Look, this is DU. Just don't defend Reagan!!

[hertopos]

I don't care about what Obama said.
Just don't defend Reagan.
Don't put down Carter.
Carter was very honest president.

If you were too young to know what happened during Iran hostage situation, you better change your history book.

Regard administration was the starting point of the decline of United States of America.
There is nothing positive about Reagan did.
If you are marketing specialist, yes, there are lots of new technique he and his administration took advantage of to manipulate people.

I like to believe Obama did not mean to 'praise' Reagan. I take it so as Obama supporters pointed out. So, please stop defending Reagan.

His legacy is literally going to destroy the world.

Hertopos

[no name no slogan]

1. But if I hear anyone dissing Nixon

They're getting it right in the Mercer.

[jzodda]

2. Didn't know you are in charge here?

Reagan had good and bad
Carter had good and bad

There's good and bad to say about every president, though some more good and some more bad. As to you being in charge of what people can discuss here at DU? I don't think so...

[LostinVA]

9. Reagan did NOT have good -- I literally can't think of one legit thing

It was not a good time for the United States or her citizens.

[jzodda]

13. Well of course thats your opinion

I think its more of a mixed bag but thats my opinion. Actually its really a mixed bag with most Presidents though as I said some are worse then others. I would rate this one (current pres) as the worst 2 term president we have ever had. I don't feel like going backward through 8 years of the 1980s though. Thats not really the point of my post. We can discuss any president we want to. I love it when people come here and tell us what we can or can not talk about like the thought police.

[redqueen]

20. Tell us the good parts of Regan's "mixed bag", as you perceive them.

I'm very curious to know.

[LostinVA]

30. It's the DEMOCRATIC opinion based on FACTS

Defending him in anyway on DU is appalling. If you really believe that, then you either must be 19-years-old and haven't studied those years or took a wrong turn on the internet.

The ONLY good thing Reagan's WH had was that adorable Cavalier Spaniel of Nancy's. That's it.

[jzodda]

34. I'll just let John Kerry speak about Reagan

Actually he said good things about him on more then one occasion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20704-2004Jun6.html

"Ronald Reagan and many of us disagreed on one issue or another, but he always disagreed with a smile, without partisanship," the Massachusetts Democrat told reporters after attending morning Mass at St. Anthony's in Boston. "I think he had a sense of idealism and a sense of optimism of the possibilities about our country that define leadership."

Later, during his commencement address at the University of Toledo to Bedford High School's 400 graduates, Kerry segued from his prepared remarks commemorating D-Day to memorialize Reagan as a "modern giant."

"Yesterday we lost one of our great optimists. . . . He was the voice of America in good times and in grief," he told students, parents and teachers. "He spoke for our country, for the eternal cause of liberty. . . . Free men and women everywhere will forever remember and honor President Reagan's role in ending the Cold War. . . . He was our oldest president, but he made America young again."

[LostinVA]

36. Did you hurt your back stretching like that?

[jzodda]

37. A little

I need a better chair at this office, wish they would spring for them. Its a boring afternoon here anyway :)I got more if you want it too..Hillary praising him, Al Gore praising him, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Tip Oneil and other links :)

[LostinVA]

43. Then I guess you just admitted to wanting to bash all Dems and praise Reagan

What a surprise.

[jzodda]

44. Read post 42, there's all the praise I can muster myself

[Arkansas Granny]

41. These remarks were made in the days following Reagan's death.

I think you'll find that a lot of people said some nice things about Reagan when he died.

[jzodda]

42. Yes that is true...But they still did say nice things

For me? I loved Regan growing up as I was only 10 when he came to power and so I didn't know better-He was like a kindly old grandfather .As an adult I found that I agreed with some of his foreign policy with regards to his arms control treaties but came to despise his domestic policy agenda. Its what got my so into Bill Clinton in 1992. When I say mixed bag I think his presidency was overall not a good one for the progressive agenda. I think we have been setback and every President after him has adopted some of his traits, which also is not a good thing.

[Arkansas Granny]

45. I was raising 4 kids as a single parent during the Reagan years

so I see his term in office in a completely different light. This was during the time that he was trying to have ketchup declared a vegetable for the school lunch program. I can't think of any part of his agenda that was supportive of women or children. Not to mention his action, or lack of it, when it came to AIDS. That alone was responsible for the deaths of many, including some very good friends of mine. I really came to despise the man.

