were operating from a radical feminist worldview when they made their selection. It's just as stupid to generalize about older women as a group as it is any other and I can't believe that feminist leaders would be doing that.

Finally, who the FUCK is Robin Morgan to tell other women how to vote? Articles like this one and Steinem's come off as condescending and patronizing as all hell. I am not the only feminist who feels this way, by far. I volunteer for Obama with a good number of women of all ages. We are plenty disenchanted by some of our "sisters" right now. To a woman, we resent this attempt to coopt our feminism in order to shove the most status quo candidate down our throats. If you want to support Clinton, fine. That's your right but don't come off telling me it's the only feminist choice.

Flame away. I give a shit not.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:44 PM
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14. Wow, that's unifying. I think you are rather anti-feminist. And if you like your birth control,
equal pay, power to take a boss to court for not promoting you when a lesser skilled man gets promoted...then maybe you should read a little more history.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:58 PM
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:56 PM
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36. I see your pink triangle. Might warm your hear to know that the feminist movement created self help
for women in regards to their health care. It was that self help movement's framework that lesbians used (and lesbians were at the heart of the feminist movement) in helping gay men through the AIDS crisis.
and as far as the asshole comment. I am alerting your post to the moderator
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:02 PM
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41. You have yet to convince me why any of this means I must vote for Clinton.
As for alerting me to the moderator, I find your calling me an anti-feminist every bit as offensive. Yet I'm sure your insulting comment will stay.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:33 PM
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46. Is that a dig at the moderator? Hillary is a feminist. Her work with women and children
is huge. She doesn't sling male-dominated religious language. She has a track record. The republicans are afraid to run McCain against her.

Obama is Nader in slicker clothes.


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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:50 PM
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47. No, it's a dig at you.
Everything else you said in that post is bullshit.

Clinton is every bit the God-bag that Obama is. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Obama also has a track record. The GOP is terrified of running against Obama and salivating to run against Clinton (well-connected Republicans I know have told me as much). Nader gets less than 5% of the vote in every state he runs in.

Next.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 PM
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25. how about holding a man responsible
for humiliating you throughout his marriage to you with his sexual escapades
that had affairs for years with several women and quickies with many more
that made unwanted sexual advances to many women

that intimidated and humiliated those women into silence for political reasons, with your help

if that is a "feminist" who would possibly ever want to be one? Not me.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:54 PM
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35. I know people try and paint Bill's sex with Monica as a feminist issue but, its a private issue. And
I don't judge my politicians on their sex life becasue its none of my business.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:06 PM
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42. And my vote is no one's business
Yet some so-called "feminists" seem to think it is.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:01 AM
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53. You make it public
When you discuss it on a public message board.

What is your reason for posting here if not to influence people's votes, or try to keep others from influencing them?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:09 PM
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43. Wrong, it is a matter of public record
A public record that should have been exposed in Arkansas.

It is a much longer list than the 18 month affair with Monica, it goes all the way back to before they got married. But you know that.

You endorse her intimidating the women Bill had affairs with so they could continue in public office? You are real advocate for women...I think not, you are serving your own political agenda.

You are saying that she will stand up for women's rights in public when she hasn't done it in her own personal life? Heh, you may buy that, I don't.

Sorry, I don't buy the hypocrisy.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:55 AM
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52. Right wing bullshit
The only "public record" in Arkansas is the Scaife/American Spectator "Arkansas Project."

Tell me, do you order your tapes from Rush's show directly, or are they circulated thru your church group?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:08 AM
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54. try reading - the Clinton books or Carl Bernstein
you don't have to go to RW media, the Clinton's gave all the ammo for them, I don't feel sorry for them

Arkansas had posted "sexual predator" signs also
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:22 PM
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7. An uplifting article
I can really appreciate the womens movement. You've come a long way. I believe Hillary throughout her career has fought for the voice of women and when she becomes commander-in-chief the proverbial "Glass Ceiling" will have been broken. I feel women will become equal to men, they will have the same job opportunities as men with equal pay, and, so many more equal opportunities for women which will be a focal point in her administration. I am a proud supporter of hers and have been for many years. I look forward to the day I can actually call her Madame President. I think everyone should send this out to every women you know and tell them to forward to every woman they know. If not, there may not be another opportunity for a woman to have the chance to become president for many years, if ever.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:28 PM
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11. "there may not be another opportunity for a woman to have the chance..."
Sad to see the Clintons exploiting the women's movement to keep their power. Even sadder to see people allowing themselves to be fooled.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:23 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:24 PM
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9. This "older" woman absolutely will NOT vote based on gender.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:25 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:30 PM
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12. Sorry, not married. Happily single and still not voting on gender.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:40 PM
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13. Women usually are other women's worst enemy. n/t
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:53 PM
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17. Truer words have never been spoken.
:hi:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:03 PM
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20. Not supporting Clinton = enemy of other women.
Nice. :eyes:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:11 PM
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22. If the high heel fits........
:P
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:11 PM
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23. I like you!!
:loveya:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:42 PM
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33. Back at ya!
:toast:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 PM
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26. Bite me.
And you're on ignore now because I don't appreciate being told what to do by another woman.

