You got to be freakin kidding me - 4 in 10 Edwards supporters support

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Clinton and only 25% Obama. Tell me please, that isn't true !!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080130/D8UGAGF00.html

Four in 10 Edwards supporters said their second choice in the race is Clinton, while a quarter prefer Obama, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo poll conducted late this month. Both Clinton and Obama would welcome Edwards' backing and the support of the 56 delegates he had collected.

I wanted him to stay in ! He is the best candidate. But if he endorses Hillary - I will think that I never really knew him.

[Egnever]

1. I am growing more convinced he will endorse Hillary by the minute

[SayitAintSo]

83. Me too... I think Hil is more willing to "deal"....n/t

[MadBadger]

2. That leaves an extra 35 percent undecided.

[redqueen]

3. Why are you so shocked? Clinton's policies seem closer to Edwards.

:wtf:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. Where's the sarcasm smilie? He's everything she isn't./

[redqueen]

13. He's MUCH more populist...

but her healthcare plan is closer to his (healthcare is top priority for me, next to ending poverty)... and a lot of her other policies are closer to John's, too.

[hfojvt]

89. she's been copying him more closely for a while, trying to steal his thunder

health care plan - 4 weeks later and almost exactly like Edwards
economic stimulus plan - 4 weeks later and almost exactly like Edwards
if she's not copying, the timing sure is suspect.

She could do one of those ads - "I'm not a populist, but I play one in the primaries". Just like she was pro-war until it became very uncool to be pro-war. Then she would open her rallies with "are you ready to end the war?" to cheering crowds. It's nice when politicians will listen to public opinion, but it's also nice if they have some principles besides "a desire to get elected".

[book_worm]

4. it's pretty even with 35% holding the balance if it's true.

[Stand and Fight]

5. This Edwards supporter now supports Hillary Clinton.

I must tell you, it is most probably true. :)

[highflyingbird]

12. Same here

Obama's last on my list. Clinton's policies are much closer to Edwards than Obama's are. Every Edwards supporter I know will now be supporting Clinton.

[Zueda]

34. Does Edwards' comments about 'status quo' not have any affect?

[EFerrari]

6. This was a poll on the internets. Maybe it was hillaried.

:shrug:

[maximusveritas]

9. Really? An internet poll?

They didn't say it was in the article.
That would be misleading of them to use an internet poll as if it was an accurate indicator.

[EFerrari]

17. Well, they said AP-Yahoo. n/t

[Seeker30]

41. AP doesnt run online polls

[EFerrari]

44. Yahoo! doesn't poll by phone.

I wonder if we can find it. I'll go try.

[EFerrari]

45. This may shed some light. It's about a different poll but done by AP-Yahoo!

It looks like first people are contacted by phone by Knowledge Networks but they vote over the net:

"The survey of 2,230 adults was conducted Nov. 2-12 by Knowledge Networks and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points. The survey included 1,049 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 points, and 827 Republicans, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.4 points. Unlike most Internet polls, this one is nationally representative because people are first contacted using traditional telephone polling methods, and are then followed using online interviews. People selected for the study who do not already have Internet access are provided with Internet access for free."

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-11202007

[EFerrari]

46. And here's another link to the survey's methods:

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/11/20/1109811-ap-yahoo-poll-methods-and-results

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. good catch. Also, it says "conducted late THIS month"

Which is kind of weird way to put it.

[EFerrari]

27. It is a weird way to put it.

There seems to me to be very little difference between the Clinton and Obama policy positions so there may well be quite a spread among Edwards supporters in the end. But I don't think a lot of people choose that way. They seem to chose a personality and then find a reason for their choice.

[quinnox]

7. woo hoo! Edwards supporters are obviously insightful

They don't buy the Obama hype.

[KittyWampus]

10. Leave it rest PLEASE! This is fruitless. We'll know soon enough. Clinton probably will benefit

but please try to give it a rest. Just one day.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. fruitless? I think it is totally important - it means everything. nt

[KittyWampus]

25. speculating when no one knows how voters will shift? asking DU'ers who are mourning today?

