The Clinton "Victory Speech" in FL Defines Why Many Are Turned Off Of Her

[democrat2thecore]

To me, I watched that Clinton speech and thought, "Oh. My. God. Only the Clinton's could turn this "victory" into something so much more than it is." Agreements? Ah, forget it. I guess they don't matter. I watched her in full "Campaign Rally/Victory Party mode" and honestly, felt that it showed me more about Hillary Clinton than anything else in this campaign, except maybe the insidious use of the race card in South Carolina. But with all of this together in two weeks, haven't we all seen a Hillary Clinton that is not to be trusted with the issues - or the process?

People at DU are good thinkers. For those of you undecided, this spectacle in Florida should help you make up your mind.

[ursi]

1. she wants to cheat

[DiamondJay]

3. count every vote is cheating??

thank you mr. clarance thomas for your opinion on Florida's viablility as having a place in democracy

[thunder rising]

17. Play by the rules ... or get left out BY THE RULES ... simple as that

[aquart]

77. So the enfranchisement of as many citizens as possible is NOT the issue?

Funny, it was your issue in Nevada.

LOL!

[Azathoth]

22. Changing the rules you agreed to beforehand in the middle of the game is the definition of cheating

Interesting that Hillary didn't give a shit about Florida's voters until Obama threw a monkey wrench in her coronation plans.

[demo dutch]

11. That may be your perception, Obama ran TV campaign ads in FL, and Hillary

has a rally after the fact to thank her supporters. Hell both candidates will need FL like it or not

[democrat2thecore]

35. NO - Obama ran NATIONAL spots - that (obviously) were seen in FL -nt

[aquart]

74. And NY? Did I miss them?

[democrat2thecore]

76. You must have - it was a CABLE-TV buy. (MSNBC, etc.) -nt

[TwilightGardener]

2. So she ran a victory lap in an empty stadium. Let her have her moment.

[forsberg]

6. A crushing defeat for Obama, it exposes his support as nothing more than a trumped up media creation

much like the dean hysteria of 04, those who support obama and think he can win a general election are living in some fantasy world.

[ErnestoG]

15. A crushing defeat, with no delegates and the shuffleboard vote?

You're funny. Sorta.

[forsberg]

45. don't discount the old folks vote

you don't win elections without it

the elderly don't seem to trust obama, that's a problem he has.

[jenmito]

52. Ted Kennedy's endorsement will change that.

[forsberg]

yea sure, good luck making up those massive deficits in the super tuesday states

[jenmito]

94. Check again. He IS closing the gaps. n/t

[ErnestoG]

64. There's a nice vision for the future

I wish you worked in Hillary's campaign. Our work would be easier.

[krabigirl]

46. the shuffleboard vote? OMG

that's pretty bad.

[VotesForWomen]

89. yep, sexism and ageism are okay by obama folks. nt

[MagsDem]

29. Exactly

None of them campaigned there, and she wiped the floor with him. By 21%. If the media would stop giving us the American Idol of politics, Obama wouldn't stand a chance. And if he was a white guy with as thin a resume he would have been laughed off the national stage by now.

[forsberg]

39. bingo

[jenmito]

47. He lost by 18% in a state where 74% of those who voted are age 45 and up,

with 40% being over 60!

[Mojorabbit]

49. Actually according to the coverage here

she got the early voters. Obama got the voters who voted today. This is not a good sign for her.
Still she did good.

[CTLawGuy]

66. Hillary 0 Obama 0 Edwards 0

Hell even Gravel 0! Where is that guy these days?

[hezekkia]

78. welcome to DU

do you work for the Clinton campaign? Camp Clinton must be bankrolling an army of internet posters with all the new folks on here supporting her/bashing Obama.

:hi:

[Clintonite]

83. I have been her since 2002. And you?

[hezekkia]

80. nothing will unite Republicans like Hillary

she has no chance in a general, I'm sad to say (and I'd support her).

[Clintonite]

88. Republicans will unite over anyone we put up against them! You'll see. If Obama does get the nom.

they will come out against him and only then you will see how bad it will be for him! I hope he gets a little tougher, or we won't have chance!!!

[jenmito]

111. You're really in denial. Repubs. will NOT be united against Obama like they will be against the

Clintons. Some Repubs. LIKE Obama while they HATE the Clintons-both of 'em...like nobody else.

[RiverStone]

121. how many threads are you going to repeat yourself...

It's so damn obvious.

No defeat can happen if no legitimate battle was fought!

OK, press the repeat button.

[democrat2thecore]

9. It Speaks Volumes -nt

[MagsDem]

10. 2 million dem voters is an empty stadium?

Wow, I guess that means Iowa and SC are empty hot dog stands.

