Interesting how nor even Barack supporters can explain "Change"

[LaloBorges]

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=795&thisview=item

[9119495]

1. I'm nor able to.

[cali]

2. that's it? that's your post?

Here: Obama wants to shift us to a progressive agenda with a popular mandate united behind his platform. That's the change he's consistently advocated: Closing Gitmo. Stopping torture. Ethics Reform. Lobbying Reform. Restoring Habeas Corpus. Expanding Health Care. Ending the war. Changing the way the U.S. relates to the Global community.

See? No problem at all.

[9119495]

5. Yeah, but the umm, union person in Nevada

that was supporting him did something bad so you can't trust him.

This Reagan shit pisses me off. Now we find out Hillary Clinton is a Reagan lover. You know, I used to really like her, but that shit is beyond the pale. How is this any different than Romney tailoring his message to ANY audience he faces? She rips Obama for saying something NOT really complimentary about Reagan and then it comes out that she counts him as one of her favorite presidents.

Time and time again, Clinton supporters here tend to sight Obama supporters inappropriate behavior on this board for reasons not to suppport him. Yet it is Clinton's personal actions that seem to turn me and other Obama supporters off. Which should be more persuasive.

[rodeodance]

13. She admired his communication skills--and you diss her for this??

[9119495]

16. He spreads lies and misinformation and makes people

think we need to spend all that money on defense and we're supposed to admire that? Really? Just what did she like about his skills?

[rodeodance]

8. those are all issues--and shades of grey between Obama and Clinton--what is the big Vision/Change?

[dkf]

3. Change...as in get things done for once.

Make things different. Accomplish goals. Something other than Nothing Done Yet Again.


Health Care
Get out of Iraq
Remove the cap on SS taxes
Fiscal Stimulus
Create a sentiment that we are one people, regenerate pride in our country.

[Vickers]

4. Somebody recommended this???

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

12. and a big REC from me.

[rodeodance]

6. Obama wants to be the Transformative candidate--like Reagan was--who

had a Vision of what he wanted. But, Obama has not been good at laying out this vision of change.

[Faygo Kid]

7. Is this a Seinfeld post?

This post is a joke, right?

[noiretextatique]

9. none of the ones i've spoken too can define this "change" either

instead they get huffy when i ask them what they mean.
some here have spun his gushing praise of reagan to mean that he can usher in a progressive change the way reagan ushered in a disastrous rightward shift. this i seriously doubt, but seems to be what all the hope and change rhetoric is about.

[Triana]

10. hard to explain something that doesn't exist...why bother?

[rodeodance]

11. yes, these respondents are all over the board-no articulation of the Big Change-to -come as

promised by Obama.

PARTICIPANT 4: And change is something that's going to happen regardless of who the president is. But I think the person who can actually deliver on change is going to be somebody who has the qualities like Barack Obama.

JAY: What does change mean to you? In terms of fundamental change, do you think that's coming? Or are you okay with incremental change?

PARTICIPANT 4: Well, you're going to have to define fundamental change for me.

JAY: Well, for example, in terms of foreign policy, some of the other candidates have suggested as much as closing down foreign bases and changing the whole approach to foreign policy. But we haven't heard that from Obama.

PARTICIPANT 4: I think fundamental change is going to be something we'll see in some areas. It's not going to be across the board, no matter what issue you're talking about. There's going to be incremental change as well in some places. But I think that regardless of the issue there's going to be a collective voice that's speaking about what's going to happen in these different arenas. And I think that's what Barack will bring to—will fill a void in our current democracy.

[flyarm]

14. because Obama is an empty suit..he steals his whole line from Edwards..and has since the get go!! eo

[FrenchieCat]

17. What Edwards "for change we can believe in " ealier than Obama was?

Point to that motto....cause it is all over Edwards' speech today.

So what line did Obama "steal"?

[creeksneakers2]

15. The interviewees sound like they are following symbols

and don't have specific changes they'd like to see.

[Tactical Progressive]

18. Like everything about Obama - it's just words

In this case the most common word in the history of political campaigning: "change". It's funny to watch him and his supporters think they thought up the word and practically own it. It's absurd, and I'd bet that since Hillary started campaigning before Obama, I'm sure she used the word "change" in speeches long before Obama ever did. But you'd have to be a complete idiot to ever consider 'change' her word or anybody else's. You'd need to either drink alot of drugged Kool-Aide for that, or be an absolute political child to think so. Enter Obama supporters.


You read the article and see these kid's opinions of 'change' and it's like: change from just Dem & Pubs, change from Bushes and Clintons, change by improving the economy and getting out of Iraq. IOW, nothing anyone else, even Mike Huckabee, isn't offering.

And these starry-eyed comments:

"He's international. He's inter-racial. He is inter-party. I mean, he represents everything that is America and that is the world, and that's what we need right now."

"we (need to) have people working together to solve our nation's problem, because I believe that there is a fierce urgency of now, and I really do believe that we need to in these next four years really re-correct the direction that we're going in.

Unreal. I'm sure Justin Timberlake fans would be more coherent about why he would be a 'candidate for change' than Obama fans.


In case anyone is interested, I've watched Obama long and close enough to know exactly what he means by "change": He means "Me" and nothing more.