[Stop Cornyn]

14. I'm undecided, but Hillary's health care plan is closer to Edwards' and Hillary never embraced

Donnie McClurkin and Hillary voted for Bush's energy bill and anti-consumer tort bills which Obama supported.

I may lean toward Obama, but only because I fear the down-ballot effect that Hillary would have in my state.

[mondo joe]

15. He'll suppot the Dem candidate. If that's Hillary will it shatter your idea

of who he is?

[DJ13]

18. Those who were supporting Edwards due to his message wont vote Hillary.

Her conservative Democratic ideals are as far from the Edwards message as Edwards is from McCain.

Of course, theres always the bandwagon types who were more into supporting a person instead of supporting his platform, and those types seem like natural Hillary voters.

[robinlynne]

31. I don't know a single Hillary supporter. not one. (said by an Edwards supporter.)

I seriously doubt that.

I think Obama wins big time now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. I don't personally know any either - yikes for the last year there have

been virtually none here - and then the come out in a flash a milisecond after you post something negative to her. Like it's their job. Weird. I wouldn't even open a thread if it remotely sounded like it was negative to Edwards or Obama.

[Metric System]

57. Would you prefer that we leave? I guess only Obama and Edwards supporters are welcome here. The rest

of us are just paid shills anyway. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[redqueen]

32. Ideals? Message? Try policy.

I don't get all the confusion and brouhaha...

[zulchzulu]

19. It's like a vegan deciding to real a live cow n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

20. I'm throwing my support to Hillary.

Many of their policies are closer in nature than Edwards and Obama.

[Marrah_G]

21. I am now supporting Clinton. Not sure why this is so shocking to you.

Not everyone sees the world as you see it. Otherwise the Dems would just ask you who gets to run and we could avoid all the trouble of a primary.............

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. you always supported her.

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[gaspee]

40. I'm leaning that way

Though I'm not voting in the primary for either one. I'll find it much easier to support Clinton in the general. I don't think I can support Obama in the general. Mostly because of the ex-gay movement he gave a voice to. He sold us (LGBTQ) to get the African American Evangelical vote in SC. I can't forget or forgive that.

I am not a wedge issue. My family is not a wedge issue. I've had enough of that under the republicans.

I have that luxury since I live in a state that will go 80/20 Democratic. If I lived in a state where my vote would make a difference, I would have to look at the bigger picture that is the Supreme Court. Though I don't think Obama would give us another Scalia, he wouldn't give us a Warren, either.

Clinton is a lot more liberal than she gets credit for here on DU. And Obama is a lot less liberal than he is painted here.

I can't figure it out.

[Marrah_G]

43. I am right up the road from you and feel the same way.

Pretty words about hope and change and "yes we can" do not mean anything if you can't get the job done when you get there.

Hillary strikes me as someone who can do the job. Obama strikes me as someone who can talk beautifully about doing the job.

We are running out of time and in my opinion cannot waste it on pretty words a hope and a prayer.

I am still at a loss as to why Edwards did not do better then he did, especially when his platform spoke to the things that the working class faces the most.

[shayes51]

50. thank you

[Tom Strong]

22. Edwards was my first choice n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. I can see that. Obama is no Progressive. He just plays one on teevee.

This is one Edwards supporter who is voting for Hillary.

[HughLefty1]

26. I haven't decided yet...

Although my parents will no doubt vote for Clinton now.

[mtnsnake]

28. You're surprised? I hope you dont think DU reflects the views of mainstream Democratic voters

Anyway, don't lose too much sleep over the possibility of Edwards endorsing Hillary. Any indications I saw from his body language during the debates told me that if he endorses anyone, it won't be Hillary.

[Donnachaidh]

37. I doubt he'll support ANY of them

Obama supporters shouldn't count their chickens too early either.

[MoonRiver]

87. "body language?"

Wow, that is a real stretch.

