Well, it's pretty much undeniable: there's a coordinated smear campaign going on here at DU.

[TheWraith]

The number of people posting the same smears over and over, the closeness of the talking points, the continuous crying victim and blaming the other side for what you yourself are doing, and last but not least the absolute viciousness and unwillingness to allow anything approaching a civilized conversation to occur... everything seems to point to the idea that a certain group of people here have taken it on themselves to do everything they can to smear our other candidates--both, though one much more so--attack and enrage supporters, and generally try to make this place over into some kind of freeperish echo chamber for their candidate.

Personally, I'm getting kind of peeved. I understand that the admins of DU don't want to seem like they're taking sides in a primary battle, but these people are literally doing nothing but posting flamebait and personal attacks, very contrary to the rules. I have to wonder how many people are contemplating leaving DU to get away from the mudslinging, as I am.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: no supporters of any other candidate are nearly as vicious, as defamatory, and as obnoxious as the ones coming out of the Clinton campaign, and I think it reflects on the level of dirty trickery coming out of the campaign itself. Nobody in 2004 got this nasty either, not even the most obnoxious of the Dean supporters.

No matter how much you believe in your candidate, it's wrong to be using these Republican-style dirty tricks and attacks. It just is. If it were Republicans saying these things everyone here would be ready to string them up.

[KennedyGuy]

1. I agree. the Anti-Hillary crowd has reached fever pitch

[HeraldSquare212]

2. Turning people off is their campaign objective. nt

[rodeodance]

3. "a coordinated smear campaign" ha ha ha. You gotta be kidding? right?

[maddiejoan]

6. Oh --forgot to tell ya.

Hillary wants us to use "he he he" instead of "ha ha ha". She thinks it sounds even snarkier.

[boston bean]

9. ooh, i didn't get that message, must start now, I am a hillbot.

[rodeodance]

10. oh-ok---lets get coordinated on this one.

[maddiejoan]

14. My bad.

It was my job to send out the "he he he" memo --but I got bogged down looking for videos of Obama looking flustered.

[NMMNG]

24. Thanks--I hadn't received that memo

He he he.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. The anti-Clinton people have called me names and told me to shut the fuck up

I've never done the same.

[msongs]

5. what? you dont like being called gestapo by the obama people? tsk tsk nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. eh I don't care

[Kucinich4America]

23. I don't suppose your flamebait threads or "ex-gay" avatar would have anything to do with that?

No of course not.......

[NMMNG]

27. I've lost count of how many times they've told me to "get over it",

"get over myself" and so on. Apparently my needs and desires don't count, and only theirs do. Whatever.

[JackORoses]

29. yet you continue to post disinformative post after post

We ask you to speak honestly.

Yet you never do.

[boston bean]

7. you are joking right? please, get over yourself.

The other sides could say the same things.

It's the primary season, grow some thicker skin.

Unless it's racist or sexist, it's fair game.

[Kittycat]

8. 3 of the top 4 People above have just proven that point exactly. Good post.

I've noted in the past weeks a handful of 6 or 7 posters doing exactly as you say. Even when facts are glaring, they continue to spout lies and rhetoric.

[rodeodance]

13. yeah--but sorry, we just did not quite get our coordination right. we will try harder.

[Kittycat]

15. I have no doubt.

[calmblueocean]

11. I've been thinking about a DU vacation, too -- the hate is too much, and I want to stay positive

I want to be the best advocate I can be, no matter who wins, and the vicious attacks coming from some pro-Hillary DUers here are so divisive and vile that it is making it hard for me to imagine ever being in her corner. And i don't want that, because I know what's at stake.

[ClericJohnPreston]

12. One word:

P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A

Seems to have afflicted, with particularity, only one group of supporters.

[rodeodance]

21. yeah--I have lots of posts saying how deperate the Obama people are getting.

[EFerrari]

17. The Clinton campaign is outdoing everyone else in dirty.

I hope they're proud of themselves.

It's not just you, at all.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. It's not coordination...it's a character flaw

Some of the flamebaiters you refer to are utterly unable to say anything positive about their own candidate.

They post vicious smears every twenty minutes. They're douchebags, but it's their right.

[MichiganVote]

19. bad karma people. I've read lousy things from both camps. No saints here, sorry.

[Missy M]

20. At first I thought you were going to be neutral....

but it is obvious you have not read the threads with the nasty, vicious attacks against Hillary. Maybe you should read some of them if you want to see vicious. I guess from your perspective only the Obama side is allowed to be vicious.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. It's a vast bullshit conspiracy.

Easy to spot, though.

[2rth2pwr]

25. If it's too much for you, try the Lounge.

[Sparkly]

I was with you until your third paragraph.

I think if you took that out, all would agree. (I hope so, anyway.) It's all a matter of perspective when it comes to "who's worst" -- and I'd dare say every group think it's some other group.

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. The repubs will wait until we have our 'nominee'. Think it's nasty in here now?

Just wait until the day AFTER the GE. Good times!

[BenDavid]

28. I tell you what, you show me where I personally have been

vicious, been defamatory, and obnoxious.....It just might be that us hrc supporters are telling you obma folks the damn truth about this man and you cannot see it but we do and the country is finally realizing it too and getting hisself caught telling lies about single payer and lying about reagan and the tapes say different.

It’s starting to look like a pattern. Obama says something deliberately provocative, then complains about being misrepresented or double-teamed. In basketball, to continue a metaphor Obama would certainly recognize, it’s called “working the refs.” Players do it when they’re losing.

[Flabbergasted]

37. Actually alot of your posts are "vicious, defamatory, and obnoxious"

Here's one great example.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[AlCzervik]

30. "coordinated smear campaign" oh yeah, like we're all that organized.

[Barack_America]

31. I'm going to back you up on this.....shit....INCOMING!!

[Barack_America]

32. self-delete. dupe.

[OKNancy]

33. you are blinded by you own views...

you are the one smearing. Your post is a group attack.

[Crunchy Frog]

34. People have said the exact same thing about Obama and Edwards supporters.

I don't think any of it's fair. There are obnoxious posters in every camp, and I don't think you can say that any one is worse than the others.

This post of yours does seem kind of inflammatory though.

And yes, 2004 did get nasty, to the point of mass tombstonings, which I haven't seen happen yet this time around.

[Whisp]

35. Shameless.

I am not very impressed with the more obnoxious hornblowers from that camp at all. can't figure how that kind of dialogue is to change anyones mind - in fact I'm sure it does the exact opposite.

I wasn't a big Hillary for pres fan by any means, but would definitely never support her if this is the kind of crowd and guttural mental gymnastics she attracts.

Of course, not everyone is like that, just to be clear, - lots of nice clinton people here, but the ones who seem to have a certain agenda to stir up the shit pot and just make shit up from thin air or defend the crap that Hillary has endorsed and supported over the years that are much more republican than democratic is like falling down a rabbit hole or something.)

To think I once admired that couple - now I see them as icky and deceitful and just f***ing full of themselves and their self percieved entitlements. They disgust me now - never as much as the *, but a too close for comfort second.

[Bitwit1234]

36. Hillary people making attacks are you on DU or some other blog

THAT AINT' WHAT I AM READING.

[The Magistrate]

38. Locking

Group attack against forum members