Even if there is video conclusively showing Obama intentionally snub Clinton, I say SO FUCKING WHAT?

[whatchamacallit]

This is a non-issue. If we are supposed to base our total assessment of someone's ability to lead on stuff like this, then no president has ever been, or ever will be worthy.

[mondo joe]

1. Everyone has their issues. For some it might include professionalism and

diplomacy and ability to work together in difficult situations.

[whatchamacallit]

8. Be totally honest; are you always professional and diplomatic at every moment of your life, or

just when it really counts? My guess is, like most of us you're not a saint, but you'd try with every fiber of your being to do the right thing when it really mattered.

[Tarc]

14. The difference is, he isn't running for president. Obama is.

One expects a higher degree of decorum from someone who is campaigning to be the President of the United States than one would expect from an average joe (pun unintended).

[whatchamacallit]

17. According to American lore any Tom, Dick, and Harry (or Joe) can be president

And every prez is HUMAN. Just look at the beloved Bill, a great president AND a womanizing dirt-bag! This is a non-issue.

[Tarc]

19. Wrong. Were you A-OK with Dick Cheney's "go fuck youself" to Leahy?

There's a level of decency one expects from a holder of public office, and of one who is seeking office. Obama's recent behavior, from this to "you're likable enough", puts him well below the bar.

[whatchamacallit]

25. Were you A-OK with Bill's extramarital shenanigans? What level of decency were you expecting there?

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what the president does with his verbs OR his dick. As long as he's competent and has the best interests of the general populace at heart, I'm good.

[Tarc]

31. Apples and oranges

This was a question of simple decency and maturity.

If your standards are lower than most people's, that's your prerogative. But don't sit there and dictate what others should and shuold not find objectionable.

[whatchamacallit]

35. Riiiight... Thanks for clearing that up...

"But don't sit there and dictate what others should and should not find objectionable."

- Isn't that what you been trying to do from your very 1st post? You want me and everybody else to find Obama's behavior OBJECTIONABLE! Can't have it both ways Tarc.

[Tarc]

37. Not really, no

From the first post, I have pointed out that those holding public office are held to a higher standard in this area of concern; decorum and professionalism. If you think they aren't, ask Howard Dean what a scream does to a campaign, or Bush Sr. to a glance at a watch, or to Gore for a sigh.

[whatchamacallit]

38. So you're saying Dean, Poppy, and Gore, got what they deserved?

Cuz that's what it sounds like.

[JuniperLea]

40. All that said...

When he was Prez, he was gracious. Womanizing has no bearing on being gracious to others; it's one of the evils that befalls people in power. Kennedy was gracious and charming, and a womanizer. Shoot... Nixon filled in the damn pool where the orgies were held! Get thee to a history book!

A statesman should know when to be gracious and professional.

[mondo joe]

24. I'll be quite honest: No one is perfect. And yet these moments can be lethal - look at

George Bush the elder and his famous watch-glance moment.

More honesty: if I snubbed a colleague as it is suggested Obama did, I'd be in trouble.

[whatchamacallit]

26. Fair enough

Maybe he deserves to take a hit for it, but again, it's waaaaay overblown.

[suston96]

2. Yeah! After all why cannot you be a uniter and a changer and a snubber at the same time.....!

[MADem]

3. Yes, petulance, pique, temperament and maturity have NO PLACE in a Presidential contest!!!

:rofl:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. If you're going to be the inspiration candidate you have to be likable and O isn't

[AndyA]

5. Reminds me of George Bush.

Childish. Unprofessional. And completely inappropriate from someone who wants to occupy the highest office in the land.

[2rth2pwr]

6. He's running on a platform of unity, bringing people together,

moving beyond the petty politics of yesterday, looking forward to days filled with hope and rainbows, believing in the power of goodness and cotton candy, and days of endless sun and prosperity for all.

If he can't be bothered to show civility and basic manners at a time in our history that is crying out for healing and coming together in the effort to provide basic rights to the common man, and if his reaction to the normal give and take of the election process is to show his frustration over some perceived slight, his soaring rhetoric may as well be looked at as putting pretty lipstick on a hopelessly ugly and crass pig.