Feminism is about respecting other women's choices.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:41 PM
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32. No thanks....
I'm torn up that I'm on your ignore list. Really.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:52 PM
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:48 PM
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15. This is the Hillary I know and love.....
..........and I am getting fed up with some Democrats trashing her at every opportunity.

GO HILLARY!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:51 PM
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16. Awesome post! Too bad so many prefer the works of Phyllis Schlafly around here.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 09:52 PM by goldcanyonaz
:thumbsup:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:02 PM
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19. Not supporting Clinton = Phyllis Schlafly.
But Phyllis is a woman so we have to support her too, right? :eyes:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:06 PM
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21. The point was obviously missed on you, and I'm sure you have not seen any overt sexism in regards to
Clinton either.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:15 PM
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24. Yes I have seen the sexism against her for years.
I find it just as repulsive as I find that kind of stuff against myself or any other woman. I can be offended by the misogyny and speak out against it. But that doesn't mean I have to vote for her. Morgan and other feminist leaders are crossing the line when they demand that I overlook HRC's rather serious flaws as a candidate because she's a woman. I am frankly shocked by some of the stuff coming out of the feminist community these days: The press releases from the NY NOW president, the responses to leaders who endorsed Obama, the smearing and distorting of Obama's record on choice.

Did any of you support Carol Mosely Braun this ardently when she was running?
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:58 PM
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38. Thanks!
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:22 PM
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27. Wait a minute
"There’s not a woman alive who, if she’s honest, doesn’t recognize what she means."

I'm a woman, I'm alive, and I'm honest, and I didn't recognize what she means.

She's 60 years old. She was First Lady of the United States for eight years and a US Senator for six. If she's just now finding her voice....

Shit, "finding my voice" was what I went to college for. I did. Good luck shutting me up now.

And yes, feminism was and is still crucial to that finding. I don't disagree with a damn thing Morgan says about that and about our history. But the right to vote, just like the right to reproductive self-determination, is all about choice, and choice is best exercised without the guilt-trips.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:29 AM
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48. I wasted a lot of words trying to say what you just said, brilliantly.
:thumbsup:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:26 PM
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28. Well-behaved women seldom make history - Hillary is history
Hillary has made history, nothing that impresses me

turn the page? YES WE CAN!

That from a 49 year old white woman that has been a single mother with a handicapped child since I was 16, from a woman's lib background.

These 'feminist' that insist I owe Hillary a vote are not any one I want to be associated with. It is sexist to tell me to vote for a woman just because she is a woman.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:29 PM
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29. Hillary is the history of the future that I'm going to help write on Feb 5th.
That from a 30 year old black woman whose family were fighters for the ERA amendment.

I'm proud to support Hillary Clinton for the President of the United States.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:33 PM
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31. I applaud your decision if it isn't based on the sex of the candidate
or someone telling you that you owe that vote to Hillary

ERA - equally able to make our own decisions
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:29 PM
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30. think that to rouse US youth from torpor
Did you and "these women" say that about the young voters of the 60's???

this whole letter is disgusting
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:10 PM
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45. Thank you!
The overweening entitlement of Clintonistas never fails to amaze me.

I'm still waiting for some substantiation of the claim that the Obama campaign was deliberately marginalizing older women.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:57 PM
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37. Thanks for the story.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:58 PM
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39. I am looking forward to the woman who said in 2007 "I am a feminist." in the WH!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:09 PM
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44. good stuff. nt
K&R
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DDQ Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:37 AM
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49. Thank You
for posting this. I sent it off to friends. I have been feeling like people on this site and others have been forgetting our history.

I understand that gender is an issue in this campaign. The amount of dismissive, negative, and hateful comments about Hillary are related to her gender.

I can't pretend that this is not happening.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:40 AM
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50. Great idea. I shall send this to a few of my friends as well. They have been hell pissed about this
too.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:29 AM
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51. Just what i need to read after the battering from MSM & al - thanks!
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:32 AM
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55. I'm a boomer woman - feminist
and I am voting for Obama. I very much resent other 'feminists' telling my that I'm not feminist enough if I don't agree with them. It has me running the other way.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:07 AM
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56. and I said if I had to fight these fights all over again, I would not be nice about it


us old veterans in the War Against Women will not go quietly. count on it!
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