Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Kucinich drops out.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:54 PM
Original message
Kucinich drops out.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM by Heaven and Earth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3155002

This is a surprise to me. I thought he'd stay in all the way, the same as in 2004.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'd forgotten he was still there
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I know all your fellow DUers who gave their hearts and souls to him will find
your tasteless post hysterically funny.

What a cruel thing to say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. just another person to ignore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
87. Consider it done!
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. It's hardly cruel eom
Kucinich has been a non-factor since Day 1 in terms of polling and votes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
28. But people have cared passionately about him and his message. It IS cruel
to be flip at a time when they must be so very disappointed.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
105. Yes, Gateley a few of us know how it feels when your candidate
leaves,it is not the best feeling. I commend all of Dennis's supporters who supported him. But Dennis may need your help again in his own state, he is up for re election and up against 4 other people who want his seat, now is the time for his supporters to support him cause we all know how he supports us. Dennis is a good guy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
61. Nor is it cruel to have a mixed...
Nor is it cruel to have a mixed drink front of a recovering alcoholic... or dance on a grave, or call the ideal candidate for many people ineffectual in so many terms. None of it's cruel-- it's too fucking stupid and brainless to be cruel.

No, it's not cruel-- it's just stupid, puerile and petty. But on the other hand, I imagine it's quite self-validating, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #61
115. Exactly
May be petty and tasteless, but it's not cruel.

I put a high threshhold on what cruel is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
68. It isn't only about polling and delegates and money. It's about getting a message out
that your MSM won't tell. Neither will your main stream candidates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #68
116. That's exactly what DK said on Air America last week...
The MSM isn't covering his campaign, unless it's to say that he's not getting enough support...:eyes:

And that the MSM is successfully choosing our candidates for us...:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
83. Yeah, that's why he won the Candidate Fun Run here
and a couple of online polls of independent voters. Some "non-factor".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
50. You're like some forever asshole
Unbelievable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #50
71. Or a just plain asshole. nm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
86. Then the MSM and the money-oriented electoral process have done their job well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
2. gah!
;(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. It's Hillary's fault!
I personally think all of the candidates should have hung in there until Super Tuesday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. i wish he could have stayed in, i love Dennis and it just makes me sad to see him drop out.
he's still on my ballot though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #7
32. So the OP in the quoted thread seems to think...sigh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #2
22. Aw, Chimps
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:03 PM by WesDem
:pals:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Thanks Wes and a big hug for all the DK supporters.
i'm a realist but i have to say i'm really sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
40. I really feel sad for our country. I think the media treated Dennis like a cheap trick.
Shame on them.

And thank you Dennis for your continued progressive work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 PM
Response to Original message
4. As an Obama supporter, I hate to see Kucinich go.
If Kucinich had much shot at being a serious contender, I would've supported him 100%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
5. He's announced that he's going to be restarting his impeachment effort next Monday
the day of juniors State of the Union. :rofl:

On to bigger battles. And I LOVE his timing!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Now HE should be
the majority leader of the House of Reps instead of Pelosi-just like Dodd should take over the senate from Reid-still a lot of good things DK can do for the country and the progressive wing of the party-you know, the opposite side of Hillary
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. He will also be helping the downstream elections by doing this now
He gets attention by doing it on juniors "big day", AND we keep "Reps are really bad" in the news all the way to election day. DK is a smart guy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #17
48. Perfect! Dennis in the House, Dodd in the Senate -- we'll kick ass! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #17
59. Those are exactly the two guys who should be heading up the next congress.
Let's get John Edwards elected and make it happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
6. He's facing some real competition for his seat
Keeping his seat may not be as easy as it's been the last few years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
37. Meh. Dennis loves a good fight
and he is running from a position of strength in his Congressional district.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. But if he drops out, he'll have an extra $350,000 to use to fight that good fight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. Give up his Congressional seat? Why?
He'll keep his seat, I'm not worried. I live here. Even our county party chair agrees, none of the people running against Dennis for his Congressional seat is going to win. They're just not up to it.