[robinlynne]

29. Why do you think he will endorse Hillary? That would ruin his name.

[endarkenment]

30. Put me in the undecided.

Quite frankly I can't work up enough enthusiasm to vote for either Obama or Clinton. I could vote against Clinton just on the basis of Bush/Clinton fatigue, but I have no basis for supporting Obama. I guess that makes me a massively unethusiastic leaning Obama undecided.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Maybe Hillary was quick to talk to Edwards and give him a

vehicle to pursue his populist ideas?

[Omega3]

35. for Hillary now, no doubt about it

[cd3dem]

38. look at the demographics of Edwards voters

Edwards has the support of low-income, working poor, older voters, mixed racially but many white...

Hillary Clinton has the support the support of low-income, working poor, older voters, women, mixed racially...

Obama has the support of young under 30 first time voters, middle to upper income, college educated, independents

sure they all have a mix but what are the percentage numbers saying?

[flyarm]

39. i will not support either crook..i will vote for Edwards in the General..as i already voted

Edwards in my primary.

EDWARDS HAS SEEN THE BEAST.. AND HE IS A MAN OF VALOR

he has now said he is "suspending" his campaign..which means he will hold onto his delegates.

fly 2004 dem delegate

[Critters2]

58. I'm feeling the same way. I voted for him in the primary,

and am glad to have done so.

[DS1]

42. How did they get 2.5 out of ten? Rounded it down from 3 probably

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. sound like she got 40%; he 25%? 35-undecided??

[HughBeaumont]

47. You couldn't PAY me to support Madam Windsock.

Corporate annointed, pro-war, pro-free-trader vs Corporate annointed, pro-war, pro-free-trader.

Thanks for the big menu, Dumberica.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

54. Amen !

[HughBeaumont]

60. May I just say you have the best user name.

Seriously.

And on 1.20.09, it can FINALLY come true.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. Thanks. It was quite apropos when I thought the 04 election

was going to be overturned and they would have to move out

I like yours, as well. LITB - one of my all time favorite shows.

[BlackVelvet04]

80. Which only goes to show that your

intuition isn't very good.

[asthmaticeog]

62. "Madam Windsock"

That's gooood. I *will* be using that. :thumbsup:

[HughBeaumont]

73. "Any way the wind blows . . . doesn't really matter to meeeee . . ."

:7

[Nedsdag]

48. Those are the white voters

who split their vote with Hillary.

[jzodda]

49. The Obama supporters on this board have been Very nasty to Edwards supporters

and its one of the reasons but of course not the only reason I am moving my support to Hillary. To me though it matters little- I support whoever wins the nomination on our side. I love both of them HRC and Obama. I wish more of you guys loved both of them

[Indenturedebtor]

52. I didn't catch any flack from Obama people

Caught quite a bit from Hillary people but I've given some as well. "Big Business Loves Hillary" I'm going Obama now.

[jzodda]

53. I love both of them HRC and Obama

But I do have to choose one of them...At least I think I do. I could of course just wait till one of them is the nominee. I really do like both of them.

I cought hell from Obama supporters in some Edwards threads. They were calling Edwards a lier and a fraud.

[asthmaticeog]

64. A candidate's supporters on DU affect your choice AT ALL?

You know, a cnadidate's DU supporters aren't an issue. They don't for example, have a voice in the public policy that will directly affect your life.

Frankly, both Obama AND Clinton's supporters on DU have been acting like a bunch of juvenile assbags. Fortunately, I don't need them as a criteria to vote.

[kiranon]

51. For Edwards before; Voted Absentee for Hillary in California

Agree that this Board helped me make up my mind to go for Hillary as her supporters appear to me to be more civil. But, I will support which ever candidate is the Democratic nominee and fervently. Supreme Court justices matter a great deal and I do not want another round of Republican Supreme Court appointments.

[ncliberal]

59. I'm not voting for either one. However,

if I had a gun to my head I would choose Clinton. I don't see much difference between the two, but I'm female and would like to see a woman in office. Plus, her health care plan is better and that's a big issue for me.

