We are One People, We are One Nation! What the world needs now is Positivity!

[FrenchieCat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHA_ZTvOgUM

[silverweb]

1. Amen!

Fired up and ready to go!

GObama! _The "Yes We Can" Song_

[FrenchieCat]

2. Look at the negativity on this board, and ask yourself......

where is it coming from? :(

[silverweb]

3. I've got a very long ignore list...

...and it's still growing, with a huge improvement for my outlook and my blood pressure.

Never let the naysayers get to you! They're hope killers.

But we refuse to give up, and we have a true leader and "hopemonger" to show us the way! :hug:


GObama! _The "Yes We Can" Song_

[ClericJohnPreston]

21. Yes, isn't that what cultists do to keep the outside world at bay?

I disagree with more than 80% of your tactics and beliefs, but I don't fear any of you, and don't have anyone on ignore.

[silverweb]

25. That's one extreme example.

The choice to eliminate rude, harassing, untruthful, arrogant, and unpleasant persons from one's environment is also something known as _freedom of association_. ;)

[Plucketeer]

37. Boy, that approach is great for choosing a country club,

but when it comes to national government .... such a manuver is akin to sticking one's head in the sand!

[silverweb]

38. Really?

There's a huge difference between being open to information and subjecting oneself to pointless snark -- no matter what the subject -- so your analogy is quite inaccurate.

Long years of experience have taught me that those who behave without respect for others almost never have anything substantive to say. In that sense, the demeanor often is the message.

There's a tremendous amount of information available and only so much time to take it all in, so I have put certain filters in place to maximize my benefit. That's not at all the same as "sticking one's head in the sand."

[Plucketeer]

46. It's that sorta attitude

that prevails in the Oval Office. It's why the "war" in Iraq continues to drag on. The half-wit in the oval office tunes out what he doesn't like.

[silverweb]

51. Let me be sure I understand this.

You're equating my ignoring some people at DU with George Bush's general attitude as president, right?

Okay, let's go with that for the moment.

My criteria for partially or completely ignoring certain people and/or their posts, as stated in previous posts: rude, harassing, untruthful, arrogant, unpleasant, pointlessly snarky, and without respect for others; I will at this time also add redundant and inane to the list.

~vs~

George W. Bush's criteria for ignoring anyone (i.e., generals/scientists) or anything (i.e., facts/studies), as documented historically: disagreeing with his ideés fixes.

Nope, sorry. That just doesn't work.

I believe your most recent statement is a good example of the logical fallacy known as "questionable analogy."

Either that or you're just sharpening your skills at absurd hyperbole.

Good night.

[Plucketeer]

53. Close

"Either that or you're just sharpening your skills at absurd hyperbole." You left out the word: "identifying" between "at" and "absurd".

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. People who call Democratic candidates for President "War Criminals"?

Only some of it comes from them, I realize that. I always approve of a genuine postive message. I'll try to listen to this later.

[jasmine621]

14. Sorry, but I don't want the world to think I agree with Bush.

We are not one in anyway except one nation (what else could be? Two nations? the USA and...?
We are a people divided by many issues but trying to come together to make things better for all.

[silverweb]

24. You're a literalist, aren't you?

Try thinking figuratively: _E pluribus unum_. ;)

[robbedvoter]

4. That coming from you?

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

7. Yes.

And thank you for making my point for me.

:hi:

[alteredstate]

8. Thanks for posting this, Frenchie!!!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Yes, we can!!!

[saracat]

10. And we are all supposed to forget all your words? Forgive and Forget , eh?

But with no apologies?

[Bluerthanblue]

13. who rules you Saracat? Is it

you- or "them"?

If you wait on others to do something in order to do what you believe is right, then you are nothing but a slave.

I don't need people to apologize to me, before I embrace what I know is best for my life.- If I hold onto my grudges, I've not only lost what ever "they" need to apologize for, I've actually- lost the freedom to act on my own- I'm nothing but a re-actor.

Is what the OP says representative of the ideal way to live? If so- don't let anything deter you from embracing it.

If not- then don't point to others and say- "they are why I won't accept this".



peace~

[saracat]

19. I don't accept it because it is false.Just as the bipartisanship of the GOP. Just as the results of

election 2000 and 2004.Extend your hand across the aisle and it will be bitten off.We need a fighter not kumbayah! I am done with "uniting, putting a brave face on and moving on.I will speak out against that which is false and disingenuous.I will NOT forget the past.Those who do are doomed to repeat it.I intend to learn from the past.

We cannot move on or leartn uless we acknowledge our mistakes, and that must be on both sides. It doesn't matter what one side does as long as another lives in denial.I will not live in denial.

