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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:13 AM
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LOL! "pookie" and "ray-ray" are racially identified names? Prove it.
Because I sure don't see jackshit for evidence of it in my search. And furthermore, pookie certainly doesn't seem to be the perjorative that some are claiming it is. This is just beyond fucking ridiculous. Even if some African Americans do have an "Aunt Pookie" or "Cousing Ray Ray", so what? What's wrong with that?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:13 AM
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1. They're not.
But hysterical Hillbots will say anything.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:14 AM
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3. that may be the stupidist most mendacious candidate thread
yet. What a pile of shit.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:15 AM
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:19 AM
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8. Oh c'mon
There's quite a few threads that give that some heavy competition.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:33 AM
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21. Oh goodie sniffas back...
glad to see you still on my ass..
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:14 AM
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2. Ha! Consider the source on that one. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:16 AM
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5. Of course they are. That's what made it funny.
Ethnic groups can laugh at themselves - really.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:43 PM
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43. Riiight.
:thumbsup:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:17 AM
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6. Don't know about "pookie", but "ray ray" certainly is.
From Urban dictionary:
1. RAY RAY
Thumbsup 115 up, 33 down Thumbsdown

90% of all black peoples name.
1.sheeyit ray ray get back in the car
2.ray ray get back in the house
by Howdy nut nut Nov 11, 2004 email it

2. RAY RAY
Thumbsup 37 up, 17 down Thumbsdown

Playful name for Ray, however the use of two names symbolizes an endearing phrase for a mulatto.
Oh wow, I think we should call Ray Ray and see if he knows anyone...
by Traci Cappiello Jun 13, 2005 email it
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:21 AM
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10. Urban dictionary??
And one of these so-called "definitions" uses the word "mulatto"? What!

That is horrible.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:23 AM
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13. Ummm... that is the best way to determine how words are actually used/ and what
they mean to people.
It proves the point that it is a disparaging racist term.... and Obama shouldn't be using it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:31 AM
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18. Nobody uses that word anymore.
It is highly offensive. It's pretty obvious that a racist posted your second definition. And sorry, but I'm not going to believe what a racist tells me about African American culture.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:33 AM
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19. You're not going to believe that a racist uses a racist word to define a racist phrase
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:33 AM by jlake
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:46 AM
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27. No, racists give racist definitions...
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:48 AM by Kristi1696
And therefore, his claim that the term itself is racist, is not credible.

Is that what you were looking for, a racist definition?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:11 AM
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All of the definitions are along these lines. I did not cherry-pick.
That is the entire point. It IS a stereotyping racist "name".
And Obama should not have used it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:18 PM
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48. On the web yet? Why not just post from, "Blackpeoplelikeme.com"
I mean really... :crazy:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:16 AM
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35. I live in WASP world and have known two Ray-Rays. Well actually, one
was Ray-ray but the other was Rae-rae.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:35 AM
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39. Good to know. That does not lessen the fact that it is a stereotypical pejorative used
to denigrate African Americans.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:23 PM
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50. Just saying I had never heard of it before today
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:44 PM
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44. Nominated: Most stupid post of the day.
And that takes effort. :scared:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:47 PM
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45. Thanks. Glad that providing evidence to my claims makes me stupid in your book.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 12:47 PM by jlake
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:18 AM
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7. So now Obama's a self-loathing bigot. What will they think of next?
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:21 AM by jefferson_dem
n/t
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:21 AM
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9. I know dave chapelle used the term "ray-ray" once. Obviously a self-loathing black man.
Anyone else think this topic is stupid beyond comprehension?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:22 AM
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12. No, I am tired of Obama's homophobia, stereotypes and race baiting.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:33 AM
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20. Me
:hi:
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:38 AM
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41. Steve Harvey used it when talking about Rae Caruth in "The Kings of Comedy"
I don't think Steve Harvey qualifies as a racist, either.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:21 AM
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11. It's incredibly racist. I have photo proof!
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:23 AM by krispos42



See, it's a teddy bear OF COLOR!!!!!!!

:eyes:

<edit: fixed image link>
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:26 AM
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16. I get it. Garfield = self- loathing cat? n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:30 AM
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17. No no no...
His teddy bear is named "Pookie". Always has been. And Garfield's some 30 years old now, too.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:49 AM
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29. And when I was a kid I was given an Aunt Jemima doll.
It was handmade by one of my Southern aunts. It was cute too, but racist nonetheless. I have transcended my racist Southern background, but it doesn't look like Obama has.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:23 AM
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14. Really monied WASPs
have some of the most eccentric nick names of which I've ever heard.

I could give you a long list of them, but won't.

One of them was Pooka though.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:41 AM
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26. Worthington Chesterfield Barrington XVIII?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:32 AM
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38. It's by being awarded names like that they get goofy nicknames.
I know one guy who has four names and he is on a second name basis with the world.

His god parents were the Duke and Duchess of Windsor and he's the one who inspired me to re label trust funds as "karmic disability pensions."
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:25 AM
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15. Oh the dripping irony
of an OBAMATON looking for LINKS.