He's very committed to the people in his district, he's not planning to walk away from them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. I don't think he's going to walk away from his district. Quite the opposite.
I've heard he might be in for a challenge, and I don't blame him for putting his constituents first if there's a chance his seat might be contested, either by a Democrat or a Republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
84. I'm so glad to hear this
I've read that he really cares about the folks in his district and does his best to help them out. I know one bozo running against him in the primary has corporate backing and doesn't even live in the district! I've sent money to his Congressional campaign and will try to do so again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #84
100. Dennis' staff is the best
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 08:32 PM by OzarkDem
I work with many of them helping members of his district. He has always had the best staffers of any member of Congress I know of. Hey Marty Gelfand :hi:

Marty and a supporter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
8. I'm so sorry. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
10. That sucks
But it's not unexpected
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
11. No point in voting, then.
Not for me. Don't want to choose between cancer and polio. Funny, though--a Kucinich worker called me today to contribute. I'm hoping it is too late to take him off our primary ballot so I can vote for him next Tuesday (early voting).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. ANY of the Dems will be better than a Republican
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
82. but you don't vote for a Republican in a Democratic primary
and if I have to hold my nose and vote for someone I despise in the GE, I sure don't have to do it in the primary. I can either vote Kucinich or write "God Pity the USA" on my ballot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #82
94. I thought you meant the GE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. what about down-ballot?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM by Heaven and Earth
We have an excellent chance of getting a better healthcare system (speaking of cancer and polio...), no matter who is the executive face on it, because it is originating in congress (more and better democrats!). Why? Read... "The lessons of '94":

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_lessons_of_94
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
81. Our Feb 5 primary is only for President
all other offices will be voted on in another primary May 20.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. We need him back in the Ohio 10th District
we don't need the GOP to steal another Congressional seat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #29
80. I've sent him money for his Congressional race
and will when I can afford to again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
14. *sigh*
I saw this coming... he's got too much on his place this time around...

I'm glad he's still fighting for impeachment.

And my heart goes out to all his good supporters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
15. He had to since he was coming under fire in his district and has
a challenger to his seat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. Several challengers
on the Dem side, Cleveland City Councilman (and Sam Miller waterboy) Joe Cimperman, suburban mayor Tom O'Grady, and a dozen others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. he's going to be McKinneyed.
just watch and see the foam mouthed dogs come after him now in full force for him Daring to speak openly about the pus that has infected american politics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. I think he'll win where McKinney lost.
He didn't have an incident with the capitol hill police. That, whatever actually happened, fairly or not, end up reflecting negatively on McKinney. Dennis doesn't have anything like that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. yet.
somewhere in the back rooms another fake incident like the Hill police is most likely brewing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. All our congress members are surely smart enough
to have learned from McKinney how to avoid stuff like that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #44
64. He has the full support of his County party chair
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:34 PM by OzarkDem
the Ohio Dem Congressional caucus, the Dem governor and Lt Governor, you name it.

Also, as much as he is marginalized in the presidential race, at the local level, he runs an excellent campaign. He's legendary for his campaign organization, which he has used to campaign for every Dem presidential candidate. His group is amazing.

Barkin' Larkin at the local Plain Dealer has been hounding Dennis for years and hasn't hurt him yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #64
75. That's one thing people forget about DK
He won election to the state senate in 1994, a year the Republicans annihilated the Dems nationwide.

He won election to Congress in 1996 against a tough GOP incumbent.

He's continually won re-election with support in the 70th percentile.

Dennis is a tough campaigner and knows how to win elections. This one may be a bit tougher, but I have a feeling he'll do alright.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. good info! thank you! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #75
102. All true
I helped him in 1994 and 1996. I remember getting a phone call from him one night when I was sitting in bed reading. He was asking me to volunteer, he used to recruit a lot of volunteers by calling them personally. I went down to his headquarters in this old building that used to be a Chippendales or something and he sat me down and gave me a little speech asking me to help. I told him, no problem, he didn't have to make a big appeal. They had all these precinct maps tacked on the wall, command central.

