Ralph Nader is getting in..Congratulations Democrats

[LoveForPeace]

Edwards was our only chance to stop Nader.

Ralph Nader will be drawing a lot of support who don't like Barack Obama pandering to the corporations.

[DesertFlower]

1. oh shit. nt

[Bicoastal]

2. Nader doesn't seem to get the "Law of Diminishing Returns."

[long_green]

13. his returns aren't diminishing in my case...

if it's Hillary vs. McCain, I'm voting for Nader.

[Bicoastal]

16. At which point, you'd no longer be welcome here. nt

[long_green]

25. ooooooooohhh!

I'm fwightened by your thweat.

[Bicoastal]

29. No, It's not a threat. I'm just stating a fact. If you start supporting Nader on DU...

...Skinner will terminate your account. It happened 4 years ago and it'll happen this year.

[pbca]

34. He can terminate my account if he likes

There are alot of message boards out there - excluding people hurts DU and only DU

[Bicoastal]

38. Yeah, why would a site called DEMOCRATIC Underground exclude people who aren't DEMS?

It don't make no sense! :shrug:

[pbca]

41. Like I said, he's free to do it if he likes

But until he does I'm entitled to my opinion and if he does, I won't vote for any Dem, for any office.

[Bicoastal]

48. Hahaha, you take this site WAY too seriously. If Skinner tombstones you,

you'll never vote for a Democrat EVER AGAIN?

[pbca]

51. No

I see very few reasons to now.

[Bicoastal]

54. Arrgh. I grudgingly concede the point.

And Nader still stucks. :hi:

[pbca]

57. It wasn't always

When I first signed up (different account, long ago - lost the info) Skinner said that it was for Democrats, progressives, and left-leaning independents: I was unaware that that had changed. I'm not here often, but I do check in because voting Democrat is still a possibility, but it is not a given. I am not whole heartedly enthusiastic about any of the remaining candidates and I won't vote for Clinton.

Believe it or not, once upon a time, I was a ward captain for the Democrats - I resigned that post and my party membership when Clinton (Bill) strongarmed Wellstone out of a primary run in 96. (I always found Bill a little too right wing).

[Zodiak]

70. No it is not, and you've been here long enough to know that.

It is for progressive-minded people.

If you advocate publicly for someone other than a Democrat in the general election, you can be gone, but not voting for them. That is the voter's choice.

There are Independents, Republicans, Greens, Socialists, etc on this site. It is not just for big D Democrats, despite what the more authoritarian loyalists on this board think.

And the rules did not appoint you to be the loyalty police, either.

[DutchLiberal]

74. Oooops! You should have read the rules!

Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[leftynyc]

56. Are you even able to vote?

I ask because of the Canadian flag.

[pbca]

58. Yep - Dual Citizen n/t

[yardwork]

89. Especially since you're Canadian.

[Midlodemocrat]

80. oooh, that'll learn him. I bet he's crying with fright.

jerk.

[pbca]

35. Duplicat n/t

[long_green]

39. Skinner wouldn't need to terminate my account...

I'll go away. I'll even promise you that I'll do it without a "I'm outta here" post. If only everyone would do that...

My vote would be less "Go Ralph" than a statement to the Democrats that they have left me behind. Excuse me. They have "righted" me behind.

You blame Nader for 2000. So did I (and still do to some extent). But after eight years of the worst case scenario, I'm not voting for the American Status Quo any longer.

[Bicoastal]

43. Ok, but just remember--"making a statement" doesn't really matter when the GOP

...gets four more years in the White House.

And we stay in Iraq...

And move on to invading Iran...

And Roe v Wade gets overturned...

And stem cell research is still illegal...

And so on and so on and so on...

Honestly, I'm no Hillary supporter--but I vote for candidates, not statements.

[long_green]

55. I didn't say you were

I'm not wild about Obama, either. He's a little bit better than HRDLC.
And my sentiment was expressed for a possible Clinton/McCain GE race. If it's Romney, I'm 96.561% certain of voting Democratic.
You sound like me four years ago. Now? I believe everyone who considers themselves a progressive should bail on the Democrats to let them know how many votes they're leaving out there with this triangulation bidness.

[DutchLiberal]

62. And as long as you keep doing that, the DLC will feel no need to change the party's direction.

You will never have a progressive candidate. Because they're thinking: "What are they going to do? Vote for a third party? And get a Republican president? Hell no."

It's really the two party system. As long as that is intact, nothing will ever change.

[long_green]

81. Amen. That is where I am today.

Well, almost. The only thing the Democrats have going for them today is the GOP. And they're so God-awful that I may still vote for the Dem ticket.

