What do all these endorsments mean to anyone

[blues90]

Does anyone actually think that everyone is going to seek out each newspaper and find out who owns them and the papers history to even come close to knowing who they are and why they back what ever candidate they endorse ? Same thing goes for each individual endorsment , it's another numbers game all there to make the larger number count as if it really means a damn thing .

This is not each persons vote counts based on their beliefs but a way to cloud judgement and gather votes in lumps . This is the heart pumping blood version of diebold .

[Tweed]

1. It's not the people, it's their words and reason for voting for Obama

[blues90]

5. I wasn't talking about only Obama , jesus!

[HughMoran]

14. lol - you assumed he was talking about Obama

:rofl:

[ErnestoG]

2. They will translate to votes for people who follow high profile folks

And don't kid yourself. There are a zillion of them. If you doubt me, see "The Oprah Effect".

[blues90]

8. I don't doubt the effect at all , I know all about the Oprah effect .

That's the problem I have with the entire idea of endorsments , steering the public and using names to influence voters . Why don't they just pass out pills .

[ErnestoG]

13. Because infotainment is a plenty powerful drug as it is. Sadly.

[blues90]

22. It is sad .

[sunonmars]

3. I actually don't think endorsements are working this year or if they are,little effect

[pinto]

4. I think it notes that people are paying attention. And the net amplifies that, of course. A good

thing, imho.

I rely on people to make up their own minds, as always. Yet, I like the list of official endorsements, large and small, from newspapers and unions and political groups.

[no name no slogan]

6. endorsements don't mean shit

unless it's for vacuum cleaners.

Ed Muskie had endorsements up the wazoo in 1972. Fat lot of good those did him.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. If endorsements didn't matter, no one would seek them. How much do they matter?

That depends.

However, I've yet to see any candidate anywhee turn down a choice endorsement, whether fron a mainstream newsppaer, a popular celebrity, or a prominent politician.

We endorse as we post here.

[blues90]

9. endorse , brainwash , influence all mean the same to me .

I don't know I agree that posting here is endorsing really , who here has any position ?

[John Q. Citizen]

18. Lots of people here do, based on the value of their writing, their thought processes,

I like certain posters here a lot, and if and when they endorse a candidate, I tend to give them more credence and thought than the posters who exibit less thoughfulness.

For instance, the fact that you believe the words brainwash, influence, and endorse are equivalent, tells me, from my perspective, that you don't own a dictionary or you don't use a dictionary. And it tells me that you are faily sloppy when it comes to your use of language.

When Bonnie Raait did benefits for Edwards, I thought, hmm, I like Bonnie and I like many of the issues that she is passionate about. Perhaps I should give Edwards a good look.

Now you have every right to believe that Bonnie Raitt is a brainwasher if you want, but I don't agree.

In fact, if you were to make an endorsement for or against a candidate my first thought would be, 'well, i don't think blues90 has a very analytical mind,' I won't give the pro or con endorsement much weight at all. So your position here, as relates to me, isn't that high. I don't know a lot of your posts though, just this one, so I could change my mind about that based on more evidence.

Some posters though, if they came out for or against a candidate, I would want to know more about it. just because of the position that poster holds in my mind.

[blues90]

21. I used those words to reflect the irony i see .

I depends entirely how to see things . I am not pointing to any one person , what I am saying is you can influence in good ways and bad ways , so if the influence is to raise a child with a good outlook then you can say it was a good influence . To use influence related to power or position or popularity to build up a following can be viewed as good or bad depending on the intent , is it self serving or is it for the over all benefit of others , what is the motive .

I see these endorsements as a use of power to shift or sway people for purely self serving intent .

You use the name Kennedy then you invoke a well known name and bring people to this side even if they only relate to the name as one of familiarity without real knowledge of the man behind the name . This is where a form of brainwashing begins to take affect .

I am not saying the definition of these words are the same in the dictionary but they can relate in cause and effect , as a chain reaction .

[John Q. Citizen]

23. I don't see anything wrong with kennedy endorsing who he wants anymore than I see anything

wrong with Bonnie Raitt endorsing who she wants to.

Ultimately I'm going to make up my own mind anyway.

Why does Kennedy's endorsement of Obama bother you?

Did Bonnies endorsement of Edwards bother you?

[blues90]

24. I wasn't aware of Bonnie's endorsement , lets just say

It's not Kennedy's endorsement that bothers me , it's all endorsements .

With endorsements it's like instead of one candidate you now have fifteen all spread out across the country with the same message , this is to pound the message and to condense time .

I for example held a popular figure in high regard be he or she a rock star or actor or a Kennedy . Say I'm young , just old enough to vote so I'll pick for example John Lennon .

Now don't you think this will be an influence over my decision that I may battle with. Say since I respect him then he must know what's best because after all it's John Lennon .

I used to pick some reps based on who I saw endorsing them on their websites . Not any more , now I want to hear what the candidate has to say and if I personally find what they say does not fit or they say nothing much at all then I don't vote for them .

It's just like these propositions , I read the material yet always there are the pro's and con's written by people who I have no info on .

These issues are so well hidden and have adds that attempt to sway you .

These should be stated clearly without hidden agenda .

It's all a well planned and thought out game and what we don't need is more ways to cloud the issues .

I don't feel everyone has to become a political expert to cast a vote but they design it this way . This is where the endorsements come in for me and my dislike of them . It's almost like doing your own taxes .

[sellitman]

10. Whoever gets the most endorsements wins!!!!

Not

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Means nothing too me. And if Edwards endorses Obama, then I will vote for Hillary.

It will be a vote against Obama, not a vote for Hillary.

[blues90]

16. The backfire effect , true enough .

[John Q. Citizen]

20. And if he endorses Hillary, then you are going to vote for Obama? It's your choice, for sure.

But since you endorse Edwards, I'm voting for Obama.

It a vote against Hill, not for Obama.

[BenDavid]

12. I'm not voting for Barack Hussein Obama because he does not

have the aptitude and the experience to be president. Now if you are supporting obama because you felt something listening to him give a speech and not know anything about where he stands on issues, then please stay yo butt home and away from the polling booth....cause this is how we got bush and now we know how that all turned out....

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. ...

:thumbsup:

[blues90]

17. I am not an Obama supporter

I brought this up because these endorsments are only making things worse and will make many people look like fools in the end .

[boston bean]

19. not 1 fn thing