His field campaign team is so good, all the Dem presidential candidates go to them first thing to run their west side campaigns. They run an excellent shop.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
73. Not just one challenger, but four
He's got some fences to mend. I hope he can hold on to his seat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
16. This makes me sad
Thank you, Dennis :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Original message
19. I just want to say I appreciate everything Dennis has done and continues to do for our country.
He represents the best of democratic and progressive ideals.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Same here. I have a lot of respect for him. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #19
56. Ditto
:patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Original message
21. Dennis has bigger fish to fry and *cough* impeach.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Original message
23. No, we need him to keep his seat in Congress
He can accomplish a lot more there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. I agree. I was cheering during his impeachment effort that got tabled.
He was magnificent, and I am glad he will remain in the arena where he is best suited, where he has proven his ability over many terms.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #23
106. Definitely he's a fighter alright.
I have much respect for Dennis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
26. .
Wish it could have been him. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. I'm sorry. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Original message
30. He still has $350,000 cash on hand. Can he use that for his Congressional campaign?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM by Occam Bandage
If the Republicans are mounting a challenge, this might be for the best.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. I think so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Well, if he's being challenged for his seat, this is good news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
34. Sorry to hear that...I'm surprised too
Kucinich supporters, I feel your pain. Dennis added a lot to the conversation, as long as he was allowed to debate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
35. If that is a fact my vote is going to John Edwards, reluctantly, my support of Dennis
remains unchanged-if this report is a fact
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
39. The Plain Dealer is a known Kucinich hating paper
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM by Kucinich4America
Has anybody seen any CREDIBLE confirmation of this elsewhere?

And the fact that it was posted in LBN by a 24 post hater (probable Freep) certainly doesn't convince me)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. video and audio of Dennis himself . . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. There's no question after seeing that. I'll support him in any way I can in his
future endeavors.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #46
58. Yeah, you're right.
Shit.... :(

Well then..... bring on CHIMPEACHMENT!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
41. He's panicking about his Congressional seat, and justifiably so.
He's got four challengers, one of them credible, with serious name recognition, SERIOUS downtown (read: corporate) money, and a good reputation in City Council. The fact that this credible challenger, one Joe Cimperman, is a vapidly ambitious centrist careerist with no substantive policy ideas is moot, he *could* quite possibly trounce Dennis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #41
66. Tom O'Grady is the spoiler
Tom will split the anti-Dennis vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Is O'Grady a secret Dennis ally, or is he likely to drop out
if necessary to allow the anti-dennis vote to coalesce?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #67
98. I'm not sure
I haven't talked to Tom in years. He's a nice guy, but sometimes too bipartisan, which is never a healthy thing in this area.

There's a group of George Wallace Democrats in Dennis district. Those are the ones to watch out for, including county prosecutor Bill Mason's machine. I'm not sure who Mason is backing,Cimperman or O'Grady, but he would be the one to watch out for. Dennis can handle Bill, though.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. If he stays in, yeah, he'll peel off some Joe votes.
I think of the four running he's the most likely to drop out if DK is back in it full-time, though. Palmer's in it to win, and Ferris is tenacious as hell. (I like Ferris, actually, it would be neat to see her in office, just not DK's office ;))

In a perverse way, I'm loving that regional politics in Northern Ohio gets to be in GDP today. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:08 PM
Response to Original message
43. Big thanks to Dennis for standing up for the issues
Sad to see him leave the presidential campaign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. Same here
I wish he and his supporters the best in the future.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
51. In a way, this is a GREAT THING
Because now we can focus on not actually GETTING a single-payer, universal health care system, but a half-assed, corporate-friendly big-money sinkhole for more of our tax dollars (and you thought Medicare Part D was a boondoggle?)

Because now we can focus on not ENDING THIS DAMNED WAR IN IRAQ, but prolonging it by continuing to support funding. Because even if we ARE the leading cause of unrest in the country, "we broke it, so we fix it", right?

