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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:33 AM
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A little information and background on HRC's *racist* hero, Barry Goldwater.
Are you feeling hypocritical YET? :shrug:

It is Time to Demythologize Goldwater by Telling the Truth, Goldwater was a Racist

http://www.hispanic.cc/it_is_time_to_demythologize_gold...

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger. By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like States' Rights," Lee Atwater.

Many States' Rights Democrats were attracted to the 1964 presidential campaign of Goldwater who was notably more conservative than previous Republican nominees, such as Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Goldwater's principle opponent in the primary election, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, was widely seen as representing the more moderate and pro-Civil Rights Northern wing of the party. Rockefeller's defeat in the primary is seen as one turning point towards a more conservative Republican party and the beginning of a long decline for moderate and especially liberal Republicans. Goldwater's primary victory is also seen as a shift of the center of Republican power to the West and South.

In the 1964 presidential race, Barry Goldwater ran a very conservative campaign, primarily with an emphasis on "States' Rights." As a conservative, Goldwater broadly opposed strong action by the federal government. Goldwater favored the Rights of the states. Namely because a defeat of Civil Rights could not be won on a national level leaving the only alternative winning in a few individual states where anti Black sentiments prevailed. States' Rights was thus born as a label and movement to defeat giving Civil Rights to Blacks.

Goldwater oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964. His stance based on his view of States' Rights has been interpreted as an appeal to racist white Southern Democrats, and undoubtedly attracted a few conservative anti Civil Rights bases.

The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr

JULY 16 1964 King asserts that nomination of Senator Barry Goldwater by Republicans will aid racists


The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.

It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented.

The celebration of final enactment of the civil rights bill curdled and soured. Rejoicing was replaced by a deep and frightening concern that the counter-forces to Negro liberation could flagrantly nominate for the highest office in the land one who openly clasped the racist hand of Strom Thurmond. A cold fear touched the hearts of twenty million Negroes. They had only begun to come out of the dark land of Egypt where so many of their brothers were still in bondage-still denied elementary dignity. The forces to bar the freedom road, to drive us back to Egypt, seemed so formidable, so high in authority, and so determined.

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Civil rights equates to The Peoples' Ongoing Struggle ... and I suggest it has been essentially stalled. :(

Newflash: It's not HRC or Bill Clinton's DLC who will "serve" anything more than their own best interest and that of their surrogates and operatives. Sure they'll try a little "race baiting" and talk kindly to homosexuals, but have they done ANYTHING TRULY PROFOUND for peoples of color ... well other than pitting them against each other for political expediency.

Obama, due to his own personal struggle, will CARE and ACT on behalf of us "little people" who have been disenfranchised for far too long by the powerful *insiders* of the D.C. Beltway Political Elites. All these entrenched "status quo" politicos are frightened and will resort to ANY DIRTY trick to keep preferably "the RNC's" but will accept "the DNC's" darling in THEIR Executive Branch. :scared:

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:37 AM
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1. Please oh please can we stop?
I support Sen Obama. This has gone on too long for all of us. Hillary is not a racist, and her association with Goldwater says nothing at all about her or her policies now. Obama is not a republicon. Edwards is not a charlatan.

This is just too much.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:38 AM
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2. Nothing about Senator Clinton's record since 1964 is worth posting about?
I don't care for her at all, but if this is the hottest criticism going, it'll be hard to stop her nomination.

Back to work!

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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:39 AM
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3. Barry Goldwater isn't too relevant.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:40 AM by lvx35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Why Hillary left the republicans:

Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>


You can blame her for bad judgement back in the day, but you have to bear in mind this is literally about the time Obama was writing those kindergarten papers. She volunteered for Goldwater when Obama was 3 years old.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:52 AM
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5. Oh gee, now that the blow back hits, it's back to "insignificant" or it was "in her youth."
Hey, I completely agree. However, if "some" wish to get down in the mud and petty, I can go there too and I can spin a very compelling yarn ... well not as upscale and stylish as some, but still DAMNING ENOUGH.

Morphing Obama's basic statement of FACT and using it in a 1984, 5 minutes of hate-fest, is not only dirty politics, it's so small and smarmy, those of us who are on the receiving end are not going to wish to "make nice" when the dust finally settles.

