Why do Obamistas think "shuck and jive" is a slur but "si se puede" isn't?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

:shrug:

[no name no slogan]

1. Wow, you just won't let it rest, will you?

If it has to be explained to you, then I wonder whether or not you even type your own posts.

Seriously.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. "If you don't know I'm not going to tell you"?

Why not. It's a serious question.

[LanternWaste]

57. Seems less like a serious question and more like a "gotcha" question

Seems less like a serious question and more like a "gotcha" question-- the kind we hear on A.M. talk radio stations.

But then, as I've neither chosen nor ruled out a candidate yet, I'm probably blinded by a sense of neutrality...

[cloudythescribbler]

38. Amen -- what an UTTERLY spurious equivalence!!!!! nt

[Ian David]

2. Sí se puede

Sí se puede
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Sí se puede (Spanish for "Yes, It can be done!") is the motto of the United Farm Workers. In 1972, during Cesar Chavez's 25 day fast in Phoenix, Arizona, he and UFW's co-founder, Dolores Huerta came up with the slogan.<1>

The phrase drew widespread political and media attention as a rallying cry during the 2006 U.S. immigration reform protests.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%AD_se_puede

[rox63]

3. Si se puede means "Yes we can"

How could that be seen as a slur? :shrug:

[Ian David]

9. I don't get it either. Should we thank him for playing "Really Bad Analogies" ? n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. and shuck and jive is an expression used primarily by blacks to mean "slick"

why is an Italian guy using African American originated slang "racist" but "si se puede" by a black candidate isn't?

[Ian David]

22. Unless Obama used "si se puede" to attack Richardson, the analogy is meaningless. n/t

[rox63]

30. He was talking to union members, and this phrase has a history with organized labor

This the lamest anti-Obama complaint I've heard all day. :eyes:

[cloudythescribbler]

41. maybe a daily "lamest anti-Obama protestation" award should be given out at DU... nt

[cloudythescribbler]

40. OK -- here's the fallacy ....

Shuck and jive is not MERELY a use of black slang. It is a use of a black slang PERJORATIVE (and stereotype) by a non-black major public figure about a major African-American political figure. Hearing the use of the phrase, it is hard at least for many people (not needing ANY connexion whatsoever to the Obama campaign, as HRC has implied) not to think of race and about Obama. It is a reminder, in a negative AND KNOWINGLY PROVOCATIVE WAY of Obama's being African American.

The provocative issue is key because, like the 'minstrel show' GOP Convention in 2000, it predictably spawns a lot of discussion BY OTHERS of the 'race' issue, and therefore puts it front and center in the minds of voters (of whom the vast majority are white).

Aside from the MORALITY of the issue, it seems to be a dangerous game to try and play within the Democratic Party, but maybe I am naively optimistic here. But note how raising the immigration issue for reasons of pure heat and no light in 2006 didn't do the Repugs much good.

[pnorman]

52. Earlier on this thread, I had likened that phrase to an Amos and Andy style stereotype,

that would be relatively benign. But I'll now go for your use of the word: "pejorative". And I'm now starting to get PISSED at the implication expressed earlier that: "Si Se Puede!", was just a Hispanic "ethnic thing"! As another poster commented, it's strongly grounded in unionism AND justice! It happens to be the ONLY Spanish phrase that not only stirs my blood, but comes to my tongue naturally. I can say it in my sleep.

"Si Se Puede!"

pnorman

[ellacott]

53. shuck and jive means slick? That's a new one for me

[MADem]

16. Yes, he or she can. Or the generic 'one' can. Or even "It's possible" in a loose meaning. Not 'we'

To be excessively technical....

Si, podemos....!

[cloudythescribbler]

42. ... or the slang expression "Way" (as in SNL's Aurora Ill routine) nt

[Yael]

18. Consider the source of the OP

[cloudythescribbler]

39. all it takes is a little imagination -- not to mention patriotism! nt

[GalleryGod]

45. He's quoting Cesar Chavez

40 years from now...the greatest boast will be..I marched with Cesar

[RoveRage]

60. I thought it meant, "yes you can".

[Didereaux]

5. because rational thought is a sign of intelligence?

[Ian David]

6. Toda Su Base Es Pertenece A Nosotros! n/t

[Kittycat]

15. ROFLMAO

Thanks for the laugh. The OP is so insane on this topic, it needs a little life.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Joke, right?

Gawd, I hope so.

[Essene]

8. shuck and jive by itself isnt a slur. But using the phrase to diss a black politician... is

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. So African Ameircan slang can only be used by African Americans? bwaa

That's why the race card is backfiring.

[AX10]

14. The left wing and their political correctness.

PM me if you want more details.

[fascisthunter]

20. "left wing and Their Political correctness"

oh brotha

[Essene]

34. spare us your insincere apologist banter, for race baiting

I love apologists for racism.

Andrew Cuomo, Attorney General for the State of New York... made very obnoxious and unacceptable comments directed at a black presidential candidate. You may think that's funny or nothing to be upset about, but it was done explicitly to divide and conquer as race baiting.