[Josiah1982]

61. I'm throwin my support over to Hillary since Edwards dropped out eom.

[OhioChick]

63. This Edwards Supporter and Family

Now Support Obama.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. bravo!

[cooolandrew]

66. Logical I guess 51 percent of voters are women but that would show a 20 perent loss of her vote ..

...really.

[Retrograde]

67. and 35% replied

"If you call me one more time with another poll I'm not voting for either", or something less polite.

(Why, yes, I'm getting repeat calls from campaigns who do not seem to understand some part of "stop calling me")

[AX10]

68. Hillary and Edwards have been winning the working class...

vote all along. I am not suprised to see this.

[Bake]

69. This Edwards supporter (and family) are now Hillary supporters

Bake

[AX10]

70. Thank you.

[goldcanyonaz]

71. Not a surprise.

[CarolNYC]

72. Perhaps, just perhaps....

it's that you don't really know Hillary.

Here are a couple of snippets from Robert Kennedy's kids' (Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kerry Kennedy) endorsement of Hillary in the LA Times the other day:

Like our father, Hillary has devoted her life to embracing and including those on the bottom rung of society's ladder -- giving voice to the alienated and disenfranchised and working to alleviate poverty and injustice, while urging that we cannot advance ourselves as a nation by leaving our poorer brothers and sisters behind.

.......................

Hillary Clinton's political career has been centered in comforting the afflicted, afflicting the comfortable and reminding Americans what it means to be American. As a young lawyer, she focused on children's issues and legal aid. As first lady of Arkansas, she brought healthcare to rural areas and helped reform the state's lagging education system.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-kennedy29jan29,0,1618955.story

Sounds a bit like the stuff John speaks of, no?

Just sayin' the Hillary depicted on this board is not the whole picture....But you don't have to believe me or any of the Kennedys or George McGovern or Wes Clark or anyone else who's spoken well of Hillary.

[nonconformist]

74. I'm an Edwards supporter who is now a Hillary supporter.

I don't know why that's so difficult to believe. Policy-wise, he's much closer to Clinton than Obama.

[Little Star]

75. k&r I am very surprised if this is true!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

76. I'm thinking of supporting Hillary too - Obama doesn't have the experience.

He'd be way in over his head.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. What kind of experience does she have again? This is so bs

so Rovian. Think of your fault and immediately blame the other person for it. They did it all the time.

Why it works? Half the people only hear your initial accusation and they keep on thinking it is true. It's actually a brilliant tactic.

Now, you have Hillary's name associated with "experience". when she really only has a term on Obama and residency in the WH. But, she has skillfully made it seem like she's up there with Robert Byrd.

[JuniperLea]

78. I would expect a 50/50 split...

There's not much difference between "The Other Two".

[cooolandrew]

79. Edwards supporters have their democratic right to vote as they wish, but all welcome warmly 2 Obamas

team.

[Generic Brad]

81. With this new development - I'm voting for Obama now

And if he does not make it, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Either is far superior to McCain or Romney.

Hell, I started out liking Kucinich. But I am realistic enough to know that it is imperative that we elect a Democrat as president.

So my two guys have dropped out. Tough. That's life. While it may be a tad disappointing, it is by no means discouraging. The race is only just beginning and we have to commit ourselves body and soul to make sure a Democrat occupies the White House next year.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

82. I think this is because they do ewll with similar voters, i.e. lower income voters nt

[SayitAintSo]

84. THIS Edwards supporter is now for Obama

I have often thought Edwards voters would split both ways - not surprised by the Hil %

[AX10]

86. They share the same voting groups.

No suprise that they would lean towards Clinton.

[ksilvas]

88. If I have to watch 4 years..

of TMZ and the rest of the media slime merchants following
Bill Clinton around waiting for him to drop his pants and embarrass
the party, Again. My life is gonna suck. Cause thats all a Hillary presidency is gonna be.
That and alot of trying with no solutions.
Just like the 90's.

[WinkyDink]

90. Maybe it's because she seems competent. And I'm not pro-Hillary.

Unless she changes her "mandatory health insurance" plan and becomes less bellicose.