Respect goes both ways. HRC is NOT "The Victim" and she needs to stop with these RNC Atwater-like dirty tricks, i.e., misquoting Obama and sending surrogates out to disrespect his person. Especially egregious and "race baiting" are when they are African American. Very smarmy. :thumbsdown:

But remember, if you wish to get down in the mud, don't cry "FOUL" with your "perpetual vitim" candidate if we slap ya back. Make no mistake, with regard to Hill and Bill, we have plenty of *basic* material. Doesn't feel so good when "the insane spin" comes your way. Does it? :evilgrin:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:51 AM
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4. Hillary was 17 in 1964, starting her senior year of high school.

What was Barack doing at the beginning of his senior year of high school? Probably something he wouldn't do now.

Some people never get out of high school mentally, others do. HRC apparently did, though I won't vote for her.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:58 AM
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6. You're absolutely right DB, I was spinning like a top.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 03:00 AM by ShortnFiery
However, "misquoting" Obama is EQUALLY as smarmy.

I wish that those who MUST KNOW that they are manufacturing LIES about candidates to keep "a senseless subject" (Reagan's Corpse :eyes: ) alive, THINK about how it feels when someone unfairly SMEARS, then keeps repeating permutations of the lie in multiple threads.

How does it feel when THEY lie and spin?

How is our party going to "come together" if this shameless mud-slinging (all sides) burns up all vestiges of good will?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:45 AM
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18. President of COLLEGE republicans. Intern for Ford as a JUNIOR in college.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 08:47 AM by Essene
This idea it was just a high school girl scout giggle thing is untrue.



Yes, i think this smear is silly but i also don't think Hillary fans quite understand that this isnt just some silly high school stuff. She was obviously very seriously into Republican party stuff through 3/4 of her college career. She only swung to the left in her senior year in college.

That's not.. insignificant.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:06 AM
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7. Edwards is the only life-long Democrat in the bunch.
Obama apparently also had Republican leanings in his youth. He was born in 1961. What in the world does he know about the '60s? During that period he lived several years in Indonesia.

As for the '70s, Obama was in high school. He lived in a middle class family in --- Hawaii, a world away from the Chicago he talks so much about. I read that the grandmother who raised him at that time was a bank vice president. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary. He went to a private school. He rebelled by smoking dope as a teenager with his buddies from private school, and that makes him an expert on the '70s. I don't think so.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:18 AM
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8. Goldwater mellowed a lot in his later years
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 04:21 AM by onager
He went around saying stuff like: "You don't have to be straight to fight for your country. You only have to shoot straight."

And: "If a woman needs an abortion, that's between her and her doctor."

The Repubs claimed he was either getting senile, or under the Evil Influence of a young liberal girlfriend.

Goldwater fired back by reminding them of his good advice from 1980, when he was still in the Senate and the Religious Right was taking over the GOP:

"Somebody needs to show Jerry Falwell to the door. And kick him right in the ass."

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:44 AM
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12. He detested the religious right's takeover of the Republican party
You are absolutely right. He changed A LOT in his later years. His last few years in the Senate, he was considered a swing vote and usually sided with the moderates of both parties.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:28 AM
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9. Was Goldwater A Racist?
To many, Mr. Goldwater was a man of contradictions. He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard. But he also voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, contending that it was unconstitutional, and he backed restrictive amendments to earlier civil rights legislation. Blacks voted overwhelmingly against him in 1964.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may...
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:06 AM
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10. A lot can be said about Goldwater, and in the 60's he was
one of the true Conservatives, with a heavy leaning to Hawk. That is a given. he also had some racist views as well as other traits that are less than desirable in a person that call themselves human.

But as time went by, Goldwater either had an epiphany, or at least a wake up call.When i was down in AZ, i saw an interview w/him just before his death. He had come to several realizations; some people needed a hand up to get off the mat, national defense is one thing, war for war's sake is something else entirely, and the most candid thing I've ever heard on TV, "the Republican's today are not Republicans, they are shitheads." This was a live interview, and there it was, one of the old time conservatives calling his own party "shitheads". It was a moment to remember.

He briefly went on to say these people who called themselves Republicans were nothing more than carpetbaggers who didn't care about fiscal responsibility, and the GOP had been hijacked by "religious nuts". Since this was the beginning of Reagan, Ralph Reed and the rest, I can see where he was coming from.