[DutchLiberal]

87. So once again the progressives are forced to vote anti-GOP instead of pro-Democrat...

[pbca]

50. I don't even blame him for 2000

It's truly arrogant to say that Nader 'stole' votes from Gore, or that he would 'steal' them this time. That whole mode of thinking implies that the Democratic candidate, or the Democratic party owns those votes. It is a truly undemocratic concept even an anti democractic concept, worthy only of totalitarians and one party rule. Anyone who thinks that it's Naders fault when someone doesn't vote Democrat is neither a Democrat, nor a progressive, nor a liberal. They don't own the votes, the voters 'own' their votes and can cast them any way they like.

[Bicoastal]

52. Oh, I'm not BLAMING them. I'm questioning the judgement of people who saw no difference...

...between future Nobel laureate Al Gore and future Warlord George W. Bush.

[pbca]

28. I might too

I certainly wouldn't vote for Hillary or McCain so it would be someone else.

[bluestateguy]

3. We'll stop Nader

By using Democratic Secretaries of State to keep his name off the ballot.

In other states, we'll sue him off of the ballot. His signatures are always bogus anyway.

[LoveForPeace]

8. Oh, what a lovely Democratic person you are

Not.

So, you admit you like to be a censor nazi

[GreenPartyVoter]

73. Look like it

[DutchLiberal]

88. Ah, I see you have studied Stalin's methods.

Very effective.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Can't blame me!

[DJ13]

5. "Nader will be drawing a lot of support who don't like Barack Obama pandering to the corporations."

Nader has been most critical of Hillary Clinton representing the corporations in recent months.

Your anger is misplaced.

[LoveForPeace]

10. He says Obama is the same too

I'll vote for Nader over Obama
Yep

[Bicoastal]

18. Nader is the guy who said Bush and Gore were the same--or did you forget that?

[laconicsax]

66. He was SOOOOO right about that too!

Gore totally would have almost taken us to war with China, LIHOP, invaded Iraq on false pretenses, led the economy to ruin, and worked his ass off to turn this country from democracy to fascist state. Only Ralph Nader had the foresight to see this.

:sarcasm:

[SammyWinstonJack]

90. Well I won't vote for Obama no matter what Nadar says and I won't vote for Nadar either.

[Capn Sunshine]

21. What sort of "Pandering" is Obama doing?

That corporate line about Hope?

[leftynyc]

61. If he saw a difference

he wouldn't be running. Now I will go home and put a curse on his head.

[AtomicKitten]

6. Hillary is the Queen of Corporatists and her candidacy will cause Bloomberg &/or Nader to run.

Bloomberg in particular has made it very clear he will enter the race if divisive, polarizing candidates like Hillary Clinton or Giuliani (we dodged THAT bullet) prevail.

[martymar64]

97. I blame the DLC

Fuck all those bastards.

[SoFlaJet]

7. Nader doesn't scare me this time

"bring 'em on"

[boston bean]

he didn't scare anyone last time either, that was the problem. nt

[fuzzy otter pop]

9. bullseye!!!!

i will probably vote Nader!!!!!!!

hell, the corporate D's need a good butt whooping for this one.

a real progressive, southern and electable...

but no they pick two sellout losers,

i am done.

[Bicoastal]

24. Ahem, Gore vs. Bush, 2000..."They're both the same! Who cares who wins?" nt

[NoPasaran]

84. Yeah, damn those voters!

[polichick]

11. Hopefully, not too many Dems would vote for Nader this time...

...having lived through what the last 7 years brought us.

[zulchzulu]

12. Nader doesn't matter anymore

He'll get 1% of the vote in the fall if he runs again.

[yellowcanine]

17. Agree, Yesterday's news. And in an Obama/McCain race, Nader would take at least as many votes from

McCain as Obama. He might take more votes from Hillary in a matchup with McCain, but probably not enough to matter anywhere.

[sandnsea]

14. Barack Obama does not pander to corporations

People have simply got to learn the difference between reality and primary campaign rhetoric. Obama has a solid record on fighting corporate power and has been fighting it his entire life.

[islandmkl]

15. Nader? Why don't y'all go back to 2000...

and come down here to Florida and ask all the Nader voters here how things worked out with their vote. Made it easy for a bimbo like Katherine Harris to be in a position to steal an election. Obviously, it wasn't just the Nader votes, but you do the math. "It's easier to steal mail than rob banks."

[DutchLiberal]

91. Why is it Nader's fault the GOP steals elections?

[Nedsdag]

19. Nader is the least of Hillary's problems.

You know Bloomberg is in if she is the nominee.

[long_green]

46. why would he get in if she is nominated? Or Obama for that matter?

Rich heels like him will be taken care of no matter who gets the Democratic nomination.

[anamandujano]

59. Why don't Nader and Bloomberg do the primaries?

Too lazy, don't believe they can win, or just want to split the vote?

They belong to the party of Megalomania.

[NYCGirl]

20. Nader said it was the withdrawal of Kucinich that made him do it:

More from Nader

I just now spoke to Ralph Nader, who said the launch of his exploratory Web site wasn't timed to Edwards' withdrawal, but that Kucinich's withdrawal had made space in the race for him.