And better yet, we don't have to worry about scrapping so-called "free trade" agreements like NAFTA. We'll just alter them around the edges a bit. Because exporting a few of our jobs overseas so we can get cheap crap produced by slave labor is kind of a good thing, right?

So, instead of actually doing a complete 180° with our foreign and domestic policy, we can do a 30°! That's ALMOST a 180°! And maybe if we only do that, the Republicans will be nice to us and help us out, too!

Now, we can focus on the tiny, miniscule, hair-splitting differences in the platforms of the frontrunners, instead of asking-- no, DEMANDING-- what we REALLY want from our next president: health care for EVERYONE, an end to exploitive "free trade" agreements with dictatorships, an end to the military madness that has gripped this country for decades, an end to poverty with REAL jobs (not more McJobs, we have plenty of them), and a return to human dignity for those among us who are less fortunate.

No. Instead we'll just get more of the same, but a little kinder and gentler.

Yay mediocrity!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
53. Watch to see who is the last woman or man standing n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:19 PM
Response to Original message
55. I'm terribly sorry to hear this.
I have a lot of respect and admiration for Dennis Kucinich.

He is a big man in many ways, and he's doing more for us than most of his fellow Dems in Congress.

In a better world, this would have never happened.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
60. Was it because Bill Clinton was a meanie to him?
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:32 PM
Response to Original message
63. Though I can understand why DK's dropping out, this makes me very sad
I've been supporting DK in his various fights for the American people and the US Constitution as well as his race for Prez, while also somewhat supporting Edwards as a second choice. I can only hope that all DK supporters see the wisdom of now supporting Edwards, since JE seems the closest to DKs position on issues, and passion for real change in DC...but I know each will answer the call of their own conscience, as it should be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
Response to Original message
70. Oh, well. I'll just have to work on my penmanship. K-U-C-I-N
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #70
90. You're not the only one
I've already voted for him in early primary voting and am considering writing in his name in November.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
Response to Original message
72. Dennis never did fit in.
He is too honest. Corporate media hates that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
74. AP report
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #74
89. "Kucinich said he will not endorse another Democrat in the primary."
That's rough for Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. That is smart of him. He's good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
76. he's facing a pretty serious challenge for his House seat
this time around.

That could be why he dropped out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:58 PM
Response to Original message
77. Thank you Dennis for all that you brought to the Dem race for Prez.
:(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:58 PM
Response to Original message
78. Dennis has not dropped out.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:01 PM by lamprey
His ideals will never +drop out: that the consitution is not a collection of words, that human rights are not a luxury, that the those in high office must be held fully accountability, that war is obscene, that universal public health care is moral imperative. The fight for this and more begins today, as it does every day.

I am so sorry. I know Kucinich's message can not be silenced.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:06 PM
Response to Original message
85. :(
too sad...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:12 PM
Response to Original message
88. I'm OK with it
He was never going to get the nomination anyway, and it was vitally
important that he be there to make his point(s), which he did admirably.

It is equally important that his voice continue to be heard in the House.
Let it continue to be heard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. There is a better than even chance he will loose his House seat
by losing his district's Democratic Primary in March. He faces tough competition from local Democrats who think he has spent too much time running for President instead of taking care of his district (which is in rough shape). This more than anything is probably why he dropped out of the Presidential race.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 PM
Response to Original message
93. Sorry Kooch fans
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:31 PM by Yuugal
I started out with Kooch as my number one, then switched to Edwards when Dennis couldn't poll well anywhere. I think it will be a long time before this country is ready for the real thing. If Edwards drops out its going to be hard to choose between the bible-thumper, the corporate cheese, or just staying home and sending a message to the Pelosi wing of the party.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. What message? "I don't care?"
Even a corporate whore Dem is better than a corporate whore Repug. Think Supreme Court, think racism, think deficit, think war, think theocracy. Even Hillary if preferable to any Republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Wrong
Just today the dems and reps are cutting a deal to give out money for "stimulus" and who doesn't get any? Poor kids! They just get to pay the 100+ billion off with their taxes when they get older but they don't get a fucking dime right now while they are hungry. I'm trying to feed 3 adults and 2 kids on my disability check and these motherfuckers think the wives of orange county need the help more?