Goldwater had a lot of faults, to be sure...but if you wanted someone that could/would speak their mind, he was it... :D
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:55 AM
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27. I'd heard that Goldwater and
Jack Kennedy were friends, and a Goldwater documentary last year proved that to be true. Their friendship was actually closer than I'd thought, apparently they really enjoyed each other's company. I think it was broadcast on PBS.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:18 AM
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35. heavy leaning to Hawk
Your right, they said that if I voted for Goldwater in 64, that he would have us in big land war in Asia. They were right, I voted for him and look what happened in Viet Nam.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:58 PM
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39. Most people don't know that the first advisor's were sent in by
Eisenhower. Kennedy inherited the beginning of the SE Asia situation, and might have been ready to pull troops out if he had won re-election. One of the reasons we were there, was because people like Joe McCarthy were spreading all kinds of fear. Once the McCarthy stuff started to die down, the "threat" didn't seem quite so onerous.

But...along came the Cuban Missile Crisis, and we were perched on the threshold of nuclear annihalation...serious stuff. hawks were drooling, Doves were worried to the point of near crapping themselves, and one less than senior aide finally got a word in, and told Kennedy that if he gave Kruschev a way out that saved face, the thing could be averted. Kruschev did not want nuclear war any more than anyone else did, but there had to be an "out" that was amenable to all.

There were lot's of other things as well...but when Johnson was ill advised to play up the Ton-kin Gulf Incident, it was all basically over as far as finding a decent way out of SE Asia. Nixon got elected by promising "Peace w/Honor"...and Ford finally got us out. there were some who felt that if given free reign, we would have been out of there within 6 months, 2 weeks to knock out the North, and the rest of the time to gather up our hardware and leave. Some, Like Curtis LeMay and a few others felt the Chinese would enter the fray, but most people now feel that that scenario was most likely overestimated.

here is the real deal on Communism though, economically, it could never stand on it's own. It was doomed from the very beginning, it was merely a question of whether we would outspend them, while challenging them in the Cold War. Truman knew this, and started the plan to break them down. Eisenhower continued the sentiment and policies, as did every other president...Reagan happened to be sitting in the WH when Gorbachev said..."enough". But what they rarely bring up, is that Kruschev was sending overtures to the US and Britain, trying to open up talks...the Hawks in both nations said no, so the Cold War continued on long after it could have ended. I believe that one of the reasons Kennedy was assassinated was because he might have talked to Kruschev after the '64 election.
Not sure if that was in the cards at the time, but there were some signs he might deal w/the Soviets on a basis that might have taken both countries out of war footing. There were serious Hawks that hated Kennedy, and they knew Johnson was more amenable to a possible "fight"...and he was.

Goldwater came around to thinking he might have been wrong about a lot of things. He was a true conservative, and on some things, like a balanced budget, I could go along with...but he had a lot of baggage with him when it came to some other things. Like everyone else, there are good and bad things we can pick and choose...but in the long run, I'm glad he didn't get to the WH back in '64. There was still a lot of pretty harsh stuff going on back then, and if some people had their way....we might have smoked the planet.

As for Johnson, if he had not gotten us soaked in Vietnam...he very well have been considered a Great president...he did a hell of a lot for the country, but in the old Army adage, "One 'Ah Shit, wipes out 20 'Atta Boys'".
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:17 PM
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41. Actually Truman
The first US Military adivsors in Viet Nam were there to help the French military. We were providing them with armor and aircraft. U.S. military personnel were sent over there in the early 50s to help train the French on our equipment. Numbers were only a couple of hundered, technicians and mechanics mostly. They did not have any piece of the action against the Viet Min.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:08 AM
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11. Wow. This is an especially lame one. The Obama people must really be smelling defeat.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 06:08 AM by Perry Logan
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:32 AM
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13. Kick for the morning crowd.
Especially my bud Perry Logan and DSB.<teasing> ;) :hi:

How does it FEEL to have it done to "your heroine?"

Let me guess?

"Oh so UNFAIR!"

"Wait! Let's make nice now?" (My operatives have finished TRASHING your candidate)

"But but, Goldwater wasn't personally "a racist" merely that his bat shit crazy views encouraged all forms of extremism to flourish." (Barry Baby was not really racist.)

"Although HRC remained conservative and became the President of her Colleges' Republican Party, this was a mere indiscretion of youth."

OK, fair enough but answer me one question:

Don't you find it the least bit INCONGRUOUS, that HRC could truly embrace the *states rights* conservatism (code words to keep blacks down) and *at the very same time* support Civil Rights with her heart and soul?!? :eyes:

Damn, someone better call Wonder Woman because HRC seemingly transcends us mere mortals by holding two very divergent opinions at the very same damn time, i.e., Pro-Civil Rights struggle AND a proud Goldwater Girl. :crazy: Even for a young college woman, such contentions challenge common sense. :shrug:

Although I still love them and I was not (physically) abused as a child, my entire family is bat shit crazy secular right wingers. Well, I exaggerate, my nephew and myself are the only two non-conservatives, much less non-republicans.