[tblue]

7. Why didn't he snub the A-hole at the podium???

:shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

9. well there isn't video

but if there were, AND if it showed he deliberately snubbed her, it would hurt him badly politically.

Americans don't like when men are ungentlemanly to women. It's a chivalry thing.

It boosted Clinton immeasurably in her first NY race when Lazio was a dick to her.

[Pathwalker]

10. There was a thread last night where someone was angry

that Obama didn't commit bodily violence against Hillary. It disappeared VERY quickly, but not before a few posters agreed with the sentiment. You'd think everyone would realize that it's not a good idea to advocate violence against a presidential candidate, apparently not. It was the low point of the night, for me. That's how far this forum has sunk. Sick.

[golddigger]

11. Well it seems your post

opened up a can of worms. I would expect it from Bushit not from one of our candidates.

[whatchamacallit]

12. I admit, if true, it wasn't a classy move

but I'd be posting the same message if it had been hillary being accused of snubbing Obama. it may be shitty, but it isn't all-defining.

[Catherine Vincent]

13. There is video.

It was just before the SOTU address. That's how we started talking about it last night.

[whatchamacallit]

15. Thanks for the heads up, do you have a link?

[Catherine Vincent]

16. No, but you may want to try cspan. nt

[Tarc]

22. No, there is no video

I began my initial post;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4256192

while listening to CNN's pre-address coverage. They described the scene as it happened off-camera.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. I don't think there is...

if there were, it would be all over the internet and the news shows.

There are two AP photos.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. But there is video.

That's how this conversation got started last night. DUers were watching the claptrap just before the SOTU address and started talking about how Obama dissed Hillary. I said in another thread, I don't understand why the networks are not referring back to that because it was on all the networks. I'm thinking it may be more damning than the actual pictures.

[whatchamacallit]

41. But where is it?

This seems counterintuitive; the media, who clearly want to play this up, would be playing it 24/7.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. I really don't think so

I've seen the story covered on the news today at least 4 times, and they only show still pics. If there were video, it would be all over the place, and every frame would be dissected here like some Emily Post Zapruder film.

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Monkeyfunk, listen to what I am saying.

There has to be video, DUers saw it with their own eyes. The networks for some reason choose not to play it. There may have been some that dvr'ed it but I doubt it, this was Bush's SOTU address mind you, so who would want to record that? :)

[Bluestar]

18. He had to know that all eyes (and cameras) were on him and HIllary

last night. That should have clued him in (like a good politician would know) that he should make a point to greet her graciously. This lack of judgment is what has me concerned about his candidacy.

And don't tell me he's not a politician, that he is a different kind of candidate. Our society demands certain respect for each other, particularly in politics. And he professes to be running a different kind of campaign. Why is he so anxious to "reach across the aisle" to Republicans and can't even be gracious to someone in his own party? Despite what has gone on between them, he is going to receive 100X worse from the Republicans in the general.

[whatchamacallit]

23. Well...

"Our society demands certain respect for each other, particularly in politics"

- maybe on your planet, but here on earth it's normally a bloodbath. Again, if that's what really happened, it was a lame move. Hillary has had some as well.

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[anamandujano]

20. It's another indication that he's not ready for prime time.

Anybody in a room with cameras, being considered for leader of the free world, add to that his campaign slogan, should be on best behavior.

[Rageneau]

21. The "O" stands for Arr-O-gance.

[JuniperLea]

27. It's rude, telling, unprofessional...

And no way for a statesman to behave, that's why!

Sheesh.

[whatchamacallit]

30. See #17 n/t

[incapsulated]

29. Did you know Hillary's eyes misted up at one point?

NEITHER DID I, I WONDER WHY THAT WASN'T HEADLINE NEWS FOR A FUCKING WEEK.

[whatchamacallit]

32. It shouldn't have been. n/t

[incapsulated]

34. Ask the people on this forum who posted about it 24/7

Why *this* is a non-issue, then.

Oh, wait, I know, it's about *their* candidate.

It's all bullshit, all of it.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Agreed. n/t

[Quixote1818]

33. I wouldn't blame him if he did. The Clinton's have been hitting below the belt. nt