MCCLURKIN REDUX: Kirbyjon Caldwell, Pastor who will campaign for Obama, leads "EX-GAY" MINISTRY

[Maven]

I cannot believe this is happening AGAIN.

Kirbyjon Caldwell, former "spiritual adviser" to George W. Bush, will campaign for Barack Obama.

From the Houston Chronicle:

The Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, longtime spiritual adviser to President George W. Bush and senior pastor of Windsor Village United Methodist Church, plans to campaign on behalf of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Caldwell said Saturday that he's endorsing Obama's presidential campaign because of the senator's "character, confidence and courage."

...

The pastor, however, said he has informed his congregation of his presidential choice and that Obama may even pay a visit to his church.
"I have been in contact with the Obama campaign team," he said. "I will be making visits on his behalf."

Caldwell, who gave the benediction at both of President Bush's inaugurations, said he personally called the president to tell him of his decision. Bush, he said, was "OK" with it. His presidential choice will not affect their relationship, Caldwell said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/546970...

In fact, Caldwell has already been on the campaign trail for Obama. His name was overlooked at the time, but a little digging reveals that Caldwell was also part of Obama's S.C. gospel tour featuring "ex-gay" bigot Donnie McClurkin:

At the event, McClurkin said more about himself than the man who the concert was supposed to help, Obama. But the singer said the candidate "is standing for change" and "a man not afraid to bring different opinions to the stage."

In fact, for all the criticism on the left for President Bush mixing faith with politics, some of the speakers essentially described voting for Obama as akin to a religious cause.

"He's more than a conqueror through Jesus Christ," said Kirbyjon Caldwell, a Houston pastor who was on the tour and is backing on Obama.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/29/pos...

Here's the kicker: CALDWELL IS THE SENIOR PASTOR OF METANOIA MINISTRIES, AN OUTFIT WHOSE WEBSITE ADVERTISES "A PROGRAM CREATED TO PROVIDE CHRIST CENTERED INSTRUCTION FOR THOSE SEEKING FREEDOM FROM HOMOSEXUALITY, LESBIANISM, PROSTITUTION, SEX ADDICTION AND OTHER HABITUAL SINS."

METANOIA is apparently an offshoot of United Methodist Church.

Here is a link to METANOIA's website:

http://www.kingdombuilders.com/templates/cuskingdombuil...


This is actually WORSE than McClurkin. This man actually RUNS an organization that ministers to youth to "cure" them of their sexual orientation. These organizations result in severe psychological trauma and death to GLBT youth not to mention an environment that encourages violence and discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender people. Obama supporters: tell your candidate that it is UNACCEPTABLE to have this man campaign for Obama again, no matter how much he "disagrees" with his message. This is the last straw, and if Obama allows this man to appear on his behalf I will do EVERYTHING in my power, including campaign for his opponents, to work against his candidacy.

[NMDemDist2]

1. K&N, for a 'uniter' he sure attracts some divisive folks to his camp n/t

[FrenchieCat]

19. Did Obama call the fella, or did the fella volunteer his services?

I don't see the invitation.

Kinda of like Karl Rove saying that he endorses Hillary Clinton and will be inviting her to his home maybe.

[Maven]

27. He has ALREADY been on the trail for the Obama campaign, during the SC tour

and has been in contact with their campaign to appear for Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

50. So in other words, this is old news rehashed?

I'd better ask Santorum, the Newt and Inhoffe to "contact" the good Senator from New York then....since they pray with her. I'm sure that they are all for civil rights of Gay folks, right?

what may startle people, including her supporters, is that the group she has associated herself with since 1993 which sponsors these groups as well as the National Prayer Breakfast is very conservative and exclusive. Known now as the Fellowship, it is a group that reporter Sharlet knows very well given his past investigative pieces in Harper's Magazine several years ago, and a Rolling Stone piece about Sam Brownback in 2006. Digby has written about this group as well. Even though Mother Jones will not post the piece online until Tuesday, I have been given permission to post segments of the piece in the extended entry. I encourage all of you to buy the current issue and read the piece for yourselves, because Hillary’s association with the Fellowship may lead some to question her judgment and true beliefs, given what the group stands for. http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/010937.php

Hotline-- Sept 2006

Hillary Clinton: The Faith Angle

Hillary Clinton’s hiring of “faith guru” Burns Strider as an adviser to her presumptive presidential campaign, reported two days ago in the Hotline, draws some rare attention to Clinton’s religiosity, as yet unexamined in the same way that ’08 heavyweights like Mitt Romney and, through his high-profile meeting with Pastor Rick Warren, Barack Obama have been.