I was growing up in the "culture of Goldwater's insanity" up close and personal. I know all the "happy horse sh*t" talk about Barry Goldwater during the 1960s. Goldwater may have not "got religion" but don't rewrite history to claim that this FREAK was anything but a koolaid drinking right wing head case. I am just a little older than Obama, so perhaps I don't fully understand Atwater's (see quote above) charm offensive for the "Great Man." :puke:

What I remember personally about the Goldwater craze of the 60s as a pre-teen was that EVERY PERSON who "adored Goldwater" also "held either over or covert racist stereotypes that were, let's say, UNFLATTERING?!? ... Goldwater groupies also demonstrated an inherent HATRED toward liberals (dubbed "hippie trash") and anything that smattering of encouraging the INCLUSION of many groups who were the conservatives favorite "whipping posts."

"Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice. Moderation in the Pursuit of Justice is No Virtue!" --Goldwater. Yeah Barry, now take your f**king medication! :eyes:


The Goldwater Groupies "Dis" List:

1) ANTI-Liberal (every damn thing);

2) Both obsessed and abhorred "Welfare Queens" and some thought that "assistance" was THE WORST waste of govt funds;

3) Dirty Hippies were going to drive our children MAD with "the devils music" (Rock), drugs and
LIBERAL <shriek> nonsense careers to waste their life with.

4) It's those COMMIE elitist PROFESSORS (and other intellectuals) in social science liberal
colleges who are poisoning our children's minds and turning them against their parents.
our children's minds and will tear our country down.

&

5) States Rights! First and always! <waves stars and bars> We "good ole boys" can segregate, discriminate as horde as many cool guns if da Governor and other old' boys in the State Senates says "it's Ah-right."

6) Neil Young and Elton John are "the devil incarnate." :P

Yes, I have and continue to RESENT Goldwater - hell, I suffered under Goldwater's movement. When I changed my college major from Nursing to Psychology during my sophomore year, my family (I kid you not) literally disowned me for a solid year. In fact, I wonder if some of my kin told outsiders that I was "serving time in jail" rather than admit that I *turned commie* though that damn liberal social science education.

I can only imagine "the person" that HRC was back in the early 1960s. The vast majority of our youth was OPENLY DEFIANT and liberal. The few, IMO, kids who embraced this conservative freak were truly *special* but not in an attractive way. Perhaps some of you would care to think about the foregoing - before the next time you wish to disrespect Obama about his teenage drug use?

No, I don't understand HRC. I'd much rather lie and say that I was in prison THAN be forced to admit something as DISGUSTING as being a proud "Goldwater Girl." :eyes:

It makes me SICK when people try to rewrite history to tone down Goldwater. How about you thoughtfully return to the Quotes from MLK's biography? What a shame that young HRC was so wowed by Barry's movement ... but at the same time was sneaking out of RNC outlet at her college to march with King. Oh brother!?! :eyes:

FUCK BARRY GOLDWATER!!! ;) :smoke: :hippie:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:36 AM
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15. All You Have Established Is That Barry Goldwater Was A Libertarian
If you want to lie about a dead man and call him a racist that's your prerogative...The record indicates otherwise:

To many, Mr. Goldwater was a man of contradictions. He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:47 AM
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21. You blow me away! Barry Goldwater was a FREAK who wished to keep people "in their place"
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 08:57 AM by ShortnFiery
through THE RELIGION of "states rights and conservatism."

People claim that "organized religion" is poison, but I would also submit that *CONSERVATISM* as a religion has MANY of the danger of squashing personal freedom and similar freaky undertones as their religious "snake charming" conservatives.

I can't believe that anyone with such pride to declare oneself a "Democrat Since Birth" could respect anyone as extremist <Helter Skelter!> as Barry Goldwater? ... for that truly is, IMO, DELUSIONAL as well as DESTRUCTIVE thinking ... Goldwater's "special blend" kool-aid conservatism exponentially bred legions of half-wit FREAKS who HATED "all things liberal" as they concurrently *despised* the Civil Rights Movement.

