Eating our own...come on people lets get it together.

[Mother Of Four]

It's one thing to post every now and again about a candidate you don't agree with/don't like ...heck I'm guilty of it too.

I was curious, and did a search of other forums-

Do you folks realize that we are getting just as bad as the R's boards?

However, the INDEPENDENT forums..theres a big list of them if you do a search...are more civil and use a better discourse that whats been going on here. All spectrum's are talking there, and guess what? They aren't trying to cut each others throats like we are here. There are a few heated threads, but not nearly like what it is here in GD: P

A strange dynamic is happening...many Indys lean either D or R on a regular basis. They are breaking in a big way to Obama and McCain...for the very reason that many of us here are slamming them for (Reaching out and trying to unite)

I have a deep gut feeling Bloomberg is going to run, trending is showing that people want "CHANGE" in a big way...more than any other issue. That's why McCain has a surge right now, and Obama is so popular with Indy's.

Bloomberg is a real and tangible threat. They are afraid for the economy, and will flock to someone who's "vetted" (I hate that term) IE someone who has shows he's not only adept with money, but is an information hound as well.

Sadly, Indy's are ignoring the fact that they have the perfect candidate under their noses- JRE. He's determined to bring change in a huge way by ending the lockstep of "Modern Politics" -- And the only way you can do that is to get rid of the suffocating embrace of big money in politics.

I've decided to take a little break from DU for my sanity...hopefully when I come back (I'm a political junkie so it'll likely only last a couple days if that LOL) people will have gotten just a tish smarter and couch their words in a debate format instead of an insult flinging contest.


I've been a lurker much longer than I've been registered to post here, since the 2004 election. Alot of you are tremendously savvy, lets use that instead of visceral reactions.

[mike_c]

1. while I agree with you in principle, I think this debate highlights...

...a bigger problem for the democratic party. The dems seem unable to field a candidate who is not seriously flawed and divisive, or at least the party leadership seems to prefer such candidates. I'm a liberal whose democratic party identity has slipped considerably over the last decade or so because the party consistently nominates candidates who don't represent me and my politics-- in that sense they are not "my own" at all, but rather just another flavor of the same old same old. Same pig, different lipstick.

Lifting America out of this mess is going to require either a massively charismatic and capable leader who comes out of nowhere and sweeps the rest aside, or a party that has been rebuilt from within to better serve our real political interests. All the criticism, the "eating of our own," is designed to do the latter. We need to vigorously reject the tools being foisted on us as the best the democratic party can offer and fight for a party that will genuinely change America's direction.

[CoffeeCat]

2. When you leave...

...you shrink the numbers of rational people offering sage discourse, and
you contribute to the crazies getting a disproportionate advantage in the
debate.

That's what these people want. They want you to grow weary and leave, so they
have more voices making outrageous statements--giving the impression that their
nonsense is the most popular opinion.

The only way these voices win--is if they are unchallenged and if they are allowed
to influence others with their propaganda, with no one around to call them on
their nonsense.

Please reconsider.

[xchrom]

3. while i am attracted to edwards as a candidate -- here's a couple of problems

i have with independat voters.

many of them tend to the conservative -- or at least the campaigns and the media tend to make us believe they are.

so campaigns trot out less than progressive ideas to appeal to just those voters.

where does that leave someone like me who is active all the time? -- and i am always active for leftist government programs -- poverty, the enivironment, reducing the pentagon budget, school, progressive taxation, etc.

it will always seem to me that if the democratic party could do some kind of real sould searching and embrace being the party of left -- stop being afraid of the conservative wolf -- that it would find a modern authentic voice -- and one that didn't pander.

[DJ13]

4. Bloomberg is a real and tangible threat.

Yes he is, but its being said by several people close to the issue that he only plans on running if Hillary wins the nomination.

Dont know how true that is, but if it is true I wonder whats behind the bad blood there.

I dont know about anyone else, but if I was a billionaire (well, I can dream...), and I were going to spend up to a billion of my money just out of spite to prevent someone else from becoming President, I would have to really hate that person to do that.

[Marrah_G]

5. Please stay- ignore the flamers and help keep DU sane.

People like you need to speak out MORE, not less, to drown out the voices trying to tear our community apart.

[applegrove]

6. I agree I hate fighting fellow Dems.