"We’re testing the waters on the overriding issue of corporate control, of our political economy, and anything else the dogma of commercialism wants to latch on to," he said.

He also said he'd make third-party ballot access a major issue, after what he sees as a "national conspiracy" by the Democratic Party to deny him a place on the ballot in 2004, subject of a recent lawsuit.

He also said he saw some overlap between his positions and Ron Paul's.

"His position on corporatism is taking some people who think the overriding political issue is corporate domination," he said. "But he has positions which are not acceptable – like he wants to acknowledge the regulatory agencies I helped create."


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_from_Nader.html

[FlyingSquirrel]

22. I'm sorry, WHERE was that link?

lol

Welcome to DU!

(might want to post a link to that info if in fact it is more than just pure speculation)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

23. oo scary Nader.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. aww

did your guy lose?

[goldcanyonaz]

27. Who?

[BeyondGeography]

30. Ralph Nader isn't even a gnat on Obama's ass

[Bicoastal]

33. Hot image, BG...

[BeyondGeography]

37. I was gonna go with nose

But that would have raised Ralph's profile to an unacceptably high level.

[nancyr]

31. More good news for the Republicans.

[NoPasaran]

32. I shit in his hat

[MrCoffee]

36. Captain Irrelevant is running again?

color me uninterested.

[sharp_stick]

40. Fuck Nader

That egomaniac is becoming less relevant by the hour.

[KennedyGuy]

42. Say hello to Prez McCain..whomever the Dem is

Nader takes away just enough to give it to the repukes..
Thats how we ended up with Chimpy in the first place.

[DutchLiberal]

94. I thought the Supreme Court did that,..

[cd3dem]

44. what exactly has Nadar done lately other than Fuck up elections?

could someone tell me?

[anamandujano]

63. Bingo!

One has to wonder how anyone with a relative in Iraq will feel about his candidacy this time around.

His tweedle dee, tweedle dum routine won't work this time. Maybe I should say it shouldn't.

Will any of his former supporters stand on a college auditorium stage with him again?

[DutchLiberal]

95. So if your guy is not elected it means the elections are "fucked up"?

[Roxy66]

45. Great...now all you "non-voters" can vote for Nader

[Tom Strong]

47. Ron Paul running as an Independent is the REAL threat. Nader won't spoil shit. n/t

[laconicsax]

79. Real threat why?

He'd be a threat to the GOP candidate, but not the Dem candidate.

[SteppingRazor]

49. bwahahahaha!

Can't wait to see those .1% returns. Nader's of no consequence at all.

[no name no slogan]

53. Nader will stop himself all on his own

He's a great activist, but a terrible candidate. He comes off as holier-than-thou and does more to alienate people than attract them-- even for those who may share his positions.

Nader will be a non-issue this year, just like he was in 2004.

[martymar64]

98. Your avatar is extremely offensive

Fuck Lieberman. I hope he gets cancer of the dick.

[DutchLiberal]

60. Let the Nader-bashing begin!

Because God knows only Democrats are allowed to run for president...

[Bicoastal]

64. I will gladly bash Nader. Any time, any place. nt

[DutchLiberal]

67. So... Do you feel tough now?

:shrug:

[Bicoastal]

68. No. I feel right. nt

[DutchLiberal]

78. Bush feels right too.

[Bicoastal]

83. You have GOT to be kidding me.

[DutchLiberal]

86. With every reply you make, I'm thinking you're kidding everybody.

Or are you really that nasty?

[anamandujano]

65. Let's just watch where his money comes from.

He will certainly get plenty of air time from the MSM. I'll even wager he gets more than Kucinich and Edwards rolled into one.

[DutchLiberal]

69. Well, where does HRC's money come from?

Rupert... what was his last name?

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. It will come from where it always comes from, the RNC.

[anamandujano]

77. Thank you!

Got to wonder if any of his supporters care about that.

[mike_c]

71. good-- at least Americans will still have at least one choice...

...who isn't an utter tool of the ugly status quo.

[cobalt1999]

75. Nader is just waiting for the republican $$$ to roll in.

That's his real financial base. Maybe he spent all his year 2000 money.

[themaguffin]

76. You statement lacks logic

[PVnRT]

82. Nader will be a non-entity this election

As in, his presence will not affect the results. Not after eight years of Bush.

[robbedvoter]

96. As he already was in 2004 - he ran then too - anyone remembers that?

[SPKrazy]

85. oh fuck a duck

well

Canada, I will need to find a job there first

[robbedvoter]

92. Oh, please! "our only chance to stop Nader" - same BS as "Bloomberg"

I don't let either Nader nor Bloomberg to affect my voting decision.

[martymar64]

93. Thanks DLC!

You've just written all of our obituaries.