[jzodda]

48. Yeah I can see the comparisions to today and this president

Because now I hate this one. That leads me to think I probably would have hated Reagan had I been an adult back then. As a ten year old growing up in a house that approved of him, it was hard not to like him. I didn't really get a taste of my own political world view till 1988. I was a freshman in college in Boston and since Dukakis was the governor I got my first taste of politics. Soon after that though I was too into having a good time in college to give it much thought. Later in my senior year, during the 92 election I came of age politically with support for Bill Clinton who remains one of my heroes to this day faults and all. My support of Clinton caused some strains between me and my dad too, especially during the scandal. We don't talk politics much to this day because of it all.


BTW: I like your posts. You don't get insulting like many others around here when making points. I wish this board had more like you :)

[Hawkowl]

15. You are flat out wrong

Reagan did absolutely NOTHING good. Nothing. Point out one, just one, single, solitary item of good that Reagan accomplished. I double dare you.

Those DUers that are too young to have managed to live through Reagan, need to talk to your older dem friends.

[FSogol]

16. Reagan did no good for this country. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

18. I agree with the OP, it's disheartening to see people..

trying to rewrite history HERE. We already see it everywhere else. Ronald Reagan was universally bad for this country, let's not sugar coat it.

If you'd like to provide some links to the good things that he did, and I mean worthy enough to be discussed here, then fine, otherwise don't criticize the OP's point.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. reagan is the reason the AIDS crisis became a crisis. so please dont tell us

that we have to hear praise about that.

and this is a democratic website, its fair to say we dont want to hear heaps of praise about some asshole republican

[we can do it]

40. Raygun Did NO Good Except for the Bigots & the Rich, Which Are You?

[Crazy Dave]

3. Reagan created the Taliban and gave weapons to Saddam n/t

[quinnox]

4. I can't discuss Reagan

I grew up under him as the president and it influenced me in a certain way so my opinion on him is colored by non-political biases.

[babylonsister]

5. Instead of berating anyone, why don't you get the context of where

this came from instead of spouting off?

There's two threads in here for you to get up to speed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4093056&mesg_id=4093082

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. the parallels are striking, though

Carter is probably the most ineffective president this party has put up in 100 years. Bush, this one, is probably the most ineffctive president ever.

Both left, or will leave, office with low approval ratings, high unemployment and rising inflation and stagnation in the economy, as well as tensions in the middle east.

If Obama wins, then, like Reagan, he will follow a pretty ineffective president and get a real opportunity to change things. Hopefully, unlike reagan, he will change them for the better. But there's no doubt there'll be change.

[hertopos]

17. I don't think he was the most ineffective

You can call Hitler the most effective to push his agenda.

The reason I don't talk too much about Nixson was because he did not meddle with LBS's social policy.

Reagan and Repub mashine manupulated Iran hostage situation to make Carter look very bad.
It is not because Carter was ineffective.
Let's say, in today's context, Cater was more like John Kerry. He did not expect Republican to do something these low to just win.

I already read all the things related to Obama-Reagan staff. I don't want to be involved with those thread. That's my choice.

I just want DUer's to stop defending Reagan. In a way, Reagan is worth than Bush since he was more effective pushing his agenda and push this country back words.

Hertopos

[THUNDER HANDS]

Hitler?

I thought we were talking about American presidents.

As for Carter, he was doing pretty poorly before the hostage crisis. If he wasn't, then Kennedy wouldn't have made such a hard charge to unseat him in the primaries.

As for Reagan, he wasn't worse than Bush. Bush stands alone at the top of a pile of dung.

[hertopos]

39. Bush is the worst but Reagan most evil.....

The definition of 'the worst' changes the ranking, I guess.

Hertopos

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. It's as bad as defending LBJ.

:puke:

[babylonsister]

35. That registered.

:thumbsup:

[hertopos]

38. Actually, I don't understand your comment

Defending LBJ is equated with Defending Reagan?

Are you ouf of mind?
Or, I don't understand your subtle message?

Hertopos

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Pretty much, yeah.

All these rubes attacking Obama for bringing up Clinton have been the same jokers praising LBJ after that stupid Clinton comment.

[greenman3610]

8. How About this?

Reagan was a murderous, brain addled buffoon, and his "October
Surprise" election was the greatest political crime of the 20th century.
His administration set the world on a course
that may end in the extinction of the human species and
most of the rest of the planet's life.

He was the jovial avuncular face of the fiends and
vampires that maintain a hold on America to this
day, and the hate, greed, and blood lust that
his rule birthed in our country is a nightmare
that our founding Fathers would not have
believed possible.

[jzodda]

10. So your saying you really like him a whole lot!

:D

[whatchamacallit]

14. No shit huh...

It's bad enough having to hear repukes blather on about Reagan.