In Clinton’s case, there’s plenty to examine: religion seems to be the only part of her life that hasn’t undergone rigorous scrutiny.

Though Strider, as a onetime staff member for Nancy Pelosi, is squarely in the liberal camp, Clinton is part of not one, but two, prayers groups with distinctly conservative bents: an exclusive Senate prayer group that meets on Wednesday mornings, and a women’s prayer group that she’s been a part of since her early White House days. The women’s group is run by Holly Leachman, a layperson at the McLean Bible Church in Virginia, itself magnet for prominent conservatives, including former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, Republican senators John Thune and James Inhofe, as well as several Bush staffers and their families.

Leach's prayer group includes many prominent Republican wives, among them Susan Baker, wife of Iraq Study Group co-chairman James Baker, who along with Leachman ministered to Hillary Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. (Leachman, mentioned briefly in Clinton’s memoir, Living History, is the wife of Washington Redskins chaplain Jerry Leachman).

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

September 01 , 2007

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."
<>These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

Clinton has championed federal funding of faith-based social services, which she embraced years before George W. Bush did; Marci Hamilton, author of God vs. the Gavel, says that the Clintons' approach to faith-based initiatives "set the stage for Bush." Clinton has also long supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a measure that has become a purity test for any candidate wishing to avoid war with the Christian right.
http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url...
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Most of the prayer groups are informally affiliated with a secretive Christian organization called the Fellowship, established in the 1930s by a Methodist evangelist named Abraham Vereide, whose great hope was to preach the word of Jesus to political and business leaders throughout the world. Vereide believed that the best way to change the powerful was through discreet personal ministry, and over his lifetime he succeeded to a remarkable degree. The first Senate prayer group met over breakfast in 1943; a decade later one of its members, Senator Frank Carlson, persuaded Dwight Eisenhower to host a Presidential Prayer Breakfast, which has become a tradition.
<>
Hillary Clinton’s proficiency in this innermost sanctum has unnerved some of the capital’s most exalted religious conservatives. “You’re not talking about some tree-hugging, Jesus-is-my-Buddha sort of stuff,” says David Kuo, a former Bush official in the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, who worked with Clinton to promote joint legislation and who, like Brownback, has apologized to her for past misdeeds. “These are powerful evangelicals she’s meeting with.” Like many conservatives, they are caught between warring dictates of their faith: the religious one, which requires them to embrace a fellow Christian, and the political one, more powerful in some, which causes them to instinctively distrust the motives of a Clinton. Everyone in Washington experiences their dilemma at one time or another—the lack of an Archimedean point from which to judge Hillary Clinton.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/green-hillary

[Maven]

61. No, in other words, the CONNECTION between them goes back some time

and Caldwell has already officially campaigned for Obama. And will do so even more formally, according to the article.

Nice try at misdirection.

[Duncan Grant]

91. Two wrongs don't make a right. Obama is no friend to LGBT people.

I've been more than disappointed with all the "frontrunners" when it comes to my issues. I've avoided the primary dust-ups around here because I was going to be a good little fag and support the eventual nominee but this -- this -- is beyond my capacity to accept. And no attempt to deflect this by saying "Hillary does it, too" makes it acceptable.

Honestly, the lack of empathy by some Obama supporters is outrageous.

[Kucinich4America]

104. I guess Edwards or Kucinich better get past the media blackout somehow then.

Because I can't vote for Obama if he willingly associates with these deluded self hating idiots. And I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

[Divine Discontent]

110. you sound like a bush fanatic

who constantly angles every issue even when it's horribly wrong to make it sound like it's no big deal....