[ClericJohnPreston]

23. Only cultists fear reason and thought, saracat.

Your points are excellent and argued well. But, look at who is involved here. You can't talk to a wall, or those with their hands clasped to their ears, making nonsense sounds, like my five-year old, to avoid hearing what conflicts with their world.

Arguing reason and fact is wasted on a group that doesn't see the ABSURDITY OF THIS:

"If we just BELIEVE in HOPE and CHANGE, there is no way we can LOSE."

[Bluerthanblue]

28. I sure as hell am glad that the founding fathers didn't think like you-

or like Saracat.

The notion of a group of foolish "patriots" could fight and win freedom from Great Britain was for fools.

The idea that JFK had about putting a man on the moon before 1970- was for "dreamers".

The concept that the sun didn't rotate around the earth, was not only foolishness- it was punishable by death-


Having the AUDACITY to suggest that there is a reason to hope - chance- or believe in something better, is something nay-sayers, those too jaded, satiated, or who enjoy misery cannot allow- and they will do anything possible to try and ensure that their way of life continues.

It takes courage to hope- and energy- and self-sacrifice.

You want to live without hope? Then keep going the way you are. But don't expect everyone to join you.

Hope isn't absurd. Hopelessness is. - Humans can live without facts- they can't live without hope.

that- is fact.

:hi:

peace~

[Yael]

29. But they didn't just HOPE for it -- they TOOK this country away by force

If you can't see the difference, then hope for change all you want, but don't cry in 4 years that nothing got done.

[Bluerthanblue]

36. you are right

about the use of force by the founding fathers.

So I'll give you the illustration of Gandhi- he didn't use force- yet he enabled change- unthinkable change.

The same with MLKjr. Many people were angry with him because of his insistance that violence not be used- many refused to support him- and yet, he facilitated change.

It won't come easy- and it probably won't come soon. But it will come- of that I am sure.

peace~

[Yael]

41. Ok, lets keep with this theme then.

You know the difference between the POTUS and the Ghandi/MLKs of the world?

The President is the one with the power.

The Ghandi/MLKs are the ones standing up against the power.

Like I said, Hope for Change all you like, but I would rather someone in charge who has a plan as they only have 4 years (and not a lifetime) to execute it.

[FlyingSquirrel]

30. Peace....

Is something that this country will be seeing less and less of. Of that I am certain, regardless of who gets elected now.

[Bluerthanblue]

34. I hear you-

loud and clear FlyingSquirrel-

And you may be absolutely right. I'll take the chance and point out to you, that the only real influence you have in this is your own life. How you choose to live your life, can make peace less possible, or less impossible. That hokey old song, "let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me"- is more than just empty words.

If each one of us really wanted, or even enough of us really wanted - we WOULD have more peace.

John and Yoko said it years ago.

People didn't listen then- but that doesn't stop the truth of it.

When does fighting stop? when everyone and everything is destroyed? Or when people say "enough"- this cannot continue?

peace~

[Bluerthanblue]

26. be careful what you wish for you usually get it- especially when

it is less than you really want- or need.


You don't 'see' any possibility of anything other than more of the same- so rather than take a chance on "hope" or anything that might give you reason to expect something BETTER- you bank on the "familiar".

I understand where you are- I also understand that you will never move forward, if you aren't willing to risk believing in something that doesn't seem "do-able".. - If you are content with more of the same- really content- then I hope you don't get what you want. For everyones sake.

Doing what is right, is usually not easy or popular- but that doesn't change the fact that it is right. Believing in positive change- even in the darkest times, is never wrong- never.


peace~

[ClericJohnPreston]

27. I learned long ago

to THINK things through. When I read of a candidate, that they studied how to use language of generalization, ie, "hope", and to avoid specifics, I worry.

Buried in those little things like "specifics", is the rcipe for success or failure.

People who buy into words, without detail, will become disillusioned quickly. That is human nature.

Finally, everything worth having, is worth fighting for. It doesn't come to you. Wishing doesn't put bread on the table. Work and sacrifice do.

Where is the sacrifice or any price tag affixed to Obama's "Hope"??? If it's free, then you ought to really start re-examining your situation.

[Bluerthanblue]

33. oh, it's not "free" at all- and hope doesn't mean

sitting back and waiting for things to happen.

Hope or the belief in something BETTER than "same-old-same-old" is a position that requires much more of us.

Obama speaks in much more than platitudes. If you sincerly have looked into his platform, and cannot see any substance, than may I ask you what you see in Hillary's? It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and parrot negative talking points- It is much harder to really question what is being said, beneath and beyond the media and popular opinion.

I agree with you that good things don't come easy- If you think that there is anything easy about what Obama is doing- or wants to do, then you aren't looking very closely.