How unintentionally funny you are. Also, though you had the World to choose from, this is the level of feint and distraction that you choose to start a thread over. How telling.....
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:34 AM
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24. Ah, the clever irony of a lawyer spending his hours billing clients and posting
obnoxious little bits of semiotic deconstruction on a website filled with about 20 partisans screaming at each other in a bubble.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:34 AM
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22. See " Can Pookie (& Nay-Nay) Get Some Love?" post.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:34 AM by goldcanyonaz
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:34 AM
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23. Looks like it is.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:37 AM
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25. You know, they really are
and I say this as a supporter of Sen Obama. Oh, and the fact that they are racially coded doesn't bother me in the least.

As an example, Stuart Scott, an African American host on SportsCenter,uses those names:

BOB GARFIELD: One of those things is an occasional homey tribute to an outstanding player that invokes a sense of black community as extended family. It sounds like: Awww, he' making his kinfolk so proud! -- you know, um, Ray-Ray and Pookie, Lucretia, Moeesha, Baby Daddy and all of them. And where did that come from?

STUART SCOTT: Life. That came from life. That came from--every cookout, every barbecue that you go to with extended family -- we all know somebody named Pookie -- we all know a Knuck-Knuck , we-- there's a Ray-Ray -- isn't there a Ray-Ray in your family somewhere? In, in your family or your neighborhood there's a Ray-Ray. When there's a big barbecue, Ray-Ray is there, Moeesha Baby Daddy -- we as black America know those people. And that won't -- look - that one's for us. That's just for us. That's not for white America.

http://www.onthemedia.org/yore/transcripts/transcripts_...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:48 AM
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28. Look! a duck!





<--- waits for 3 new threads on ducks
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:11 AM
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33. You quack me up, Monkeyfunk!
Besides why'd you post a all white duck? You got an issue with those brown mallard ducks, huh?
Birds of a feather ya know... :rofl:
okay I'll stop now...
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:54 AM
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30. Actually, I now understand why you're so upset.
You've been using the term for months, and you had no clue that it had a racial undertone, did you?


Since I'm sure you'll deny using it, here's a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:55 AM
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31. Yeah, they are
Obama was trying to sound like a Southerner, & encourage SC blacks to get out the vote. It's not a big deal.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:21 PM
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49. Shows what you know. Blacks in the north use those names too..
Maybevyou don't know blacks in the north that well so you just wouldn't know about that. But you certainly shouldn't assume to be an authority on the matter.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:36 PM
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53. Who should?
You? This all just people's opinions. I live in the South, my sister-in-law is African-American, and I've spent a lot of time w/her family in South Carolina. So I've got some knowledge about the South. And Obama was making a regional play, trying to seem Southern & relate to blacks in South Carolina. He was talking to a black audience, and making a kind of inside joke. In context, he was using "Ray-Ray" & Pookie as half-affectionate term to describe a relative who doesn't bother to vote. Someone else posted that some black preachers have used the same terms to describe members who don't come to church. He's telling audience members to drag their less-political family members to the polls as well - and using some Southern vernacular to indicate that he's really "one of us". Except he's really a Chicago Midwesterner, so the joke fell short & might even sound patronizing. But it's NOT A BIG DEAL! DU seems to fly into a frenzy at almost anything.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:58 AM
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32. I Used To Call My Girlfriend "Pookie"...
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 11:19 AM by WillyT
She'd give me the international sign for, "Oh, Vomit!"

And that would be that.

:rofl:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:13 AM
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34. My sister had a black and white cat named Pookie....
So who is that insulting to? Black cats? White cats?

Seriously, this is silly people....which is why my remarks are silly
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:20 AM
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36. Ray-Ray


John Waters _ A Dirty Shame
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:23 AM
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37. Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn used "pookie" as nicknames...
In the movie "Adam's Rib". They used it for each other, "pookie" for her and "pooky" for him.

And yeah, they're about as white as you get.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:35 AM
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40. "Pookie" means "sweetie" or "honey," etc. Movie Victor, Victoria - she calls him Pookie
as a term of endearment. I've used it occasionally all my life. I call my little doggie "pookie" sometimes.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:42 PM
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42. They are in my neck of the woods. But I see nothing wrong with
Obama using those names.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:57 PM
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46. Well, he didn't say Tyrone and Shaniqua.
:shrug:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:14 PM
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47. Or Shenana or Bay-Bay.... In my neck of the woods..
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 01:15 PM by Kahuna
Pookie and Ray Ray aren't code for lazy and shiftless as some have implied. Pookie and Ray Ray are more or less your average peeps who don't really pay attention to the news or politics or going to church. They are more the good time people who like to be socially popular. I've heard black ministers in Newark, NJ tell parishioners on Bring Your Family to Church Day, to bring in Pookie and Ray Ray. Maybe it's just once again a black thing that maybe white folks don't understand.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:24 PM
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51. Are Biff and Muffy?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:27 PM
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52. Maybe you mean rere? That is a pretty common name.
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