[thunder rising]

27. FL: The sound of one hand clapping

[MagsDem]

33. So 2 million dem voters going to the polls

is the sound of one hand clapping? How so? I mean I know Obama supporters are insanely illogical, but how do you make the case that two million dem voters are not indicative of dems wanting their voice heard on this nomination? She beat him by like 21% points in a state neither of them campaigned in. That's pretty damn impressive if you ask me.

[billbuckhead]

19. I'd downplay a big Hillary victory too if I was pushing Obama

But she is getting a large amount of voters voting for her and to deny that is to deny democracy.

[TwilightGardener]

I'm not downplaying her victory--just noting that it was not a hot contest

and there were no delegates, so it's kind of hollow. But I would fully expect she'd celebrate it--Obama or Edwards would, had they won.

[KittyWampus]

55. If one were honest, they'd admit if Obama campaigned in FL, he'd have shrunk her lead.

He has done that in every state so far, where he's spent time in person.

[demo dutch]

26. Wiener, FL is hardy an emtpy stadium. Dems will need FL like it or not.

[thunder rising]

32. The senile and nearly dead will forget there was a primary tomorrow!!

And that just about 70% covers the FL Democratic voters and all of Billary's support.

[libertee]

38. that's really delusional...but, get well soon

[krabigirl]

54. wow, you have to be kidding me. How offensive!!! another for the ignore list

[LostinVA]

63. What a nasty post, on so many levels

[demo dutch]

67. Thanks for your insults! Every Dem will need FL like it or not!

[aquart]

72. Can I have that quote for a poster?

"The senile and the nearly dead," Obama supporters describe the citizens of Florida.

The Ageist campaign of Obama continues: Youth against Age.

YOUTH MUST TRIUMPH!

[demo dutch]

82. Problem is youth is unreliable." Age: votes everytime all the time!

[krabigirl]

43. But she did win, delegates or not. A diverse state and large cities like Miami.

[Nedsdag]

109. What she was saying is...

"I'm declaring victory regardless of how the little people feel. Screw you."

[MagsDem]

4. She was supposed to tell FL voters they don't matter

... like Obama did? Why?

[demo dutch]

31. FL doesn't want to be told that they don't mater, Don't you get it?

[thunder rising]

Live from WPB ... IT DON'T COUNT ... GO HOME ... STFU!

[demo dutch]

56. Yeah well stupid move, I'm sure it will cost Dems plenty of votes in the GE

Dems need FL like it or not!

[democrat2thecore]

53. Then why did she agree and play by the rules where THEY DIDN'T? - until she 'played them' -nt

[democrat2thecore]

44. She DID - until Obama won South Carolina and she decided to cynically "play" Florida -nt

[MannyGoldstein]

5. But She Gave A Great Concession Speech In SC

Finally, the video of her concession speech was released:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uVA7iEtPss

[AtomicKitten]

21. I was looking all over for a link to Hillary SC's concession speech.

thanks for posting it ;)

[milkyway]

40. LOL!

[busymom]

7. She gave a great speech...

What's wrong with thanking the voters who came out to vote for you? Nothing. Where were Edwards and Obama? They should have come to FL too....The voters in Fl are not to blame for not getting delegates...it is the politicans that stripped them of their vote. Maybe Obama and Edwards shouldn't have snubbed the voters of Fl tonight.

[mrmx9]

14. I can't watch Hillary's speeches - that shouting voice is too painful and uninspiraitonal!

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[Sebass1271]

41. huh????

where did you get this from?

[forsberg]

60. here

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack-obama-backs-taliban-supporter-in.html

[tishaLA]

93. you link to a RW hate blog?

it's completely disgusting. look at the shit on the right side of the page. jeebus.

[libertee]

51. Interesting point you make ..also, heard the pundits ask

just WHAT does HE mean by change...he keeps saying ...Change is needed, I'll bring change but so far...there is nothing in the paragraph that follows...

[milkyway]

50. Hillary fled South Carolina without saying a word to the voters, and they had an actual campaign.nt

[budkin]

8. Utterly pathetic

Just laughable really.

[Nimrod2005]

12. Big time loser

[Unsane]

13. Her yelling, gratiating voice was hard to take.

[ErnestoG]

20. Like nails on a chalkboard.

I really cannot stand the woman.

[thunder rising]

48. noticed that too, did 'ya?

[busymom]

24. Her voice is hoarse

from campaigning.....get over it.

[K Gardner]

117. What happened to the "soft voice Hillary" ? Or the "emotional Hillary"? Did she lose THAT voice?

[ErnestoG]

120. the Shrike took over

[Clintonite]

16. Looks like Obama's message of hope and change didn't reach florida!

Sure the delegates don't count. But they did hold an election there, and Hillary won by almost 2-1! Obama shuold feel lucky that they all agreed to supress the voters!