"meh! the guy works to brainwash gay youth and actively is on Obama's campaign trail and is a bigwig minister who is heavily connected to the Bush's, meh! big deal!"


PUH-LEASE!

The game is over - Obama, unless he rejects this - is DONE FOR.

Clinton will be my, and many people's #2, and I will be informing my parents that if they don't back Clinton or Edwards, or don't vote, I will not be speaking to them for some time - because of how HORRIBLE these groups are that do this to young people - it is TORTURE - and there's nothing "Christian" about it.

Go ahead, say some twisted crap saying how great Obama is... blah blah blah...

What a false leader he's turning out to be - thankfully it's happening now so I know what type of "Christian" he is showing himself to be. I'm not impressed.

[ClericJohnPreston]

176. The usual Frenchie NON-SEQUITUR

Are you ever relevant or sensible? Didn't think so.

[Sapphocrat]

184. You really hate gay people, don't you? n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

292. I guess the fact that it has already happened makes it ok.

Good to know Obama supporters are loyal to a fault.

There's supporting your candidate, and then there is foolishness.

[cboy4]

325. Oh Frenchie. You try so hard. n/t

[Binka]

327. Jesus You Don't Have That Person On Ignore Yet?

Trying hard is not what she does best. There is a word for her ilk.....FUCKWITTAGE.

[Name removed]

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[ooglymoogly]

307. but they are only on board till the national

[MADem]

2. Who the hell is advising this guy? Is this shit THAT deliberate? NT

[oasis]

42. Obama must pander to the S.C. Gay haters or he'll lose there too.

very sad indeed.

[MADem]

82. There can't POSSIBLY be that many "one issue" types that he'd HAVE to do this, surely? nt

[Marie26]

89. The scary part is,

I don't think he's pandering.

[ooglymoogly]

308. Lingering odors of the Republicans for Lieberman

and just look how swell that worked out

[AndyA]

3. I can hardly wait to hear what the Gobamas are going to come up with to justify this!

[Horse with no Name]

163. No worries

I'm sure they'll have it covered.

[Fresh_Start]

4. The speech today doesnt make "all better?"

Obama is lecturing a congregation not to be homophobic.

[maddiejoan]

7. No he didn't

He said "gays should be embraced".

Many in the "ex-gay" movement also use this phrase. Love the sinner, but hate the sin.

Nothing in Obama's speech today contradicted that.

It's all code words to people of this movement.

[sufrommich]

10. Love the sinner...hate the sin

Right Wing movers and shakers have been using that line to justify their pompous,hateful prejudices for a long time.

[Fresh_Start]

11. I didn't know that code word

but I was being sarcastic anyway.

My issue is Obama spends a great deal of time telling us whats wrong with other people, Boomers, Diseased Democrats, and anti-gay, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant congregations...

Somehow he distances himself from being a boomer, diseased democrat and sharing the values of the congregation

[peacock]

265. But he loves Reagan

[readmoreoften]

13. You got it, Maddie. /nt

[terrya]

18. That's exactly right.

That language is also official Catholic Church policies on homosexuality..."love the sinner, hate the sin". You can be gay or lesbian...just don't act on any same-sex attractions. In other words, live a life of loneliness and permanent sacrifice...and you are seen as "all right" in the eyes of the Church.

[Jamastiene]

78. Bingo.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Obama is the homophobe's candidate of choice. He sure gets endorsed by enough of them.

[GlendaleMan2007]

231. hi

[Jamastiene]

242. Lost? Directions: Click the picture that looks like what you see in your mirror to go back home.

[jonnyblitz]

21. exactly.nt

[redqueen]

255. Good catch.

Sickening, sickening stuff...

[jlake]

23. Liar.

[chascarrillo]

Liar.

Shall we dance?

[GlendaleMan2007]

232. Hillary hates gay people. nt

[LostinVA]

257. Scat -- shoo

[readmoreoften]

5. We're being scammed. It's pretty clear what this guy is... /nt

[sufrommich]

6. yeesh, as the Obama fans would say...

is this a pattern?