Kindly return to read MLK's take Barry Goldwater? :eyes:

In other words, "wake up and smell the RACISM" that was covertly but, no doubt, CLEARLY NURTURED under Goldwater's Conservatism. :puke:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:59 AM
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30. Hmmm
I'm not a Goldwater (or) Reagan fan, like some here, but the evidence suggests he was not a racist:

To many, Mr. Goldwater was a man of contradictions. He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:17 AM
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34. OMG! What part of "Goldwater's' nut-case form of conservatism *spread and nourished* RACISM ...
can you not understand?!?

Gee, no one takes the blame these days?!?

HELLO, it was Barry's fucking movement that encouraged the "spread of racism" but yet.

But no, just like "victim Hillary" ... it's never (NOT EVER!) their (the people the democratic elitists favor) FAULT.

Lee Atwater is rolling over in his grave taking notes ... deferring to you demonstrated "skills." :thumbsdown:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:35 AM
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14. She was 17 in 1964.
In 1968, she supported Eugene McCarthy.

How far back are we going to go on all of our candidates??
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:41 AM
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16. I Thought Discussing What Candidates Did As You Youths Was Verboten
Or does that only apply to Barack Obama?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:54 AM
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26. Didn't she criticize Obama for something he said in kindergarten? n/t
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:57 AM
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29. I think it was a tongue-in-cheek response to something he said
about not having ambitions to be president all his life?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:44 AM
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37. Yes, and it's HRC's cut-throat "take no prisoners" ambitions that makes her a Great Leader?!?
As "Big Dawg" would quip, "Give me a break." :nuke:

Why is it always cutely feminine when HRC makes these gaffes BUT "blatantly sexist" when Obama makes a wry comment on the aside?!?

Why is it when HRC chokes up for PURELY SELFISH reasons, the DLC and many within th M$M turns it back on "the rest of us" as being *mean* because "the American" EVITA's just tired? :crazy:

Why is it that "the caucus rules" that permit shift-work casino workers to vote at their place of business (unlike teachers who mostly don't work on Saturday) during their break, AGREED TO during March of 2006, ALL OF A SUDDEN *UNFAIR* two days after HRC discovered that she did not glean the coveted Culinary Workers' Union's endorsement?

Now, the NV caucus is unfair ... well lest HRC wins, then it's a landslide for "the comeback kid's wife." :crazy:

Hello?!? Both HRC's surrogates and "intimidated" M$M pseudo-journalists are working together to seemingly spin everything HRC's way.

However, I suggest that despite the BEST EFFORTS of the M$M and Bill Clinton's cronies in the DLC, the American People can see though HRC's mask of both "liberal" (she's not) Elitism and Condescension.

On a FAIR political playing field devoid of "sweet whispers" and incestuous alliances, HRC would not have had the political opportunity to run for President.

HRC may be, in a strict sense, "qualified" but her and Bill's DLC machine will DESTROY our party as well as ensure continued RULE by the "old guard" elitists rotating IN-and-OUT of The Executive Branch, like passing through a turnstile. The American People need not vote because it's all decided by the Political Ruling Classes within both the RNC and/or (when it's your 8 year turn!) the DLC.

Can't you see that "The Clintons" have fractured, not only our party, but they are are also in the process of converting our Democratic Republic into a full blown political plutocracy? ... it's time to stop the bleeding? :shrug:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:43 AM
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17. I'm as angry at Hillary & Bill as anybody... but give this Goldwater stuff a break
It's insincere.

Yea, she glosses over her real republican roots. This wasnt girl-scout stuff but her actually being a conservative ACTIVIST in college. But it's still just a silly smear.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:45 AM
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19. It's not even that. We're talking high school. In '68 she was for McCarthy, in '72, McGovern.
By '74, she was assisting with the Nixon impeachment.

This "Republican roots" stuff is just ridiculous.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:49 AM
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23. (again) President of COLLEGE republicans. Intern for Ford as a JUNIOR in college.
This was not girl scout stuff.

I really do think it's a silly smear, but those trying to defend her all seem to have bought into this lie about her past. She was a diehard... activist... college republican through her junior year in COLLEGE.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:02 AM
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31. Her freshman year -- age 18.
In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<15> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<16><17> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<16> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<18> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<19> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<20> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<21><22> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefellers late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton

I don't even see this stuff about Gerald Ford.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:50 PM
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43. MSNBC: junior year "internship with Rep. Gerald R. Ford and the House Republican Caucus."
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:52 PM by dailykoff
link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372 /

Gee I wonder why the wiki article doesn't mention that? :crazy:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:46 AM
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20. Promoting "Islamofascism" is PURE RED MEAT RACISM
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 08:48 AM by dailykoff
and has exactly the same effect: horrific violence visited on Muslims of all nationalities for no other reason than their race and religion (hint: Abu Ghraib, Gitmo).

