Election Percentage Results - To Date

[Lucinda]

Per CNN:

• IA - Clinton 29% - Edwards 30% - Obama 38%
  
• NH - Clinton 39% - Edwards 17% - Obama 37%
  
• NV - Clinton 51% - Edwards 04% - Obama 45%
  
• MI - Clinton 55% - Uncommitted 40%
  
• SC - Clinton 27% - Edwards 18% - Obama 55%
  

[joshcryer]

1. Popular vote doesn't matter.

[Lucinda]

2. Everything matters. Until it's time to count the delegates.

[joshcryer]

3. Popular vote is irrelevant. Delegates only count.

:sarcasm:

[Lucinda]

4. I'm a little slow tonight!

:hi: I've been avoiding the lovefest here. I forgot to put on my "DU translator" hat. :D

[joshcryer]

8. It's OK, I forgot the 'sarcasm' tag in my first comment.

I'm a secret fan of yours. ;P

[Lucinda]

11. Awwwww......that's sweet! I should have caught it though.

I had been trying to get the silly little columns lined up, and avoid the BS here tonight, and I zoned out. We've been chatting for days now. I just wasn't thinking.
I know you're not a

[BeatleBoot]

5. Definitely shows a trend.

Doesn't it?

Michigan will go Dem if it's Hillary or Edwards, it will be a toss up otherwise.

Just a prediction.

[Lucinda]

6. Michigan had almost 600k turnout to vote, and thats without

anyone (except for DK for a few days) campaigning. I think thats pretty great.

Bigger Rep turnout, of course...but I think it in play for the GE. As long as they don't get too mad if we dont seat their delegates.

[BeatleBoot]

10. Here's the Delegate count per CNN

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D

Clinton: 230

Obama: 152

Edwards: 61

This includes Super Delegates (which I've discovered tonight from the Obama lemmings that super delegates are "bullshit" and "without merit" - to put it nicely)


realclearpolitics has it this way (link is at a previous post):

Clinton: 246

Obama: 173

Edwards: 52


Last time I checked, Super Delegates counted.

[Lucinda]

12. Thanks!

[DUyellow]

40. "Last time I checked, Super Delegates counted." they can change also, that is why some people say...

at this moment that super delegates are not a big deal. Look at your own post, you have two different set of numbers.

[sandnsea]

7. We're Electing Delegates

You can post the percentages ten times a day for the next 9 days. Obama has won the delegates in 3 states and tied another.

Obama has won 400,000 votes

Hillary has won 254,000 votes

Individual votes are not the official tally in caucus states.

Obama is winning.

[joshcryer]

9. See post #1.

LOL, awesome reply.

[Lucinda]

13. You can ignore the 593,837 Michigan voters

But i'm not going to. :)

[sandnsea]

14. Some don't mind cheating, I won't condone it n/t

[joshcryer]

15. So you're for not disenfranchising millions of voters?

[sandnsea]

17. I'm for abiding by the rules

Hillary manipulating Michigan and Florida is as low as trying to disenfranchise the LV culinary workers. I don't know what kind of person ignores their unethical behavior.

[joshcryer]

18. Well, the rules have a harsh punishment for millions of eligible voters.

Don't think that those disenfranchised voters won't lash back some GE if they're not represented.

[sandnsea]

19. Against the Clintons and the DLC

I'd just sit it out if they got away with manipulating the convention like that.

[joshcryer]

24. Actually, if there was a clear majority I'm sure you wouldn't mind those delegates being seated.

It's only in the event those delegates actually matter that you would not want them seated. Well, since they're not going for "your guy," anyway.

It's a double standard of epic proportions.

[sandnsea]

27. When there is a clear winner -- in August

I'm sure the delegates will be seated. And that will be fine. Until then, Hillary hasn't won anything and it's unethical to say she has.

[joshcryer]

29. No one says those delegates count at the moment.

[sandnsea]

33. Then what are you arguing with me about n/t

[Lucinda]

21. Where exactly in the rules does it say to remove their name from the ballot?

And why didn't they do it in Florida?

[sandnsea]

30. The rules that the delegates aren't seated

And pretending she's won something in these two states when she knows it's a big bunch of bull. It's against the rules, cheating, unethical.

[Lucinda]

38. NONE of them were required to remove their name. The primaries were NOT cancelled.

Voters were supposed to vote. They did.

They are ALL on the ballot in Florida. Are they ALL cheating in Florida too?

There is no way the the party is willing to piss off MI and Florida before a general election. They have very likley always planned on seating the delegates. It would be crazy not to.

[sandnsea]

43. Claiming these elections count for anything is cheating

Condone it if you want, I don't.

[DUyellow]

42. you sound like sean hannity

[Lucinda]

16. She didn't campaign there. And that was all that was required.

It's one of the very few mistakes that I think JE has made. It simply wasn't necessary.

[sandnsea]

20. And she didn't win anything

because there aren't any delegates to win.

[joshcryer]

22. Actually, they allocated delegates in MI.

It just depends on whether nor not the DNC will allow them to be seated. They probably will on grounds of fairness. Otherwise those delegates will go home very angry, and may boycott the elections come the GE very badly.

[sandnsea]

26. They probably will -- in August -- to the winner

like they always do at the convention.

Barack Obama will get Michigan's and Florida's delegates -- in August.

Right now? Nobody has them.

[joshcryer]

28. Yeah, but if Hillary wins (or it's close) you'll complain because they're seating the delegates.

And "breaking the rules."

[sandnsea]

32. No it won't be, they'll ALL go to the winner in August

It happens that way every time. A clear winner emerges and all the delegates pledge to that winner. When that happens, Michigan and Florida will be seated. They will not contribute to the win.

[joshcryer]

34. If there's not a "clear winner" I'm saying.

Their delegates will be contested hotly if there's not a clear winner. I do NOT want this to happen.

[sandnsea]

36. I don't think that will happen

I think we'll have a good sense of a winner on the 5th and the remaining states will swing one way or the other. People are too herd-like these days.

[joshcryer]

37. I hope you're right.

As much as I'm enjoying these primaries, I do not want to go into a tight brokered convention.

[Lucinda]

23. Tell that to the 328,151 people who voted for her.

[sandnsea]

25. I'm sure they know

and the honest ones wouldn't want someone to have their votes counted unethically.

[joshcryer]

31. The honest ones would feel slighted that they had no control over their state party.

And that they were disenfranchised for no reason whatsoever. But you agree with me that their delegates will be seated, so we're on the same page.

[sandnsea]

35. They should know rules are rules

When you break them, there are consequences. This is a Party election and they are less regulated than elections to office.

[joshcryer]

39. The voters didn't break those rules. In fact, the GOP is who did it.

They basically had zero, absolutely zero control over it.

[sandnsea]

41. No, Michigan Dems moved theirs

All by their little selves.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801511.html

And all the Dems in Florida voted to move theirs too.

[joshcryer]

45. I read differently, but I cannot find the link, and I must sleep. In any case, the voters can't...

...fairly held responsible for something their state party does. What did you expect them to do, march on the state party headquarters and stop them from doing it?

There's more to it than that link implies.

[sandnsea]

46. Uh, yes I do expect them to

Either get involved with your party or don't bitch when your party screws up. No, there isn't more to it than the link implies. This was a power move by some establishment Dems, they lost.

[Radical Activist]

44. Horrible showing for Clinton

She lost twice badly. She has only two narrow victories in states she was supposed to have won by a wide margin. What a disaster her campaign has turned out to be.