[maddiejoan]

22. Obama likes Omar on "The Wire"

http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2008/01/barack-o...

"Omar is a great guy," the senator tells the Las Vegas Sun. "That’s not an endorsement. He’s not my favorite person, but he’s a fascinating character."

Much more context if you listen to the accompanying audio interview. "He's this black, gay gangster who only robs drug dealers, and then gives back," Obama exlains in the audio interview. "He's the toughest, baddest guy on this show, but he's gay, you know. And it's really interesting."

He's Gay --but not all limp wristed and stuff!

[sufrommich]

39. Translation:

He's gay,but he doesn't "act" gay,he's really cool!

[KennedyGuy]

8. Yep..a disturbing pattern developing here...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. "What is the Gay Identity and how do we break free from its grip?"

BEGINNINGS: Hope & Healing for Families & Friends of a Gay Loved One
This one-day seminar focuses on topics impacting families and friends of a gay loved one. Whether you have known for years or just found out, this seminar would be beneficial to you. Session topics include Kayaking on the River Denial, Be Angry and Sin Not - Yeah Right!, My Depression is Making Me Depressed and others. Attendees will experience a fuller understanding of their role in the midst of a loved one's choices.

God's Intent for Sexuality
Why is homosexuality a sin? What's wrong with co-habitation? Is masturbation a sin? What is God's plan and design for sexual expression? The answer to these questions and more are addressed in this presentation. Great for adults and youth.

Homosexuality:
How Should the Church Respond?
This one-day seminar provides an overview of homosexuality including Ministry to the Homosexual Struggler, Ministry to Families and Friends of Gay Loved Ones, Starting a Ministry and other topics. We will look at five responses to homosexuality found in the Church today. Emphasis is given on the church's redemptive response.

Overcoming the Gay Identity
Healing happens! But how does it happen? What is involved in the healing process? What is the Gay Identity and how do we break free from its grip?

What Do You Say to Someone Who Is Gay?
Our society is so PC - Politically Correct. Yet is there a way to talk to gay people that is honoring to them and God? Yes! We can be CC or Christ Correct without dishonoring those who are gay.

http://www.metanoiaonline.org/speakersbureau.htm#three

[terrya]

12. I don't know what to say..

Wait, I do...Obama is blantantly writing off the GLBT vote. It's clear he doesn't even slightly care about our vote. Period.

I thought the McClurkin thing might have been one incident...one "mistake". But this is a pattern...it shows a blatant disregard for GLBT Democrats.

Well, I said and still say that I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. But, goddammit, as a gay Democrat, this is disgusting.

[bliss_eternal]

246. It's disgusting to this democrat, too.

You're a better person than I.
I honestly can't say that I will vote for him regardless. I'm sorry, I just can't.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

14. Some pukey backers O's got there

[jefferson_dem]

70. Yeah. All the candidates have some cretin-like supporters

n/t

[TankLV]

160. OK - we now KNOW you're PATHETIC.

instead of DENOUNCING this horrible turn of events, YOU continue to TRY to spin it - AGAIN!

The gloves are off and WE will be on you obamabot homophobes like WHITE ON RICE...

FUCK YOU ALL!!!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

15. ay carumba! "Identifying people at risk. "

There is never just one factor that causes a person to identify themselves as homosexual. Each person has a unique story and we must not stereotype! However, there are many common indicators that can serve as helpful tools in areas such as:

• Identifying people at risk.
• Ministering to those struggling with homosexuality; and
• Educating and changing perceptions of those who are not strugglers.

. . .

The need for a son to bond with the father never goes away. The male involved in homosexuality is often unknowingly trying to satisfy that need. A male lover can't provide it and therefore long term, monogamous relationships are rare. This is why a critical part of coming out of homosexuality is having healthy, male role models. If the father is not there to provide the support, we men who are brothers in Christ need to be! But we have to overcome our old stereotypes of homosexuality and false macho images.

Women coming out of homosexuality need to know there are "safe" men. They need healthy Christian father figures and friends. Families who befriend those struggling with homosexuality can provide a much-needed environment that reinforces the Christian family model.

I believe many marriages broken by homosexuality as well as children growing up thinking they are gay, could be saved if more churches were providing proper teaching in this area. I wish I had such training when Derek was young so I could have seen the warning signs. Maybe I would have been able to help him build his self confidence more and encouraged him more in the areas he excelled, instead of trying to make him fit my mold. I am now convinced we fathers need to find our sons' areas of interest and get interested ourselves, regardless of how uninteresting it may be to us at first.


http://www.metanoiaonline.org/fatherfigures.htm

[Bluebear]

167. GD discussion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[AlbertCat]

284. Daddy didn't love me!

"The need for a son to bond with the father never goes away. The male involved in homosexuality is often unknowingly trying to satisfy that need. A male lover can't provide it and therefore long term, monogamous relationships are rare. This is why a critical part of coming out of homosexuality is having healthy, male role models. If the father is not there to provide the support, we men who are brothers in Christ need to be! But we have to overcome our old stereotypes of homosexuality and false macho images."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That old outdated BS!

It is clear now that children are affected by their out-of-home environment more than their home life. Peers have more sway than parents. This is obvious (for just one example) when you see that children of people who immigrate take on the accent of their new country's inhabitance, rather than the accent of their parents, when they speak. (Accents are established very early when 1st learning to speak)

It is therefore most likely that a father retreats from the son who is not up to his "standards" and the mother steps in to fill that void, rather than that lack of a big daddy somehow "making" the son gay. The gay thing comes 1st. The parents react, not the children.

Besides there are clear statistical, numerical indicators that some large component of homosexuality is genetic.

No one needs this 1950's male role model crap anymore, and anyone who believes this bunk should be dismissed.

[Der Blaue Engel]

16. We just need to get over it

Every time it happens.

[jlake]

17. Okay you damned Obama defenders.... have at it

I am seething with rage. and it is NOT "faux outrage from a Hillbot"

[terrya]

24. We'll be told to "get over it".

Otherwise, it will be met with complete indifference. Homophobia isn't such a big deal with some people around here.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

26. I am just wondering what you think of

Hillary's defense of Bill signing the DOMA... hmmm... What about don't ask don't tell? Hmm?

It's like the pot calling the kettle black here sometimes.

[jlake]

29. STREEEETCH for a comparison.

Hillary is not perfect. Obama is a Pandering Homophobe with NO Core Values. (In other words a REPUBLICAN)

[terrya]

32. To use Senator Obama's words...

It is "troubling" for the Obama campaign to have these slimy "ex-gay" assholes associated with his campaign. And not to get rid of them.

DOMA is bad. But it is NOT having people on your campaign saying that you are "sick" and need to be "cured". Not even close.

[jlake]

37. Absolutely how I feel.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

41. Obama's not perfect

He didn't ask for this guy's support. The guy is supporting him because he chose to. I bet there's plenty of those people who support Hillary as well and it isn't making the news.

*sigh* I wish we'd just look at the candidate instead of his supporters sometimes.

We will always have some crazies in our party anyway. There's Democrats of all kinds, and even these kinds of cretins but they're in the Democratic Party. It's not a reason to slam Obama though.

[Maven]

43. He has already been on the trail with the Obama campaign in SC

and is in contact with them to campaign further for Obama.

[Bluebear]

44. LOL "He didn't ask for this guy's support" - but he's taking it, isn't he?

Like he did with "ex-gay" Pastor McClurkin?

[peacock]

266. Got it, Obama is a Republican

His mentor was Lieberman.

I´m for JRE by the way.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

30. Don't even start.

Unless you are prepared to star defending neo-nazis and the Klan, don't start playing little equivalency candidate pot-shot games with the gay "healing" movement.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

51. I'm not sure what you are saying

I really do wish we'd just look at the candidate and not his supporters. Has he said he'll embrace the "gay-healing" movement? It's like you saying I embrace the smoking habit because my friends smoke, even though I absolutely abhor smoking. Obama's spoken to the Advocate and he's even got a "Obama Pride" on his website for goodness sake.

There's democrats of all sorts and we can't just disown a candidate because of two bad apples. Please.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

58. Peddle this "two bad apples" crap somewhere else

[Bluebear]

62. LOL Obama gave *15 minutes* to the Advocate. Look it up. He lost my vote.

Obama is a pandering disgrace.

[Bluebear]

34. Not. Even. Close.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

59. How is it not close?

The DOMA basically prevents gays from getting married. I wish I could contribute a question to her sometime. Maybe when she swings by Minnesota or something. I'd like to ask her if she would repeal the DOMA.

What would you think her answer would be?

Honestly.

[Bluebear]

66. I have no idea, she isn't my candidate.

[okasha]

98. She's already said she will work to repeal it.

DOMA had a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress. The alternative, if Bill Clinton had not signed it, was a Constitutional Amendment. Repealing DOMA needs either a solid Dem majority in both Houses and a President who will push to reverse it--and that President sure as hell isn't going to be Barack McClurkin Obama--or a President who will appoint one or two solidly sympathetic SCOTUS justices to bring the thing down because it violates the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. Getting rid of a Constitutional Amendment would be a lot harder, a lot slower, and a lot more complicated.

And the alternative to DADT was maintaining a full-out ban on gays in the military.

[chascarrillo]

47. "Damned Obama defenders"

Alerted.

[jlake]

48. Ooh.... tell DU on me since you support a fucking homophobe.... that'll solve the problem.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

69. He's not a homophobe

He's got Obama Pride on his website for goodness sake. http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

If he was a homophobe... you wouldn't EVEN see that on his website.

I am absolutely disgusted with Hillary's supporters trying to paint Obama something he isn't.

[Maven]

71. No he just panders to homophobes

and uses homophobes who actively seek out GLBT youth for mental reprogramming to win him votes.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

76. Are you trying to turn people off Obama

So they go running to Hillary or something like that?

I didn't know that "Obama Pride" was pandering to homophobes... that's news to me. It looks very strangely like a pro-GLBT website to me.

[Maven]

79. More misdirection tactics from a true believer.

If you support Obama AND GLBT people, TELL OBAMA not to associate any further with this man or his insidious organization.

[readmoreoften]

107. Yeah, and some Black folk vote Republican. Does that mean we shouldn't criticize them over Katrina?

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Lie down with ex-gay pastors and talk sweet on Reagan, get up without my vote.

[jlake]

74. I am not changing my position. I think he is. He does not give a flying fuck about

GLBT rights. He wants to win and is willing to use homophobes and homophobia to do it..... He can put whatever BS he wants on his website.... his website is nothing but a pile of lies and dreams and promises anyway. I will work for ANY Democratic candidate that can beat Obama.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

90. How do you know that Hillary

gives a fuck about GLBT rights? What are her positions considering those rights? Hmm?

Considering her defense of DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell... why do you believe her? She could be making up shit too, she's a politician like Obama, of course.

I wonder what you will do when Obama becomes the nominee? Let me tell you, people do not like Hillary here in the UK. They really hope it's Obama. They want the people of the US vote for change. Hillary does not represent change, even though she could be the first female president. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton for goodness sake!

I'm guessing that after all this maybe Edwards should be the nominee... there's so much shit being flung about from Obama's and Clinton's supporters that it's beginning to stink to high heaven.

I could say the same for her campaign tactics lately in NV. Can't believe you support such dirty politics, ugh.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

80. And Hillary says nice things about everyone on her website, but

if she knowingly had the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan involved in her campaign in South Carolina I would say that she's a racist.

If you think the KKK is an unreasonable analogy for these queer-curing ministries then you have no concept of the issue and might want to do less lecturing.

[lisainmilo]

267. Great analogy....u r exactly right!

I was thinking the same thing.

[Sapphocrat]

172. Ooooooooooooooooooo!

Faux outrage! Faux outrage! Faux outrage!

[JackBeck]

188. It's all about the company you keep.

How is this acceptable for Obama supporters? For months we have been seeking an apology for the McClurkin "mistake" and now THIS?!?!

[TankLV]

164. excactly. WE know who THESE PEOPLE are - and WE will be on them like WHITE ON RICE...

give no quarter, give up not ONE INCH...

EITHER OBAMA AND HIS BOTS REPUDIATE THIS CRETIN IMMEDIATELY AND DON'T TRY TO SPIN IT EVEN ONCE, OR THE GLOVES ARE OFF....

well - we see they've made their decision...

WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT A HOMOPHOBE COME NOVEMBER - NEVER.

NO MORE BUSH!
NO MORE RAY-GUN!
NO MORE PANDERING...!!!!

[Duncan Grant]

73. Thanks for empathizing with LGBT people.

Pity there's no alert function for that around here.

[TankLV]

161. TAKING names - YOU've been pegged...

also ALERTED by US...

sorry - no excuses this time around...

what the FUCK is obama and his bots thinking of!!!!

[Bluebear]

190. You said it, Tank.

[chascarrillo]

248. You compare lists?

Really? Okay.

The post I was replying to was over the line in attacking supporters of another candidate simply because they support that candidate. My post didn't. And now you're attacking me for noting the above. Whatever.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

64. They were raised in a homophobic culture

As we all were in Amerikkka, and the truth is they don't care if homosexuality is ever mainstreamed and people finally get off our backs for our non-crime. How many of them think homosexuality is incongruent the precious fairy-tales they believe in and call their religion? Or whine that there's too many gays on TV, and any public display of homosexuality is shoving it down their throat? How many of them enjoyed making fun of the gay kids in school? How many of them still make fun of gays with their friends? Straights couldn't seem to get enough of Brokeback Mountain jokes, never mind that the story is a tragic tale of homophobia, and one of the saddest movies ever. But just an excuse for endless fag jokes for most straights. Obama is their hero, for stabbing the gay community in the back and getting away with it.

[geek tragedy]

94. Sure it isn't.

I stopped taking outrage from Hillary supporters seriously months ago.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. Why are we knocking this guy. He has an 85-90% success rate!

From the FAQ:
http://www.metanoiaonline.org/faq.htm

What is your success rate?
If you are referring to those who have left homosexuality to pursue sexual wholeness in their lives our BEGINNINGS program participants have an 85% - 90% success rate.

Is Metanoia Ministries just for those affected by homosexuality?
Our ministry is for everyone affected by sexual brokenness; this includes homosexuality, bisexuality, sexual addiction and other types of sexual brokenness among men, women and young adults. We also have programs that support family and friends of those who are suffering with sexual brokenness.

Is Metanoia Ministries affiliated with a particular denomination?
Metanoia Ministries is an inter-denominational ministry. We partner with many denominations and affiliations including: Assemblies of God, Baptist, Catholic, Foursquare, Lutheran, Ministers Fellowship International, Presbyterian and others.

I struggle with homosexuality. What can I do now?
First, know that you are not alone. There are others who have struggled with homosexuality. With the help of Christ and trusted others, they left homosexuality to pursue God's intent for their lives. You need a support group to help you understand why you are struggling this way. We recommend that you first get a copy of the book and CDs, BEGINNINGS: Healing the Wounded Soul (available in our online store). Second, you need a support group of people who will come along side you as you begin this journey. You will not be able to overcome this alone. Join a BEGINNINGS Group near you for support.

"I'm gay." Someone close to me told me they're gay. I don't know what to do.
When families and friends hear these words, the news can be devastating. A lot of emotions go through our minds - anger, denial, fear etc. Yet God is present with us. He heard the words "I'm gay" the same time you did. We recommend that you purchase BEGINNINGS: Hope & Healing for Families and Friends of a Gay Loved One book and CDs (available in our online store). Also, whether your loved one is going to seek help or not, you need support right now. You need others who understand what you are going through and can come along side of you. We invite you to join a BEGINNINGS group in your area.

[Cameron27]

25. Whoa

K&R