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[THUNDER HANDS]

With a kissin' and a huggin' and a lovin' and a dreamin'....

[THUNDER HANDS]

1. Question - Is Subprime mortgage crisis a racial issue?

[Skittles]

5. ?

I did hear it disproportionately hit women; it would not surprise me if minorities were targeted too

[MercutioATC]

94. No, it's not a racial issue per se....

...however, since non-whites statistically have lower incomes, they make up a larger percentage of subprime loans.

[SaveAmerica]

183. Yes, it is, blacks and latinos were targetted, blacks more... check out

www.naca.com One aspect was that AA's were given higher finance charges than white people who had worse credit, just one part of it. So much more involved in it though.

[TwilightZone]

2. John Edwards: "Barack and I" - several times.

I think he might be providing a glimpse into the delegate future.

[Windy]

7. If edwards drops, his votes will go to Obama, at least for the most part.

[Kahuna]

Yeah. Look how his Barack and I business worked in NH. I don't think

it's by mistake. Divide and conquer.

[OzarkDem]

9. Barack as his VP?

Maybe. Any other scenario would be ludicrous.

[TwilightZone]

More likely, that his delegates would go to Obama should he drop out.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

Hmmmm!!!! I wouldn't object to Obama/Edwards.... nt

[Sparkly]

3. I'm askeeered

[Colobo]

6. Yeah... it's a very... brutal debate.

[Sparkly]

29. I don't like conflict!!

Seriously... This makes me nervous!!

[Yael]

16. This is VERY animated tonight!

[I work for workers]

4. Thoughts:

Clinton and Obama just can't get along.

Edwards father worked in a mill? I didn't know that. I wonder what else I don't know about the candidates, like what was Giuliani was doing on 9/11?

[K Gardner]

ROFL !!

[annabanana]

17. you "work for workers"? even mill workers?

[I work for workers]

34. No. They joined Change to Win.

I work for the AFL-CIO.

[VolcanoJen]

8. Can you feel the love tonight??

Wal-Mart, Rezco. I'm basking in the warmth of the candidates!!!

[oviedodem]

15. Another mis-characterization by Clinton

Obama bought land from Rezko; not represented him.

[rug]

10. .

[MoonRiver]

11. NOW you have my attention!

[proud patriot]

12. Sorry I was late to the party

[debbierlus]

13. Edwards is looking GREAT

Given that many people are just STARTING to pay attention, they may well take a second, third, fourth, fifth look at Edwards.

Beauty.

[OzarkDem]

21. He's the adult in the debate

and in the race. He's connecting with the audience.

[bdamomma]

50. yea, don't cast aside John yet, he is in to stay.

just imagine if we have to keep hearing this squabbling between Barack and Hillary, at least John brings everyone back to reason.

[VolcanoJen]

56. Couldn't agree more.

He came into this in a great position, as a "third wheel," but the way he's using it is quite brilliant.

[MichiganVote]

135. Tis' true. Edwards can call out either candidate when needed.

[More Than A Feeling]

Edwards got to the heart of the matter, while Clinton and Obama

are left to wonk it out, or repeat Edwards

[K Gardner]

20. Well, he's been hangin around for a moment just like this. He knew it would come.

[sniffa]

14. Will the claws continue to come out?

[ruggerson]

18. Edwards has already won the debate

both Hillary and Barack look confrontational and mean spirited

[Beausoir]

25. Agreed. Good for Edwards. Let's hope he finally gets some traction.

[HughMoran]

32. too bad that's not relevant

it just wont help him

[OzarkDem]

38. Both are instinctively divisive people

I don't want someone like that in the WH.

[robbedvoter]

19. Where are you watching this?

[tekisui]

26. I am listening to CNN TV on the CNN.com site.

The video stream wouldn't play for me, I'm only audio.

[Yael]

CNN

[Yael]

37. Obama -- respond to Clinton's charge that you worked for a crooked slumlord

[iris5426]

59. and this is soooo whats wrong with msm nt

[globalvillage]

27. cnn

[hwmnbn]

36. right here...

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

[Renew Deal]

58. In the bathroom

[Yael]

22. Barack uming and awing, Hillary YELLING. Damn.

[Mist]

23. The back and forth sniping has really loosened them up, plus the audience

is getting them going. The candidates are far less stilted than at the beginning.

[K Gardner]

33. Hell, they're coming down off that adrenalin rush. Can you imagine what that felt like?

[fishwax]

24. Things seem to have settled down a little bit

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. Obama didn't win Iowa on anger... this isn't his strong suit

[More Than A Feeling]

30. Says a lot about DU that our critiques of the candidates

are the ones that the candidates themselves are using.