A leopard doesn't change its spots.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:47 AM
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22. she denounced the republican party because they did not stand for
what she believed in. Contrast that with 2008 and Obama praising Reagan.

And the lemmings, who apparently cannot think for themselves scramble to find dirt on the other candidate in an attempt to...what...try to make Obama's statement less bizarre? I do not understand you. Just say, "Obama should not have said that" and MOVE ON.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:53 AM
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25. What a bunch of lies.
How ugly you are to the distinguished Senator from NY. She has worked so hard for our citizens.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:55 AM
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28. Oh it's a bunch of lies alright.
I'm not going to get into details but let's just say Hilly has not exactly served the citizens of lower Manhattan.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:07 AM
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32. Yeah, right. I don't believe that for a New York Minute.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:10 AM by ShortnFiery
The only reason HRC "changes her mind", whether it be 1) voting for the IWR, 2) against limiting Cluster (civilian genocide enhancing) Bomb munitions(wet kiss to the MI?); or 3) giving the big "Go Boy!" to bombing the sh*t out of Iran IS SOLELY BASED ON COLD AND CALCULATING ODDS, that doing so, would snag HRC increased political power. *Morally Bankrupt does not do justice to the conniving political STUNTS (Uncles KKKarl and Murdoch are *secretly* proud of their "red headed stepchildren) that Bill, Hill and their beloved DLC have been able to "pull off" (thanks corporate M$M) in order to HOLD ON to that God Almighty Political Rule of the USA. :grr: :nuke:



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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:12 AM
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33. That's just ridiculous.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:13 AM by Sparkly
She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<20> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefellers late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<20> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<20>

Edited for link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton

Why, at age 20, would she have rejected the Republican party for "COLD AND CALCULATING ODDS, that doing so, would snag HRC increased political power?" If all she wanted was power, the Republican party was right there, and she even had an 'in' to their convention.

This is just over the top absurd.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:21 AM
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36. So she worked for the GOP for four freakin' years? '64-'68?
I knew about the internship with the GOP caucus but not about the convention. What a revelation. That would be her entire college career right?

And what evidence of a conversion is there? Going to work for six years as a board member for union-busting WalMart?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:35 AM
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38. You've got to be working at this.
:eyes:

Did not "work for the GOP," was not a Republican for "entire college career," evidence of "conversion" is plentiful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:44 PM
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42. Because I look further than campaign spin planted on wiki?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:49 PM by dailykoff
I'd call it due diligence as a voter. This election isn't exactly unimportant.

p.s. here's a little info "missing" from wiki:

"She grew up as a Goldwater Republican, like her father, in the middle-class Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. By the time she was a freshman at Wellesley, when she was elected president of the College Republicans, her concern with civil rights and the war in Vietnam put her closer to the moderate-liberal wing of the GOP led by Nelson Rockefeller. By her junior year, she had to be talked by her professor into taking an internship with Rep. Gerald R. Ford and the House Republican Caucus."

link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/
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gregjones Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:11 PM
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40. Should Hillary apologize to Blacks for being 'Goldwater Girl' ?
Should Hillary Apologize to Blacks ?????
Blacks Learning 'Goldwater Girl' Hillary Was AGAINST
the Civil Rights Act of 1964....Feel Deceived ! 

An article by Washington columnist Robert Novak (Google:
'Hillary, King, Goldwater) reveals that Hillary Clinton was a
staunch supporter of Sen. Barry Goldwater (who was adamently
against the civil rights act and a segregationist) during the
same period she claims in all black church appearances that
she was for the civil rights movement. Blacks feel that it
was impossible for Hillary to have been a Goldwater Girl and
pro civil rights at the same time which leads to the
assumption that Ms. Clinton is re-inventing her past. Many
blacks feel deceived by The Clintons. Should Hillary Clinton
make a public apology to blacks ? Or should she just refrain
from falsehoods in black churches ?
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:59 PM
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45. Yes
But it won't do any good.


I guess even back then she was playing both sides of every issue. That or she LIED about ...well... Everything !!! Hmmm.... two faced or a lier? I can't decide.


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MercerForPrez Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:53 PM
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44. Birds of a feather
eom.
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