McCain getting swiftboated....

[SaveElmer]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

[PresidentObama]

1. Oh god, not again. Attack him on the ISSUES, not a war many YEARS ago.

[gateley]

2. This is despicable. Have we sunk to that level? The man spent 5 years in a

POW camp. How dare these people try to cast doubt on him.

This is SO ugly.

[BlueManDude]

3. F him he deserves it. He has no principles. Bush did it to him in 2000

and he's been slobbering over him ever since.

[greenbriar]

5. yup

lie with the dogs...

[PresidentObama]

7. I dislike McCain, but how dare you say that?

He deserves it?

How?

Disagree with him on issues, don't say he deserves these kind of bullshit attacks.

You sound like one of those anti-Kerry Republicans from 2004 with the purple band-aids.

[BlueManDude]

15. If McCain gets the nom these same kind of scumbags will be doing the same crap

against his opponent - and McCain will say NOTHING about it. Wait 'til the "Obama Bin Laden" stuff starts, McCain will reap the benefits all the while pretending that he hates it.

Yeah - it's despicable but that's the party and people he's chosen to associate himself with. Sorry, no sympathy. It's politics.

[PresidentObama]

21. "It's politics" He was a POW, and tortured. It's politics. Fucking debate him on issues, not this.

How you can defend Karl Rove politics is beyond me.

Yeah, he's crazy. And he says some nutty things.

Doesn't mean he deserves salt in his wounds from Vietnam, THAT'S off limits.

No matter what he says in 2008.

Two wrongs don't make a right, EVER.

[SaveElmer]

4. I agree...nt

[sufrommich]

6. Shameless. nt

[NJSecularist]

11. Who created this website?

A Romney, Huckabee or Guilani supporter? Or a democrat?

[PresidentObama]

13. I can say this: I HOPE the Democrats have more class than ran this bullshit.

[sufrommich]

20. This is not the work of Democrats!

Likely a true blue wrapped in the flag republican "patriot".

[rodeodance]

8. VN vets against John McCain. Whow!!

[robbedvoter]

9. I wonder who pays them this time? he certainly didn't object much last time

they did it.

[PresidentObama]

12. To his credit, and I give him VERY little, he did speak out against the attacks on Kerry.

I dislike strongly McCain, and disagree with him on virtually every issue.

But this is total bullshit.

He spent how long in POW camps, and they want to pull this shit?

Disgusting. This kind of low politics isn't good for Republicans OR Democrats.

[BlueManDude]

16. very tepidly - and then he climbed all over kerry about the "botched joke" stuff

[robbedvoter]

17. Exactly. Considering the circumstances, he should have really championed the truth

on this one. he weaseled out after paying mild lip service.

[Bleacher Creature]

18. "Tepidly" is the perfect word. . .

It's also why I won't lose any sleep over this.

[PresidentObama]

19. This isn't about the botched joke. These attacks were disgusting about Kerry, and now McCain.i

How ANY Democrat can say they support this kind of Karl Rove politics is a hypocrite.

He was a POW for how many years?

He was tortured.

And he spoke up for Kerry when this bullshit happened to him.

And YOU want to defend it?

Fuck that.

I disagree with him on most every issue, and dislike him.

But one thing I'm not is LOW!

[sufrommich]

23. I agree. McCain's politics suck,but he's no arm chair warrior.

His service in the military deserves respect.

[BlueManDude]

27. McCain's shown he's not above catering to this crowd when it serves

his needs. Didn't he have a bunch of Neo-Confederates high up in his SC campaign?

Call me heartless, but I'm not going to wring my hands when RWers torch each other. Groups like this are always going to sling this muck. Better they do it against their guys than ours.

I guess we just disagree. McCain's a big boy - he'll live.

[PresidentObama]

30. "McCain's a big boy - he'll live" McCain was tortured, and held as a FUCKING P-O-W.

And you want to defend this?

You call yourself a Democrat?

[Politicub]

10. Those ghouls are beyond the pale

Not that I'm a big McCain supporter, but this kind of stuff just makes me sick. The guy was a POW!! I would love to see the assholes who put this site up imprisoned under the same conditions as McCain. They wouldn't last a day.

[kurth]

14. Cowardly scum

[mtnsnake]

22. Do you think this is the same disgusting work of Bushco and Rove that we saw in 2000?

[PresidentObama]

24. I sure hope it's a Republican, and not a Democrat.

I've getting serious deja vu from 2004.

This is NOT how we need to win the White House if McCain is the nominee of the nutjobs.

[mtnsnake]

28. No way it could be a Democrat

A very similar thing was started by Bush and Rove in 2000 to kill McCain's chances in that primary.

[PresidentObama]

29. Well Bush isn't running. Could it be a Bush supporter in a rival campaign?

I would guess so.

Romney seesm like the kind of slimeball to do this bullshit.

[fujiyama]

31. This is really nothing new

It's very similar looking to the old website that was around back in '00. It's probably the same group of nitwits. Many were angry at McCain for working with Clinton to normalize relations with Vietnam and they accused him of selling out POWs. These were likely Rove's hatchet men like the Swift Boaters. They called him the the Manchurian Candidate I think. I doubt they like him anymore than they did then and they've probably got behind Romney at this point.

This is pretty nasty, but what's worse is McCain sold out to all those hacks and kissed Bush's ass in '04 hoping he could make nice with these freaks. He's now deluded himself into believing Bush is great. He sold out to the people that spread nasty rumors about his wife and kids.

He has no shame.

[Skittles]

25. disgusting

absolutely disgusting

[NastyRiffraff]

26. I agree, this is obscene

There are many, many reasons I don't like John McCain. But I can't fault his military service, or his sacrifices there. I hope no Dems pick up this garbage in any way. Attack him on the issues, definitely. But leave his military service alone.

[bidenista]

32. cynical reaction

I guess I've been spending too much time reading about Rove's tactics, but I can't help wondering if this wasn't set up by McCain supporters to trigger support. I mean, seriously, who would buy this hateful trash? The more normal reaction would seem to be one of sympathy for McCain.

Then again, after what happened to Kerry, I guess some morons do sway in the face of blatantly dishonest, cowardly garbage. So it's a tough call. Still, I doubt it was a Dem.

[Politicub]

33. FWIW - here's the whois report for the domain

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Is this guy affiliated with the swift boaters?

[bidenista]

34. this from the ap in the last hour

McCain Camp Challenges Mailer's Claims

By JEFFREY COLLINS – 47 minutes ago

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Supporters of Republican John McCain on Tuesday assailed a mailer sent to state newspaper editors claiming he sold out fellow POWs to get better treatment while held prisoner in Vietnam.

"Nothing could be further from the truth. I know because I was there," Orson Swindle, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and former prisoner of war, said in a statement about the mailing from Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.

The group's organizer, Jerry Kiley, who said he also is a Vietnam veteran, said in a telephone phone interview that he has been trying for years to spread what he said is the truth about McCain's record.

"John McCain has created this myth that he is a hero and he is not," Kiley said from his home in Garnerville, N.Y.

Kiley's group cites as evidence a May 1973 U.S. News & World Report article by McCain in which he said he realized, on his third or fourth day of captivity after his plane was shot down in 1967, that his knee was so swollen the blood might pool in it and kill him. So he offered to give military information to his captors in exchange for medical treatment.

In the article, McCain said he told the story to make the point that the North Vietnamese only gave medical treatment to POWs if they thought they were going to get something in return. He did not say that he went through with his end of the deal.

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