[Yael]

Eh? How so?

[More Than A Feeling]

52. Means we're really are about as informed as you can get.

[TwilightZone]

48. Hmm, you noticed that too?

[robbedvoter]

62. yeah - they're all listening to us

[Colobo]

31. Obama is going for broke...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

40. very true - needs knock-out. he knows he can't go the distance (calendar-wise)

[polichick]

35. Ooooh, the slum lord thing! Yikes! nt

[Renew Deal]

42. This is a brawl!

[polichick]

51. I wouldn't be surprised if they started slugging it out! lol nt

[onehandle]

39. Obama is explaining and changing the subject a lot tonight.

Interesting.

[tishaLA]

41. Obama, did you work for slum lord?

[tishaLA]

45. Obama, do you still beat your wife?

[midlife_mo_Jo]

57. Edwards would have to have a heart attack and die for me to support one of

the other two.

I'M STICKING!

[annabanana]

43. Wolfie dredging the gutter. . (too much info getting on TV)

[NJSecularist]

44. Hillary is a brilliant politician

If not dirty. She just went from the defensive to the offensive from that one Rezko remark.

[Mist]

46. Sounds like HRC made a mountain out of a molehill re: Obama "working

for a slumlord."

[zulchzulu]

47. Barack bringing up Hillary's Bankruptcy Bill vote

I hope she doesn't cry...

[Yael]

49. Clinton -- I was not wrong. I have never been wrong. Obama was wrong.

[Ikonoklast]

53. Obama sidestepped Rezko

Non-answer.

[onehandle]

54. 30%!!! WTF? nt

[Politicub]

64. I didn't know that either

I guess Obama didn't think 30 percent was enough for the poor, poor lenders.

[OzarkDem]

90. Stop hogging Edwards' time

Obama and Clinton look awful tonight, Obama especially bad.

[Yael]

55. SHit -- WOlf Blitzer is trying to cut her off again. Damage control??

[onehandle]

65. Wolf's attitude towards Hillary has been really snide. nt

[Kahuna]

60. Obama came across like a beaten man in Nevada last week.

Tonight he's on fire. Not gonna take it no more.

[Kahuna]

Hillary at her wits end just making crap up and getting booed. nt

[Kahuna]

101. Hillary throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. Obama not

having any of it.

[zulchzulu]

61. OMFG! Hillary "apologized" for something! Mark your calendars.

[VolcanoJen]

133. **snort**

[VolcanoJen]

**snort**

[Yael]

Wolf is in major damage control mode on Clinton. Hes protecting his WH spokesman job. LOL!!!

[OneGrassRoot]

63. We also need to remember that a lot of the TV viewers of this debate...

don't understand the "squabbles" as we do.

Doesn't help Clinton or Obama thus far, though I am liking Obama's anger. They all should be angry to a certain degree.

I certainly am.

[More Than A Feeling]

70. Hell, I'm having trouble following it.

[OneGrassRoot]

113. LOL! n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

66. edwards lashes out

[hulklogan]

67. Hillary's incredulous smile is going to be stuck in my brain for days.

[BuyingThyme]

Pile on the guy in the middle.

[joshcryer]

68. Holy fuck! Edwards, hahaha. "The limit was too high Obama? There's no limit at all now."

[Politicub]

76. John's timing tonight is spot on

[Yael]

69. We have no consistency when we vote -- Obama

[Armstead]

71. OoOOOO Hillary hits below the belt

Very difficult to get a straight answer from you Obama

[polichick]

72. "You never take responsibility for any vote." nt

[K Gardner]

73. Hillary gets what she deserves: Booing.

[bdamomma]

Hillary is after Obama's a$$.

she is like a pit bull, come on there are more important issues to be discussed.

They are having a slugfest. Hillary is being rude. Unbelieveable there is another candidate there.

[Yael]

74. Big boos! Hillary == SENATOR Obama on the no responsibility "Present" votes

[Sparkly]

75. Man, she is going after him.

This is really freaking me out!!

[zulchzulu]

77. Hillary and John are exposed for voting for the Bankruptcy Bill!

[Mist]

78. HRC booed--"you never take responsibility for your votes" (to Obama) nt

[bluedog]

truth must hurt huh Obama?

[onehandle]

79. Obama never takes responsibility for votes.

Interesting.