[Essene]

35. oh... and yes, the power of words has everything to do with context

[knowledgeispwr]

37. Nice strawman

That's not what the post you replied to said. S/he said when used to dis blacks.

[depakid]

21. Gotta admit, my Aussie partner thought so, too

even though I explained to her that it's a phrase that's often used in a general sense, without any racial connotations whatsoever.

[Sparkly]

56. Okay, but Cuomo didn't use it to diss a black politician.

He wasn't talking about Obama at all.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. If he hadn't all ready, this poster just jumped the shark.

[AX10]

13. You comments are more of a reason to abstain should...

Obama (Empty Suite-Illinois) get the nomination.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AX10]

29. Obama supporters speak of inclusion but..

don't want anyone who is not like them.
I am a moderate Democrat.
To bad the Obaministas don't want others in their camp.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. You know not what you say....

Obama's campaign has welcomed independents, and recovering republicans into their camp. Hillary has continued to supress votes. Now who is it again that doesn't want voters who are not like them?

[cloudythescribbler]

43. Here is another WONDERFUL illustration of some trends at DU I've been noting ...

The absolutely most PREPOSTEROUS claims and protestations AGAINST Obama are sure to find someone(s) who have their back

It's time to raise this issue within DU, and to talk about PROGRESSIVE AUTHENTICITY............

[Kittycat]

17. Si se puede isn't a slur!

[PresidentObama]

19. This has to be the dumbest OP in DU history.

How is "Yes We Can" in Spanish EVEN somewhat similiar to the bullshit line of "Shuck and Jive"

[Ian David]

26. While the OP rates pretty high on the OMFWTF-scale, it is hardly the DUMBEST post EVER on DU.

I'd link to some examples, but most of them just say, "You are ignoring this poster."

[PresidentObama]

32. Fine, it's on the list of dumbest posts.

How is "Yes We Can" a slur? And how is it ANYWHERE close to the "Shuck and Jive" bullshit?

Boggles the mind, huh?

[David Zephyr]

44. LOL!

It says a lot about the OP doesn't it? Oh well, at least it is entertaining watching him reveal himself to everyone.

[bowens43]

23. Obamistas? What are you, about 12 years old?

Grow up.

[pnorman]

24. "Yes, we can!"

That's an activist slogan, and referring to the power of hitherto "powerless" people uniting and finding power. WHO could regard that as a "racial" slur?

But "Shuck and jive"? Probably not a "slur", but an Amos & Andy style stereotype!

pnorman

[GalleryGod]

46. Quoting Cesar Chavez.

40 years from now..the greatest boast will be, I Marched with Cesar

[pnorman]

49. I never marched with Cesar Chavez,

but I used up a lot of shoe leather marching in behalf of his Farm Workers Union. A souvenir of one such march, is a cassette tape labeled: "Si Se Puede!"

Solidarity Forever!
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run,
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun;
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one,
But the union makes us strong.

CHORUS:
Solidarity forever,
Solidarity forever,
Solidarity forever,
For the union makes us strong.

Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite,
Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?
Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight?
For the union makes us strong.

It is we who plowed the prairies; built the cities where they trade;
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid;
Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made;
But the union makes us strong.

All the world that's owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone.
We have laid the wide foundations; built it skyward stone by stone.
It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own.
While the union makes us strong.

They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn,
But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn.
We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn
That the union makes us strong.

In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold,
Greater than the might of armies, magnified a thousand-fold.
We can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old
For the union makes us strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYiKdJoSsb8

"Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one,
But the union makes us strong."

pnorman

[Barb in Atl]

27. Two part response...

First: Obamistas? Are we all serving lattes as we support the senator? Ya want foam on that?

Anyway, unless someone is trying to be "hip" or riffin' on that whole 70's Good Times thing, I very rarely hear shuckin' and jivin'. I can't imagine why anyone would refer to the campaign strategies of opponents as shuckin' and jivin' when one of the opponents is of color unless they were high or had a particularly bad head bump in the not too distant past.

Mind you, didn't pay attention to local campaigns until the last couple of years, so I may have missed previous uses of this oh so common phrase.

And si se puede is the spanish version of his campaign slogan, isn't it?

[MadBadger]

28. For the second day in a row, P2BA, today's WORST PERSON IN THE WOOOOORRRLLLDDDD!!!!

[GalleryGod]

47. YUP

On the list!

[tammywammy]

31. You've out done yourself

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

Congrats, I didn't think I could see a sillier thread.

[hedgehog]

48. You didn't see this one then:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2676898

[tammywammy]

51. You know, that's the second Freemason thread I've seen lately

strange coincidence.


:)

[killbotfactory]

36. Wow.

[Occam Bandage]

50. Put down the bong, dude.

[Bishop Rook]

54. Five words

Negative connotation versus positive connotation.

[Vinca]

55. Maybe because we don't speak Spanish and haven't a clue what it means? nt

[TerwilligeRedux]

58. How is "Yes, We Can" a slur?

I have a problem with the fact that Andy Cuomo can't say "shuck and jive" solely on the basis that Obama is black. I would say "shuck and jive" repeatedly referring to most politicians.

[Hello_Kitty]

59. I'll take Inapt Analogies for $500, Alex! nt