[Bright Eyes]

18. She wants to win.

And she'll do whatever it takes, even if it's against the rules.

Ambition is fine, blind ambition is another.

[demo dutch]

36. What rules, to thanks voters AFTER the fact? Don't be silly, Obama ran TV ads in FL

Meanwhile, because of the archaic party system, FL voters are disenfranchised!

[Bright Eyes]

65. Yeah, the system is archaic

No doubt about that. But they should have worked within the system.

[democrat2thecore]

69. Obama DID NOT "run ads in FL" - they were NATIONAL ADS that, yes, HAD to be seen in FL -nt

[demo dutch]

90. Ads are ads. Just as stupid as the technicality by which FL was dismissed from the

archaic Primary system. There were no ads from Hillary on TV in FL, not even national ads!

[democrat2thecore]

105. They have known the Clinton's in FL for 27 YEARS. Obama never went to FL -nt

[aquart]

62. Sweetie, Hillary's ambition isn't a bit blind.

You just wish you never had to see something like that in a woman.

[demo dutch]

95. That's right when a woman is agressive, she is perceived as B*tch when it's

a man it's called a strong candidate!

[Sebass1271]

23. make up our minds to what? i already voted

if she wins the Nod. what do you want me to do? vote repuke?
no freaking way!!!..

I won't want another repubke in the white house!!

[liberalmuse]

25. I guess it all depends on our filters. We see what we want to see.

It doesn't necessarily make it so.

[vi5]

28. It's helped me make up my mind...

Every day I find myself more revolted at how her and Bill are handling this race.

I've been saying up until now that if she was the nominee I'd vote for her even if it was only voting for my daughter to see a woman president.

Now I'm convinced more than ever that I don't want her to see that this is how it would have to happen.

[libertee]

34. Eat your heart out..a moral victory is a victory...

and it makes good press.....Mr. O acted like a child last night and much more like G. Bush than any repub...can't even look an opponent in the eye..is a scary prospect.

[thunder rising]

68. What a Bush league statement. BTW: it was reported that Obama started to offer his hand when

Billary turned and left the room!

[democrat2thecore]

71. Not a "moral victory. An **ASTERISK** victory. -nt

[Maribelle]

37. I think Obama should come clean on this.

I cannot tell you how many Obama supporters were all over the streets of florida with their posters swinging in the breeze. Six million households received Obama ads.

That he allows this pitiable lie to fester, that he did not campaign in Florida, flies in the face of Floridians that know better.

[jenmarie]

58. Shhhhh!!

Come on, Maribelle! Where's your unity spirit?! :pals:

[Sebass1271]

61. I LIVE IN FLORIDA

I VOTED FOR OBAMA.. I SAW OBAMA'S ADS ON TV..!!

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!

[Maribelle]

96. Thank you. I do appreciate your honesty.

:thumbsup:

[KaryninMiami]

70. For the record, I live in Miami and never saw a poster or a flyer for Obama or Edwards

I knew about a few small meetups and events for them (but none with the candidates themselves here), but aside from the Hillary events on Friday (which were well publicized), I saw no ads (except 2 national ads for him on CNN) and there were no local media buys. At least not here in Miami Dade.

[Sebass1271]

85. I live in Miami

I saw two Obama ads. I didn't hear on the radio. but i also saw few groups in the streets for him'


not a big deal though..

What we should be worrying about is Mccain.. and all the repukes. .he is right now thanking the whitch Ileana Ross-Lethinen and the three stooges mario, lincoln and Mel.. grrrrrrr.... :puke:

[KaryninMiami]

98. Correct- the fix is in for McCain and has been in since 2000

I really believe they promised this to him in 2000 when they swiftboated him out of the election. I also think they have been planning a McCain - Clinton election for years and have been gathering amnution for attacks on Clinton since that time which is why they are so frazzled by the Obama wave of excitement. They will rig this for McCain- have already, I assume, started the process and will continue to do so. She cannot beat him-at least not in my view. I'm not sure anyone can given how good they are at their game. Obama has a slight chance just because there might be enough anti-war independants who might be able to be swayed by the buzz he creates but I can assure you- those folks will either not vote at all or they will vote for McCain. But they will not vote for Hillary. Not a chance.

[Mojorabbit]

73. I did not get anything in the mail from either of them.

He did get the votes of those who voted today though. She got the early voters which tells me he does have the momentum right now. It could change tomorrow. Interesting to watch.

[Sebass1271]

81. how do you know about he got the votes today?

i would love to know!!.

i voted for him today.. but how come hillary win for so much tough??????