[dorkulon]

80. Wow, Hillary's going for the jugular.

Best debate format yet.

[Inspired]

Do you really think so?

I think it makes our candidates look bad. Especially the front runners.

[dorkulon]

130. I guess so, but it's definitely more exciting.

I like the pressure of it. These people are outside of their comfort zones.

[Inspired]

Hillary should just stop this.

It is going to fuel the fire.

[tekisui]

86. SHe is looking very bad.

[Yael]

81. Obama voted present on keeping sex shops away from schools with BS explanation

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

82. she threw that IRW softball for a reason (responsibility for votes)

[annabanana]

ooooo personal attack.... bad move Hil.. C'mon Edwards... bring it back

[tishaLA]

83. Sen CLinton gets the boo birds

[polichick]

84. I'm glad she brought up voting "present"

[More Than A Feeling]

85. Obama: can someone ask Edwards a question so I can escape getting

grilled on my present votes?

[Yael]

87. Hillary -- We can't get any straight answers out of you, SENATOR Obama

[iris5426]

88. "I feel bad" ?! WTF

edit - ok that was the heat of the moment, nice that he actually pointed it out...wolf is the one that should feel bad

[Politicub]

Obama voted 130 times "present"

I'm glad this is coming out

[zulchzulu]

128. 130 votes present is 3.25% of total vote

[zulchzulu]

Hillary bringing up the "Present" vote. Look for the smackdown from Barack

She is one ugly person.

[polichick]

106. What reality are you living in???

He shouldn't be voting present ~ that's not what he's paid for.

[grantcart]

89. Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility

about votes when will she take it for IRAQ

[BuyingThyme]

91. Okay, I give. This isn't the issues debate. It's the cage match.

I can work with that.

[LittleClarkie]

103. Two people enter. One person leaves.

Welcome to the Thunderdome debate.

[BuyingThyme]

125. TWO are goin' down!

[TwilightZone]

92. Obama voted present on his own bill?

[robbedvoter]

110. Not taking any risks this one

[tekisui]

Hillary---save it for the pukes. You aren't doing yourself any favors.

[BuyingThyme]

114. I disagree. And I like her the least.

[annabanana]

93. LET EDWARDS SPEAK

[onehandle]

109. No shit. Quiet the bullies. nt

[Tektonik]

95. I think Hillary is going to fucking kill Obama by the end of this debate

[Konza]

107. Is she losing her mind?

[HughMoran]

108. haha!

[Yael]

111. no shit!

[HughMoran]

120. That WOULD simplify things quite a bit :D

[VolcanoJen]

149. I think he's trying to pull her off her game, make her feel cornered

It's the same way John Kerry rattled Smirky McChimpster in the first presidential debate in 2004.

Ironically, the legend is that Bill Clinton himself advised Kerry that Bush is shrill when knocked off his perch.

[onehandle]

96. So Obama voted for it before he voted against it?

Interesting.

[tishaLA]

97. Her posture! Standing there all snide looking

with a smirk on her face. jaysus

[Yael]

112. It is a complete turnoff, IMO.

[Kahuna]

122. She's just being her real self. Obama's challenge is to show her for

the disengenuous so and so that she is.

[ellisonz]

98. I will not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.

I could have held my nose before this, but she's just nasty.

[Mist]

99. Obama says HRC "combs over his 4000 votes in IL and tries to find one

that looks quetionable."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

100. she knew she would be booed. this is strategic (i dont know how effective, but its planned)

[Yael]

115. She wanted the shit out there -- she knows the media will spin it for her. SC is a non issue to her

[durrrty libby]

157. Really? I don't get the strategy but she's gutsy as hell

[grantcart]

102. Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility

about past votes can you say IRAQ

[grantcart]

Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility

about past votes can you say IRAQ

[Yael]

104. I love how they went from "hillary, Barack, john" to "Senator X".

[bdamomma]

105. come on, end it, there is another candidate on the stage.

this is not the Obama/Hillary debate. Sickening. All this talk from Obama, let's get with it.

[goldcanyonaz]

116. Go, Johnny Go! Present? Woohoo!!

[polichick]

117. Obama's explanation about voting present is flat-out LAME.

[stray cat]

182. I thought it made sense - its almost the same as a no vote

I would vote for it except there is a fatal flaw so the vote is present.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

118. edwards the trial lawyer shows up

[polichick]

124. Yep - there he is in action. Interesting! nt

[michaz]

129. And he looks much better than the other two!!

[Inspired]

132. And he is a damned good one.

If I need help, this is the man I want representing me.