Fuck this country and fuck the dem party. Taxation without representation is what we have here. Not one fucking dime for the poor! Hooray for dems. Please cut the bullshit about how great corpoarate dems are when compared to corporate reps. They are all evil fucking scumbags and I hope they have fun trying to pilot their fucking camels through the eye of that needle when they do the only good thing rich people ever do: fucking die!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. I'm pretty much with you, but I still think Bush is worse by a country mile
than any Dem candidate. Seriously, you don't think Bush was worse than Clinton?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #99
107. Seriously, yes.
Bush doesn't know I exist. Bill told me he would help my family because he grew up in a little town named hope and then went on to totally screw poor people with his slavefare reforms and NAFTA. I'm not sure there is much difference beyond that.

They both love corporate profits and war.
They are both rich.
They both will say anything to get elected and then do whatever their corporatist friends tell them to.

Here is the wealth distribution when Clinton left office. Pardon me if I'm not impressed and think he just shined us on as much as Pelosi and Reid have.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Again,
you're not telling me anything I don't know about Clinton. Elections in this fucked up country are about damage control. Clinton didn't suspend Habeas Corpus. Clinton didn't torture. Clinton didn't appoint fascist judges or nullify laws with signing statements. Clinton was better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. Vote for me because I don't suck as much
is the political choice I've always been given since my first vote in 84. Its Edwards or bust this time and if its not going to be Edwards, then I give up on America. The stimulus package I'd like is 5 one-way plane tickets on Air France, Aer Lingus, or British Airways. I still have some possessions I was able to buy during better times and if I sold everything I own I might have enough money so they would let me in.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. That's your choice.
I've been thinking of leaving for years, actually. I just think that not voting isn't much of a protest. Most people in this country don't vote, and it doesn't seem to be working.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. Taxation without representation?
If you are indeed supporting 5 people on a disability check, you are not paying any taxes, more than likely, you are eligible for an earned income credit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. my kids will be paying this debt off
We don't get the earned income credit. Thats for wage earners. Secondly, it will be my kids who will be paying this debt off. All that is happening here is the usual BS of people with money giving to themselves. If the intent is to help people hardest hit by this terrible economy then the money would go to the poor. Instead its going to go to companies so they can build cheaper plants overseas and to people who already have money.

Between the taxes I pay on energy, property taxes that get passed on to me in the form of rent increases, and NY's 8.5% tax on almost everything.......I'd bet I pay a bigger % of my money on taxes each year than most rich people do. When you don't have much money, any tax is a killer. When they are handing out checks for 300 bux to some "lucky" middle class people and ignoring the guys under the bridges, don't expect me to celebrate.

My message to Dems in office: if you think us poor voters are going to forget that you sold us down the river yet again, you are wrong. I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves a dem can go for a plan that bails out corporations and people who own houses, and leaves the poor and the homeless out in the cold. The first thing to get thrown out the door was food stamps. Thanks Nancy. I'd go and protest in front of your house but you would have me arrested for vagrancy, like you wanted to do to those code-pinkers.

Someone please tell me why this is my party anymore. Could they possibly care any less about people like me?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #104
109. I am not sure I understand.
If you are living off a disability check then the "terrible economy' has little effect on you. In fact a terrible economy is better for you as prices tend to stabilize or decline rather than rise, as they do in a good economy. Your gasoline tax goes to repair the roads and bridges in New York (and falls far short of the money needed). property taxes pay for your community's schools, fire, ambulance and police service. The 8.5% sales tax in New York is partially redistributed back to your community to pay for welfare, food stamps and job training and the rest goes to the State of New York for state-wide development projects including the State University and College system.

The proposed rebate is not going to companies - that's just false. Nor is it going to "rich" people, as there is a cap. The funds are targeted at middle and lower class wage earners and single (mother) heads of households qualifying for earned income credit. Just because you are not getting a piece of the pie doesn't mean that the money is not going to people that are in true need of it.