[Mojorabbit]

99. I heard it on the election coverage on tv

A third of the state, I think they said...voted early.

[hezekkia]

79. floridians can wave posters for whomever they like

that's not OBAMA coming to florida to campaign. duh. Clinton, Edwards supporters also had posters, bumper stickers, etc.

Obama is not making up a "festering" lie. haha.

[Maribelle]

100. Obama campaigned in Florida on television.

amen

[jenmarie]

42. Ya know, it's fairly obvious

by now that nothing Clinton does will please those who have already made up their minds she's the evil one. Just relax and go with your disgust of her. Heck, Corpress hates her, and loves Obama, so you're in good company! Remember, it's all about UNITY!!

[Leo 9]

57. Clinton victory speech in Florida

Clinton victory speech in Florida

What a difference from the last primary. It was wheels up on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s jet Saturday evening moments after the polls closed in South Carolina, where Sen. Barack Obama soundly trounced her.

Although the Democratic National Committee has stripped Florida of its delegates, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew into the state tonight for a rally to celebrate her big victory over Obama in the state’s presidential primary.

snip

Clinton said she would work to seat Florida’s delegates at the national party convention, which will be held in late August. It would be in her own interest do so, since Florida’s delegation might provide her with the margin of victory at a closely fought convention.

“The pundits who say Florida does not count cannot ignore 2.5 million Democrats,’’ said Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla. moments before Clinton spoke.

snip

http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/29/clinton-victory-speech-in-florida/

[styersc]

59. I think she is doing just fine.

I hope that all sides drop their weapons and carry on more civilly.

[democrat2thecore]

75. A tricky campaign style - and manipulation - speaks VOLUMES - nt

[jaysunb]

92. Thanks. I'm glad "somebody" gets it.

n/t

[VotesForWomen]

84. 50% of the vote in FL is a victory; delegates or not. nt

[democrat2thecore]

104. They've known the Clinton's for 27 years. Obama did not campaign in FL - what did you expect?

[zanne]

110. A hollow victory at that. nt

[Barack_America]

86. I disagree...that "People at DU are good thinkers"

Not anymore they're not. Unfortunately.

Now regurgitation of talking points, that is a different issue entirely.

[VotesForWomen]

87. 50% of the vote in FL is a victory; delegates or not. nt

[_Wayne_]

91. People are turned off to Hillary because of morons like you

Tonight was a victory for Hillary. That you want spin her celebration into something sinister speaks volumes about your devotion to the Democratic Party.

[democrat2thecore]

97. And you were probably defending Bill Clinton last week! AND - DON'T CALL ME A MORON

That word has coded meanings here.
I did nothing to YOU. You have done nothing to ME.
Can we leave out the personal name-calling?

[Maribelle]

101. The number of Floridians that voted for Hillary shows how many are turned on by her.

Did you see that count!

You talk about an historic record. Well, maybe. We see when the finals are in.

[democrat2thecore]

103. Where Obaba campaigns - the young vote marches to the polls.

He played by the rules (as did Hillary until her defeat in SC) and now she's trying to make this look like so much more than it is. The young people knew "it didn't count" and did not show up. That is the bottom line.

[Maribelle]

107. Sorry - You're totally making that up.l

Sad, really.

[cooolandrew]

102. If 2000 voters were appalled, I am bemused at those who defend this. Florida of all states as well.

[tandem5]

106. god you people are gonna freak out when feb 5th comes around nt

[Cass]

108. How did she violate the agreement?

She showed up to thank her supporters after the polls closed. Get a grip.

[1776Forever]

114. Dem's here in Florida were told this primary didn't count - Most didn't vote!!!!!

That's how!!!!!!!!!!

[Ewellian]

118. That wasn't very civic minded.

What about the property tax ballot initiative?

[1776Forever]

122. A lot of Dem's don't own property or have lost their homes. It is VERY rough here - Believe me!

I was disgusted with the DNC and the Florida Legislature which is VERY Republican! :grr:

[Tom Strong]

112. SHE WAS AWESOME!!!

Screw all the h8ers!

[1776Forever]

113. Just like W Billary is making her own rules!!!!!!!! Be vigilant! What you see is what you get -

Shill Hill and Slick Willy!!!!!!!!!!!

Not for this voter - I will not vote for her even though she thinks she has it in her pocket - she doesn't have me!!!!!!!!!!!:grr:

[Avalux]

115. She is no different than Republicans.

One of the reasons I call myself a Democrat - we don't stoop to their level. Well guess what? Our gal Hillary has no problem with it. :mad:

[Hill_YesWeWill]

116. Well I was decided, and now I'm just really embarrassed!

:think:

[Zorro]

119. Obama gets his ass kicked in Florida

and he's in for another serious ass-whupping a week from now.