[foxer]

45. They're like couple od Souffle's vying for top shelf in a oven.

Mostly made of air and both will deflate when you slam the oven door

[Lugnut]

50. K&R n/t

[Nimrod2005]

5. 5th rec

[Avalux]

6. I agree. The problems we face don't care if we're Republican or Democrat or whatever.

The only way we can fix healthcare, end the war in Iraq, redo our energy policy, etc. is to have a leader who is willing to talk to those he disagrees with and engage all to work together. It can be done and it must be done. Having good plans is only half the battle; the other half is implementing them.

[iris5426]

20. No.

The only way we can fix healthcare, end the war in Iraq, redo our energy policy, etc. is to have a leader who is willing to stand up to the people and corporations that got us here. Sitting down and "engaging" those who stand to lose profits etc. if the change that is truly needed comes about will result in no change at all.

"Having good plans is only half the battle; the other half is implementing them."

Exactly. And those plans aren't going to be implemented if you are trying to make nice with the people who got us where we are, be it the corporations or the Repukes.

And, FTR, I rarely come out and get involved in the bickering that is going on here as of late (and yes, I haven't been here that long), but I am tired of seeing everyone pile on saracat when she is only standing up for what she believes in, and in what many of us believe in. She is just one of the few willing to put herself out there and engage you rabid Obama supporters. I liked him, a lot. He was my second choice until I came to DU. I just see you all following him so blindly because of his message, when it has become apparent that there is not much substance there.

I am sick of seeing everyone attack the Edwards supporters just because we are holding firm to our beliefs even though our candidate has stepped out of the race. There is NOTHING wrong with standing up for what you believe in. There is everything wrong with ridiculing people for doing so, and with blindly accepting everything that is fed to you.

Question everything!

[saracat]

9. Coming from you , as gracious as you always were to Edwards , this is the utmost hypocrisy Frenchie.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Your candidate is more important to you than this country......

and that's your problem.

[saracat]

18. No candidate is more important to me than this country and that is the problem.

[Levgreee]

11. I'm going to listen to this, on somewhat low volume, while Obama is giving a speech

it could be interesting

[ErnestoG]

15. Oh there you go with that gooshy squishy DREAM stuff again!

And bless your soul for it! ;)


OBAMA 08

[Flabbergasted]

17. Well done.

[boston bean]

22. it's too bad his followers on du don't follow this rhetoric. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

31. We are Two Americas

Do I like that? Of course not. The division is deep and abiding, and yes, it's a "class war." That epithet, hurled constantly and furiously by the Republicans who have a vested interest to ignore the poor and middle class, is actually true. Damn right it's a class war, and about time, too.

The problems of the poor aren't going to be solved by hope and dreams, or "positivity" alone. They can be solved, or at least helped, by first, recognizing that they exist, then working towards a solution, then implementing that solution. You can hope and dream all you want, but although that can energize, it can't stand alone; it must be followed by action, sacrifice, and yes, work. It's fine to have a feel-good video, but at the end of the day, what are you going to do?

To do that, we do need a fighter. There are many who will resist with all their power, because they consider any gain by the poor and middle class as a loss for them...and to hell with the country. My problem with Obama is not that I dislike him personally; it's that he doesn't seem to recognize that simple fact. Republicans are rubbing their hands in anticipation about somebody who wants to "join hands across the aisle" and "work with them." We've seen how that works, haven't we?

[Turn CO Blue]

32. Positivity. Relativity. They could use food, clean water, shelter

and healthcare a damned site more.

I am leaning towards Obama, but nobody is going to win me over this this "hope" and "dreams" metaphysical, philosophical power-of-positive-thinking crap.

We're going to a match with the Republicans, and the Dems (especially Obama) show up with teamspirit and the rulebook in their hands like we're going to play Parcheezi -- meanwhile the Repukes are going to show up in SWAT gear with rocket launchers and nuclear warheads.

[demo dutch]

35. What the world needs now is EXPERIENCE!

[incapsulated]

39. lol n/t

[BootinUp]

44. heh nt

[Jillian]

40. What the world needs now is love, sweet love, that's the only thing that there is just too little of

:rofl:

[stimbox]

42. Obama the purple dinosaur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIklIkmbM2A

[Two Americas]

43. one America?

Damn.

Now I'll have to change my username.

[AZBlue]

47. Yes, we CAN!

K&R

[adnelson60087]

48. What the world needs now is a big dose of America getting itself back

into a semblance of balance and rational thought. Admitting that corporations and greed need to be beaten back and the common good still exists...Obama is not the one for that, and neither is Hillary. We need John Edwards' message, and if not for the shallow nature of today's politics and the "easy road" mentality of today's electorate, we might just have gotten that message, signed sealed and delivered. As it is, we are lost and I fear for November and beyond.

[Kittycat]

49. Yes. We. Can.

[LeftCoast]

52. If you can say something positive about Hillary Clinton I might believe you

Otherwise this post seems a bit disingenuous to me...