Middle class people are not "lucky". They are hard working honest people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. I am not sure you understand either, but thats ok.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 11:57 PM by Yuugal
I'm going to try to explain.

"If you are living off a disability check then the "terrible economy' has little effect on you."

How can you say that? My disability money is maybe 140 bux more than it was 7 yrs ago. I think they bumped it up 2% this year.

Oil for heating was 1.19 a gallon in 2000. Now its over 3 bucks.
Food prices have doubled since 2000.
Electricity, cable, phone, these haven't gone up as fast but still far out pace any increase I'll ever see.
Property taxes are through the roof. Whether you are owning or renting, you pay lots of property tax.
A real killer for the poor: Fees. Car inspection, registration, car ins, heck, just going to a state park is 6 bux. Just for the privilege of visiting a place our tax dollars paid for.

I don't have time to explain all the ways the poor get gouged with regressive taxes and fees, but add in all the predatory lending to desperate people and it should be obvious who suffers the most in this country when things go bad.

"In fact a terrible economy is better for you as prices tend to stabilize or decline rather than rise, as they do in a good economy."

This economy has sucked since Bush got into office. The proof is in the pudding since prices rose, not fell. The reason I'm supporting so many people is because my GF and my ex-wife, who had to move in with us when both her and her bf lost their jobs, CANT GET A JOB. He is a good egg and although we made him as welcome as we could in our home he just couldn't take the dismal economy in NY and wanted to return to Tenn. If he can find me some "good bottom land" in a low tax area we all might move there if the Europe thing doesn't pan out.

"Your gasoline tax goes to repair the roads and bridges in New York (and falls far short of the money needed). property taxes pay for your community's schools, fire, ambulance and police service."

The highway fund has been robbed over and over again over the years. Gimme a break, NY roads are for shit and gas taxes are regressive. Property taxes are regressive also and hurt the poor. All spending should come from a general fund paid into by people who have the means to, through our income tax code.

"The 8.5% sales tax in New York is partially redistributed back to your community to pay for welfare, food stamps and job training and the rest goes to the State of New York for state-wide development projects including the State University and College system."

Ah yes, the welfare, food stamps, and job training none of us qualify for. We are much too rich for that kind of luxury. It was ironic watching the govt lady sucking on the govt tit for 80k a year from her plush office telling my wife she was only eligible for 21 dollars a month in food stamps. If we count her 80k salary and the benes and retirement she probably costs us about 150k a year. The local food bank could feed a lot of people in my town with that money. My kids wont even be able to afford to goto the SUNY college here. I'm sure they will let my kids sweep the floors for minimum wage though.

"The proposed rebate is not going to companies - that's just false."

I've been hearing all day on the news that some of the incentive was going to help companies modernize plants. (which will be outside the US of course) Is that not accurate?

"Just because you are not getting a piece of the pie doesn't mean that the money is not going to people that are in true need of it."

Thanks for that. More trickle down. The pie my family needs is jobs jobs jobs. Not a damn handout. This govt is pretty stupid if it thinks a 300 dollar check will turn things around as they continue to ship every last job overseas.

The only difference between you and me is I was disabled in a job accident. I submit that should that fate befall you, you will soon realize just how much of the safety net is non-existent and how little anyone still doing ok gives a crap. Thats why we get "stimulus" for everyone but the poor. The poor want jobs, not bread and circuses.






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
95.  Serious Bummer.
I'm very sorry but can't really blame him......


Had to be hard on Dennis to be continually shut out, have so many vying for his Congressional seat and then to have the loss of his brother on top of all that. Has to be a really rough time. So glad he has his wife.....


Thanks for all you have done Dennis. You are for sure one of the good ones!!!!

Peace,bro.
DR
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
103. He quit because he is in danger of losing his House seat if he doesn't go back to work at home
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #103
114. You mean that the voters back home weren't thrilled that he was running for President?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:12 PM
Response to Original message
110. DAM!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 04:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC