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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:03 PM
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I think Hillary will win.
I think Clinton will win the nomination.

I also think McCain will win the nomination. With the economy possibly going into a recession (or already in one), the economy will become a more important issue than the Iraq war, and I think in a time of economic uncertainly, people want to go back to those who have the “experiences’ and “name recognition”, this is possibly why the republicans chose McCain in SC and NH and Hillary is doing really well and certainly has the momentum to win it all.

In Nevada, she won it big, regardless of delegate counts, she won the Hispanic vote 3 to 1 against Obama. I think also with Bill Clinton on her side, the average voters trust them to manage the economy more (remembering the times of the 90s) Obama’s lack of experience on economic issues and military issues , I think , will hurt him. His nice speeches and friendly, exciting charisma won’t save carry him to win the nomination.

Americans want change, but most Americans are obviously not ready to take a gamble on a newbie or someone who talks about real big changes like John Edwards.

This is too bad, IMO.

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I really respect John Edwards, and maybe even if he doesn't win, he will make a differences.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:05 PM
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1. I support Edwards, but I think you're right.
Hillary Clinton looks to be in the drivers seat going into Feb. 5th.

She can lose South Carolina, though she might win it too, and still compete strongly next month!!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:34 PM
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9. If she can tie Obama in SC, it wil be a good night for her.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:08 PM
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2. no doubt about that
it`s all about going back to the 90`s. those wonderful days between 92-2000..those were the days!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:15 PM
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3. I like your posts. You deserve a *
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:19 PM
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4. Just as corporate America wants it.
More of the same, the status quo remains intact.

Congratulations, America. Once again, we've let the powers that be tell us who we should elect. And we wonder why things are so bad.

When are you going to "GET IT," America? :shrug:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:56 PM
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11. Never.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 04:01 PM by HughBeaumont
They haven't "gotten" it since Eisenhower's MIC speech. They thought Nixon would fix those dirty hippies. They thought "America NEEDS a Ronald Reagan to make this country GREAT again and save us from that wimpus Carter and them evil filthy pussy lib'ruls!" (who never gave an INCH to the Ayatollah, unlike Mr. Iran/Contra).

They thought "George Herbert Walker Bush will continue the Reagan Greatness", even after a massive recession decimated the economy. While Bill Clinton did do some good things, like reduced our debt, taxed the rich and balanced our budget, he also signed two very damaging pieces of corporate legislation that ultimately led us to the morass we're in now and likely never to get out of: the 1996 TelCom act and NAFTA (drafted by his friend 41).

They thought "George W will restore dignity and hope to the White House again". They lifted not a single finger even AFTER there was proven electoral fraud. They never left their little comfort zone even after the conservatively stacked Supreme Court's filthy five said to hell with their judicial oaths and selected the Failure Fuhrer. And even after his first term was loaded with zero accomplishments for the middle class and poor, an almost hundred-fold increase in wealthy income advantage and wealth-middle class inequality, two failed invasions, NO capture of Osama and a quagmire in a sovereign nation that we'll never get out of, our idiotic son-of-a-bitch citizenry cowered like assholes and made 2004 close enough . . . to be stolen ONCE again.

America will NEVER get it.

America doesn't care one iota about issues.

America doesn't care about messages.

America cares about superficial bullshit, appearances, looks, machoness, and who will kick some foreigner ass at the drop of a hat like we've been doing for the past goddamned century the MOST! Hate to say it, but that mindset is on BOTH sides of the fence. And at least half of our scared and constantly divided side capitulate with the lame excuse: "I . . . want to believe John Edwards, but I just don't TRUST him!!" Oh, so what's the antidote? Trusting someone who BELIEVED the worst president this nation ever had when lives were on the line . . .not just once but TWICE? AND who also has repeatedly and unapologetically called for increases in h1b and L1 visas, does business with Indian Outsourcing conglomerates, supports NAFTA, voted FOR the odious Peru trade agreement and believes there are "positives to outsourcing"? AND who takes giant amounts of cash from Big Insurance to make no strong stands on Universal Health Care, much less make passing mention of it? Is THAT who you DO trust? Business as Usual?

Fuck me, I guess America does.

While living in their Call of Duty 4 worlds, America doesn't care that their jobs are being shipped overseas and it's not likely that good ones providing good bennies and a living wage will be replacing them.

America only cares about the next war. Americans only care about circuses. America wants a Marlboro Man to run this country. America only cares about being constantly entertained and pacified. America clings to it's ingrained Reaganite belief that liberals are what's wrong with every single thing in this country, and the "liberal media" (even though you cannot name ONE "liberal run corporation" that owns a news station) pollutes the airwaves with it's dirty hippie commie liberal blah blah blah.

America doesn't even realize that part of the agenda of corporations and the wealthy that run them is the near guarantee that we'll never stop battling each other thanks to this division created within mankind BY them. "No, human being on one side of the fence . .. the RICH hire you and give you prosperity - it's those brown turban-wearers and the dirty communist liberals that love them that are you're enemy." "NO, human being on the other side . . . you must find a common GROUND with Right Wing Republicans. Building bridges with them is the way you can ALL work together to make America GREAT again."

It's SUCH bullshit. But I don't think America is ever going to wise the hell up.

I don't think it's an accident that we've only had three Democratic presidents since Kennedy got shot (arguably in the case of two, a moderate and a war-mongering DINO who was about as underhanded as they come). I don't think it's an accident that our primary is going this way. It's a combination of America only liking the sound of the word "change" and it's slavish acceptance of whatever their idiot boxes, fellow e-mailers and colleagues tell them.

But when it comes DOWN to it, America will not trust either of our candidates YET again . . . and we'll lose this election. To the Capitulator Marlboro Man.

When it comes down to it, does America really deserve change?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:28 PM
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5. I agree and I respect your choice of all the candidates that you
choose Edwards.

When you say americans want change, I too agree and Edwards even though he is not polling too well at least he has made known some of the serious problems facing America and Americans. I am under the strong belief that when scripture says one must help the least amongest us, then each person should, but as a whole, America should help the poor and those with disabilities. This to me is how a whole country can be blessed. And this is where HRC will have an advantage over mccain if he is their nominee. The right does not believe in providing those things to its citizens, and it is more like, "fend for yourself, you not getting any help from us republicans).

If the trends stay as they are then "economy" will be the top issue in this election as you so noted. And we all know when the msm brings up "the economy" it is not far from peoples mind, "its the economy, stupid". Again this is where HRC will have an advantage over mccain. PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST was former President Clinton call to arms in 93 and over his 8 years there were great strides in helping the poor, the black and the hispanics.

If you talk about national security then mccain will not have an advantage over HRC. McCain might say he was right on the surge working but then again HRC will hit back with, we tried often in 05, 06, 07 to say we needed more troops in Iraq to achieve what the purpose was in establishing a national government and then leaving and then it be up to the Iraqis to run their country.....

Yes, HRC will have the advantage over mccain, and people are wanting change, and this old tired "straight talk express" only gives the people exactly the same as what bush gave them for 8 years......

Ben David
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:34 PM
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8. I agree.
:hi:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:30 PM
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6. McCain won't win the Nomination
he's losing the vote of the Republican Party -- the two primaries he's won have been because of cross-over Independent voters and not Republican voters; the majority of the contests are now Closed Primaries where only Republicans vote -- and the Party, as a whole, really, really don't like him.

I do think Hillary will get the nod, though, as, counter to McCain, she has overwhelming support from the Democratic Party state-by-state and many of the Feb 5 contests are Closed Primaries where Independents aren't able to vote. Usually that bodes well for Clinton and not so well for Obama who Polls better with Independents than he does Democrats.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:31 PM
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7. certainly the economy will be a big factor.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:37 PM
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10. So, What Republican will be our next President Do you Think?
?
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:21 PM
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12. a democrat will be the next president even if its a
democrat I don't like. I do like Hillary to win it all however.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:48 PM
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13. I Wish I HAd Your Faith.
I really don't.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:10 PM
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14. Clinton may win the nomination then LOSE the big one.....
I feel that there are too many Democrats that believe that the Democratic Party is in such a strong position that winning the election will follow inevitably after snagging the Democratic Party nomination. (Notice I didn't use the phrase "winning the nomination." I wonder if it's really be "won" or just beaten into submission with money, selective media coverage, and other hidden influence.)

I think that's a serious miscalculation, and the last two presidential elections should make us all more focused on getting it right THIS time.

Once the O.J. Simpson verdict came in, I immediately believed that the LA County DA had lost the case in the jury selection loooong before the verdict came down. In my opinion, the 2004 presidential race was on a downward spiral when John Kerry took his dominant position. I fear that the same may be happening in 2008. Hillary Clinton is enormously unpopular in Middle America where I live. If she's the nominee, I'll vote for her, but I know lots and lots of people who'll vote against her. It scares the crap out of me.
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