[Mist]

119. Edwards asks about Obama's many "present" votes. nt

[OzarkDem]

121. Geez are they ever going to let Edwards talk?

JE is really giving Obama a hard time.

[Yael]

123. Edwards on Obama -- you're a hypocrite on the Present votes.

[DemCam]

139. He said that?

[jannyk]

126. John is ripping him a new one - yeah Hold his feet to the

fucking fire!!!

[K Gardner]

127. This debate = Perfect Example of why Senator can't be elected President

[Yael]

134. A specific one or any one?

[Renew Deal]

164. Sounds like any one

[Inspired]

142. I think you are right. It's difficult as we know.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

131. That was amazing, tactically, how edwards cut off barack from citing an accomplishment

[More Than A Feeling]

He got some good stuff in there anyway

Heck, he did a good job just staying on his feet during that barrage. He still got rocked.

[polichick]

Seems like he just had enough of the bullshit...

Surprising, since he's been pretty nice to Barack.

[vanboggie]

141. OT: Great sig line, K&H

[asdjrocky]

146. He's very good.

[bagimin]

136. Whitey's are gangin up

[OzarkDem]

137. Health care reform, yes!

[zulchzulu]

138. Apparently Hillary and Edwards are too stupid to understand how Illinois legislation works

Either they are stupid or they are full of shit...

[polichick]

147. Actually, you're buying a ridiculous spin job. nt

[zulchzulu]

162. So you don't understand how the "present" vote works in the Illinois legislature either?

Many times, voting present for a bill is due to trying to amend a bill that usually has a posion pill within it. Does a senator vote for a bill concerning educational funding when someone puts in an amendment making abortion illegal? Um...no! They vote "present" and take the cancer out of the bill and THEN pass it.

Get it?

[polichick]

172. They were talking about his present votes in the US Senate...

He spun it back to IL ~ LAME!

[Yael]

140. HRC -- thankfully HIV/AIDs is a chronic disease now. WTF!???

[Sparkly]

143. As opposed to a short, terminal one. nt

[Yael]

148. Thanks -- I figured I missed the point.

[K Gardner]

150. She's just tone deaf. She said in last debate that TBI was a "new phenomenon".

[bdamomma]

144. don't you wish someone would ask them if anyone will hold

this present administration accountable for their crimes.

[polichick]

152. I would love to hear their answers to that! nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

153. thought you were gonna say "hold their coat" (like in a duel)

[iris5426]

154. if only anyone had the balls.... nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

145. might need to keep these threads shorter... slow loading

[More Than A Feeling]

151. Why did Obama glance at Edwards before saying what the real issue was?

[DemCam]

158. lookin for hints?

[iris5426]

159. i was wondering that as well....

[bdamomma]

155. just suggesting a thread 4 now.

[FreeState]

156. Hillary is kicking ass... n/t

[creeksneakers2]

160. Obama seems a little shaken

Not falling apart. He's staying on message. But he looks like he took a good punch.

[FreeState]

161. Thats because he did, several times n/t

[K Gardner]

163. Excellent healthcare explanation by Barack. Important policy difference.

[FreeState]

165. To bad it doesnt cover everyone in this country n/t

[OzarkDem]

166. Put a sock in it, Obama

He's rambling.

[FreeState]

167. He is losing the debate this time... to bad I wanted it to be closer n/t

[Yael]

169. That seems to be his debate style.

[zulchzulu]

170. I'm sorry it was over your head

[zulchzulu]

168. Will Hillary finally tell us how she will force healthcare insurance down our throats?

Prolly not...

[Yael]

171. Not a peep about the core of her plan -- PRIVATE insurers. Call her on it, John!

[OzarkDem]

173. Edwards should point out his plan makes insurance compete

w/ public plans.

[Yael]

174. HRC calling Obama on flipflopping on Health Care

[zulchzulu]

179. Obama didn't flip flop. Hillary just lied again

[grantcart]

175. hard to score this three way game

its like having 3 teams on a baseball diamond

[Yael]

176. Obama -- HRC and Massachusettes (Romney) same thing. Ouch.

[polichick]

180. That was a low blow! nt

[OzarkDem]

177. Obama's plan doesn't have real cost controls

that's what makes it affordable.

[zulchzulu]

178. Hillary still doesn't tell us how she will force mandated healthcare

She also thinks healthcare insurance companies and the pharma industry will operate on "good faith".

[eppur_se_muova]

181. THREAD #4

didn't get posted to this thread ...


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