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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:14 PM
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Obama Just Doesn't Get It
There aren't enough Reagan Republicans who will switch parties and vote for him in their primary, to make up for the remaining Democrats who are going, "WTF?"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:15 PM
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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6. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
meet Obama supporters.

Warped spin-makers, meet Obama Nation.

Distortion, thy name is Obama Nation.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:32 PM
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14. Thanks for the info about the
donation tomorrow.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:13 PM
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31. Thank you for your support!
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:10 PM
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27. well put.
:)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:16 PM
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2. Obama gets it perfectly: Reagan made wonders for his party and his ideology.
Obama will do the same for us, only that he will help the country in the process, unlike Reagan.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:37 PM
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20. from the person who once wrote 15 posts simultaneously
praising Obama, flooding the board.

Nice unbiased view.

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahaha!
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:13 PM
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30. we don't need another theme park.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:25 PM
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37. I don't see what is so damn difficult for people to understand
about his comments. Glad you get it, Katz! :cheers:
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:16 PM
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3. Perhaps he was looking to make inroads among California's independents?
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:16 PM by Unsane
Their primary is open I believe.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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7. CA is an open primary, but the independents wont vote for him if
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:20 PM by FreeState
it looks like Romney or Huckabee will get the nod - same thing happened in NH - they will vote for McCain.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:21 PM
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9. If it looks like Romney or Huckabee were getting the nom, wouldn't
Obama actually get more indy votes in CA, seeing how McCain would be out of the race at that point?
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:27 PM
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11. McCain will not be out before Feb 5th - he is ahead in national polls
But Romney and Huckabee are ahead in all the races leading up to the 5th.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:29 PM
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12. McCain losing in South Carolina is good for Obama in California.
Weird, I know. But probably true. The less McCain looks like a frontrunner going into Feb. 5th, the fewer indy votes he can siphon from Obama in places like CA. Agree?
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:31 PM
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13. Nope if McCain does not win SC, independents will break for him on the 5th
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 PM by FreeState
out of fear of a Huckabee or Romney nomination. If CA was held later on in the process then I would agree.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 PM
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16. He loses SC, comes in 3rd in FL (Jan. 29th). You still think indies break for him Feb. 5th?
I'd think he would be out of it by that time. A big reason why indies broke for him in NH was because of his extended presence in the state as well as the surge he'd seen in the polls, two aspects that will be lacking in CA. Has McCain even had any ad buys in the Golden State? We'll agree to disagree on this one.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM
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18. I guess we will have to wait and see:)
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:37 PM by FreeState
I like this part of politics - no matter who your candidate is the actual observing of who is voting and why is fascinating IMO.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:37 PM
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19. Agreed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:22 PM
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10. They'll Have to Be HUGE Inroads
With hundreds of thousands of people who were 8 or under during the Reagan era.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:16 PM
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4. Thanks for the concern. It will work out, I'm sure. The chips will fall for sure Saturday
And then we will know.

BTW: Wasn't Hillary named on that Lawsuit to Disenfranchise the union votes? Just asking?

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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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5. Yup If people understood economics they would understand
this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:18 PM
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8. Maybe it's the other two who don't get
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:39 PM
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22. I Really Don't Think So
Not unless Obama is trying to position himself for the VP slot.

What Reagan ushered in was bad for America - and he was really just the figurehead. The hard right was already there, they just wanted someone to be their ticket to power. Reagan was happy to help.

I don't entirely disagree with him on Bill Clinton's changes not being effective in the long run - but I do think Clinton's greatest accomplishments will be unheralded (declassifying cold war docs, shepherding an open internet).

So .. if Obama wants to be like Reagan, what ideologues is he going to open the door for? Which movers is he going to put into key positions? Who will be his Casey? His Oliver North? Who will be his Poindexter?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:11 PM
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28. There are Democrats on this board who voted for Reagan
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 10:12 PM by ProSense
and Bush.

