Sexism from Hillary supporters? What next?

[Bicoastal]

The title of a recent post suggests that, by sending out an e-mail defending her husband against charges leveled at him by both Hillary and Bill Clinton, Michelle Obama is "whining."

Although crudely stated, this WOULD be a perfectly acceptable criticism--except that I know from experience that if Hillary Clinton was accused by either the media OR a DU poster of "whining" about anything, Clinton supporters would immediately level charges of sexism at whoever used this loaded word. And we'd see the same old "When Obama does it, it's being assertive; when Hillary does it, it's being shrill" posts all over again.

But for some reason, it is acceptable to use this word against Michelle Obama, not to mention several other ugly and cruel allegations that seem incredibly mean-spirited when in used in reference to a Democrat's non-office-holding spouse. Which again, MIGHT be appropriate, if in very poor taste--except for repeated use of the word "whining" and other sexist language used ALL OVER the thread.

Practice what you preach, Hillary supporters.

[maddiejoan]

1. To be fair

Most of us think Barack is also whining.

[Occam Bandage]

2. "Whining," while juvenile, is not sexist.

[TwilightZone]

3. How on earth is "whining" sexist?

Whining and shrill aren't even remotely the same thing.

[mondo joe]

4. Oh. don't worry - both ofthe Obamas are whining.

Whining is not a gender specific activity.

[rodeodance]

5. "would"--as in future tense--so you are posting a conjured up Hypothetical.

.....Clinton supporters would immediately level charges of sexism at whoever used this loaded word.

[AtomicKitten]

6. No worries. The Clinton Victim Card is in play as a backup strategy when all else fails.

[Dogmudgeon]

11. Is that why Obama made an ad complaining that the Clintons ...

... would "do anything to win"?

That's the big Obama talking point this week. The implication is that the Clintons are just too powerful for Team Obama.

--p!

[AtomicKitten]

12. check my sig line for that "anything to win" strategy

[Dogmudgeon]

14. Yeah, you pour that same whine

And I don't even know what your gender is.

--p!

[AtomicKitten]

17. Ha! Please keep supporting that cheese! It is endearing to fellow Democrats!

Not. TeamClinton is driving away Democrats in droves. Don't believe me? Check the polls. Her name recognition monster lead is being decimated and the Clintons have nobody to blame but themselves.

[Dogmudgeon]

19. In SC: Hillary is down 1 point, Obama is down 4 (Zogby)

Johnny E. picked up the slack, and the Keith Number is 17.

Droves, you say.

--p!

[AtomicKitten]

22. Keep defending the Clintons undemocratic and unDemocratic campaign

of voter suppression and race-baiting. Your participation in that mess will assist in fracturing the party. I am ashamed that alleged fellow Democrats are turning a blind eye to the very same cheese that disgusted us when employed by the GOP. The fact that you fail to make that connection stands in stark contrast to others. Perhaps you've missed them coming out in the press saying so.

[Dogmudgeon]

23. Like what?

I must read about the Clintons' reign of evil 50 times a day here. When I try to get answers about actual events, I get the same five or six trivial answers: The blowjob. The marijuana joke. The smackdown of the GOP prosecutor (what 'is' is). NAFTA. The smackdown of the GOP over the welfare bill.

In short, a couple of (possible) policy failures and a swift boatload of spin originating with anti-Clinton lefties like Cockburn and St Claire and Hitchens, who still scream bloody murder about Al Gore, too. Capitol Hill grousing, gossip, and grudges. And links to the "me, too!" crowd writing to please their peer group.

You have no case about voter suppression; in Nevada especially, incidents were reported on all sides. But if you do, provide some actionable evidence that a grand jury can be empaneled to investigate. And you have no case about race-baiting, although you yourselves are quick to scream it from the rooftops, in full throat, and often.

Hillary could make these very same non-cases. And if you were correct about Hillary as a master liar, she would be spending her energy on serious dirty tricks. But making two or three verbal blunders per week is not a profile of deceit, and being able to deal with electoral attacks is not the vice of the hell-bound.