[redqueen]

21. That's perfect.

Love the avatar and username too. :)

[Beam Me Up]

24. Just about sums it up for me.

People who think Reagan was anything other than a champion of the elite need to watch http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Berkeley_in_the_Sixties/60025099?trkid=189530&strkid=243338881_0_0">Berkeley in the Sixties to get a clue.

The 2-bit TV soap salesman who was made governor of California in the late Sixties and then put in the WH so *his* VP could run the dirty deeds our history books don't teach us was a not very intelligent, narrow minded bigot who was created by and pandered to the neo-fascist elements of our country.

Edit wording and typos.

[Adelante]

11. Who is defending Reagan?

Who are you talking to?

[hertopos]

29. Look there are two type of Obama supporters...

Type one--
Basically said some anti-Obama people bending his words. I can take that argument and let it go.

Unfortunately, there are different type Obama supporters. In order to defend Obama, they took different path. Some of them are literally talking like Republican talking points.
Big government, liberal special interest etc.

Some went to the extend saying that some of Reagan did was right.
No, way.

Please stop defending Reagan. In effect, he is worth than Bush. Bush was the worst but Reagan was the most evil since he was more successful than Bush.

BTW, just because my # of post is not that high does not mean, I am some new member. I only post when I cannot stand what is going on. I only post when I have some thing to say seriously.
I am reading DU right after 9-11 when majority of U.S became nuts.

Don't change the history about Reagan.

I can understand Obama want to be as effective as Reagan. That's fine. End of story.

However, some people are actually defending Reagan.
That's aweful..

Hertopos

[Adelante]

51. Here, go tell these people not to defend Reagan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4096660

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. I despise Reagan just as much as Nixon and the two Bushes.

He was a tool, a buffoon, a manufactured face. My God, his wife consulted Astrology to make state decisions! Reagan, like all recent Republic presidents, is an insult to intellect, reason and truth.

[William769]

19. K&R!

[grantcart]

22. The one and only good thing you can say about Reagan

Is that we were sure that he would start a totally needless war in the Middle East resulting in millions of refugees hundreds of thousands of dead and flame civil unrest in the region for decades. He did not do this. Having lived through the nightmare of these last 8 years I have moderated my opinion slightly of Ronald Reagan by admitting he isn't 1/8 as bad as George Bush.

[Lint Head]

25. No one is as bad as the criminal King George Bush.

:dem:

[Lint Head]

23. All Re-Pubic-Rats are fascists because they support a fascist.

ideology. Nixon, Ray-Gun, Bush, jr and sr, are fascists. They are supporting an ideology that wants to control every aspect of our lives. Some examples they support: random drug testing, ID cards, iris detectors, cameras around every corner, the type of sexual intercourse you have, etc. First they have to slowly destroy our rights by subverting the Constitution to the point that no one notices. It's the old 'boiling a frog slowly so he doesn't notice' scenario. :dem:

[shain from kane]

26. One good thing about Reagan. He kept the decomposition running on time.

He's dead. He was dying for about 10, maybe 20 years. He was terrible as a president, from his philosophy onwards. Time to move on.

[killbotfactory]

27. If we can't discuss why we thought Reagan won...

Without being berated as somehow praising him, what the fuck good is this place? No shit he was a bad president, he still one elections and set the tone of our political debate for nearly two decades. We should be able recognize this, and offer our own theories as to how and why, without people jumping down our throats calling us Reagan supporters.

[hertopos]

33. Then talk specifically about his marketing strategy.

I am not talking about his political strategy.
I am talking about defending his policy.
He did not do anything wrong.

I also believe that just being effective may not be the most important thing to emphasis on.
Many facist was originally very effective.

Hertopos

[FrenchieCat]

28. Why? Are we closed minded Freepers or something?

Are you saying that we should all think alike and not have discussions?

Shit, now that would be scary to see here on DU!

[hertopos]

32. Look, this is not about Obama.

I know you are fiercely loyal to Obama and I admire that.
I also understand that Obama's comment was taken out of context.

However, there is no reason to defend Reagan's policy ( not his evil strategy worked so well then.)

What bothered me most was that some people actually are defending his policy.

Hertopos

[Egnever]

46. WTF jelly bellies rock!

he deserves credit for bringing them to the attention of the nation.

[Bonobo]

47. I want to see a post defending Reagan! Show it!

[hertopos]

50. This is the thread I was shocked most.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4091712&mesg_id=4091712

I also found the thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4096605&mesg_id=4096605

quite offensive.

My friend is a gay man and he is an enthusiastic Obama supporter.
Though I support Hillary, I respect my friend's choice.
He hates Reagan and Bush.

Hertopos