Your premise is flawed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:16 PM
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33. With No Regrets?
..
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:17 PM
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34. You are so right, and I too despised Ronald Reagan
and his policies -- but I remember that term "Reagan Democrats" so well, and I think Obama was throwing a crumb to them and a big wave to Californians. I simply do not understand why DU cannot distinguish between a compliment to Reagan on changing the direction, in fact seizing it, the campaign as opposed to lending a stamp of approval on his policies. Obama made clear from the beginning he wanted to run a different sort of campaign, uniting the Country, and his Reagan remarks were both astute in their pitch but restrained on acclamation of the Reagan administration's policies. Where exactly are the discriminating political junkies here?
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:18 PM
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35. But...
How do those Democrats feel about that today? Do they still praise their choices??

Reagan was a vile, horrible man; a grade-B actor that won by selling his spiel about optimism, change, "a new day." No policies, just a feel-good attitude. Look what we got!

Now Obama is wanting to emulate him, selling "hope" and "change" but without any specifics. Be very careful.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:24 PM
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36. You should listen to his comments again
He never said Reagan was a great President, or that he would emulate him. Overreaction by those who do not understand the context of what was said, or just wanting to pile on the candidate that isn't Hil or Johnny. I thought DU was smarter than this. I thought wrong.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:34 PM
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15. pundits saying 50% of America liked it
Percentage is higher in California, where independents can vote in the primary.

It may help in some states and hurt in others.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:03 PM
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23. 50% Of America
Isn't voting in the Dem primaries.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:04 PM
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24. true
but in open primary states it plays to the middle well.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:36 AM
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42. Actually, I very few number of Americans vote in the primaries.
But independents make up a growing number of those those voting in dem open primaries.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 PM
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17. I'm not sure I get it either..
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM by stillcool47
I listened to the interview, and according to my ears, he was commenting on the "Reagan Revolution"..and how people were eager for change, and how much he (Reagan) was able to accomplish having the 'will of the people' behind him. The fact that his policies were disastrous in no way, diminishes his ability to bring about enormous change in our country and it's policies.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:10 PM
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26. Exactly
If I said that creating a mechanized military and using it in concentrated attacks to break through enemy lines was a revolution in modern warfare...... that does not mean I admire Hitler. I DON'T!!!


He did not say he approved of the direction Reagan took the country, only that Reagan took the country in a new direction. Then took a shot at Reagan tax cuts... "well we have tried that" (chuckle) was a pretty clear shot at Reagan's legacy.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:38 PM
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21. His supporters see no wrongs, hear no wrongs from Obama
He will keep them, he may lose some swing Democrats but he will be the overwhelming choice of Republicans and that may be more than enough to offset the loss of some on the fence Democrats. We know his campaign is courting Republican votes.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:06 PM
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25. we don't think he is perfect
just better than the other viable choice, Hell I would vote for Biden or Richardson if they had been viable

I want to win the general with someone I can support

Clinton's negatives are way to high, and I can't trust anything either one of them says.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:12 PM
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29. Half of the country thinks he is a Manchurian Muslim
Damned if I will waste any more time trying to explain it to them. Deaf ears to the base works both ways.

He can get out of this the way he got into it. Triangulating.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:15 PM
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32. LOL
I'm sorry, that just struck me as funny.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:28 PM
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38. I live in a VERY red area
If I had a dime for every time I have been emailed/told that he took his Senate oath on the Koran, I could retire.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:43 PM
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39. OBama is a ROOKIE
.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:53 PM
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40. Ron Reagan Jr gets it
"They both came along at times when society was on the cusp of change and they are both agents of change," Ron Reagan Jr, told the Huffington Post. "As far as Barack Obama being a similar agent of change, that remains to be seen. But what I do see him saying is that we are in a historical moment right now like the 60s and 80s. And I think he's right. We are overdue for a cultural shift."
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:05 AM
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41. When Obama speaks, I hear and see a man with a serious
God complex. Don't we already have one of those in the White House? Obama scares me and I think people better start looking past the glossy veneer and start really paying attention to him in toto.
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