When you win a state, you gloat like pro wrestlers; when you lose, you scream that your votes have been stolen. And you scream "corporate!" just to hear yourselves scream. Appealing to sympathy has turned into Obama's primary political modus operandi, and if he doesn't apply a little of that "change" and "hope" to his OWN candidacy, the whining will destroy him. He will, at length, convince the voters that he really is too weak to deal with even mild election-time combat.

But unlike Obama's supporters' behavior toward Hillary, damn few of us Hillary defenders will gloat. Barack Obama is an excellent candidate making a potentially fatal mistake. And, yes, I will likewise express my concerns to those who DO gloat over his potential self-destruction.

Since you have no case whatsoever, you are down to trying to invoke shame. If Hillary wins the nomination, you will bolt from the party -- and Obama has already spoken about that possibility. And this is MY fault, how?

I'm defending two of the best statespeople the Democratic Party has ever produced from the sensation-seeking, slogan-chanting, gossipy, whining branch of the Left that would rather be hip, arch, and ironic, and whine about "the sheeple", than actually take responsibility for changing what's wrong with this world. No, unlike Barack Obama, the Clintons are not perfect, but I have no hunger for perfection. Nor I am seeking a Leader or a rock star to inspire me. I want a President who can run the affairs of state with a modicum of intelligence and respect, someone whom I have a chance of lobbying when I disagree with policy.

And I want a president who won't whine and present him or herself as a poor waif at the mercy of a mean and cruel world. If a murderous tyrant like Saddam Hussein can spit in the eye of the world ten seconds before his execution, an American president ought to at least be able to laugh off the excesses of a campaign season. I may vote for Hillary, but I still want to be able to pull the lever for Barack Obama with confidence and pride on November 9th of this year should he win -- or in the future should he fail.

--p!

[AtomicKitten]

24. "I'm defending two of the best statespeople the Democratic Party has ever produced"

I will no longer defend the Clintons after having done so for the past two decades because their behavior is indefensible, although I do note your technique of marginalizing, or trying to marginalize people that are no longer interested in participating in the delusion that the Clintons are the "best statespeople the Democratic Party has ever produced."

It isn't going to work with me because I towed the party line for years. You lump me carelessly into a pile of people that aren't you; your analysis of me as part of a group of supporters is as dismissive as it is superficial two-dimensional bullshit. It is laughable that you actually think there are Clinton supporters and the rest are "you people." Jeez.

I do recognize the M.O. of the brusque dismissal of those that question the Clintons. I know because I used to do the same. Good luck with all that because the reaction to the Clintons' vile behavior is very real and across the board. You can't, try as you might, keep a lid on that.

There is no pride to be had in turning a blind eye to people like the Clintons. But, please, have at. That's your prerogative. I am exercising mine.

[Pathwalker]

7. If you think whining is something only women do,

you should come to my house, where everyone is sick. I've got three sick males who could give you an up close and personal lesson of what this word means. just don't stand too close, like I said they're sick.

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Whining is sexist? Who knew?

There have been a few pro-Obama threads with accusations of whining toward Clinton supporters. Sexism toward a woman? That's not ironic at all -- therefore, it's the highest form of irony!

There is also another issue involved: repeated complaining that the Clintons are too strong and Obama is too weak will reinforce a strongly negative image of Obama. I do not think Obama wants that to happen.

BTW, you use that "inoculate against criticism" technique pretty well. Example: And we'd see the same old "When Obama does it, it's being assertive; when Hillary does it, it's being shrill" posts all over again. On the other hand, there are a lot of Obama people who think just that way.

And they'll do anything to win.

--p!

[rox63]

9. Hillary has Bill to do all the whining for her n/t

[durrrty libby]

10. Ahhh Stop your hysterical hormonal bitching.

:evilgrin:

[Dogmudgeon]

13. YOU SAID A BAD WORD!

"Hormonal."

That's just sexist against moanals!

:spank:

--p!

[durrrty libby]

18. Just testing the Give Someone the Vapors Over the Internet theory

[William769]

15. Racism from Obama supporters. NT

[Texas_Kat]

16. Over the years, I've found the male gender to be the whiniest

Women don't have time to whine as much, we've got better things to do.

[VotesForWomen]

20. first obama folks cry racism, now they're crying sexism. give it a rest already. nt

[calico1]

21. Since when is whining sexist?

I have known whiners of both sexes and in varying age ranges.