Bill Clinton lies again by denying that he ever said his "fairy tale" comment about Obama

[zulchzulu]

Bill Clinton stated this in New Hampshire at a rally before the primary:

"It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war," Clinton said during the rally.

"There's no difference in your voting record, and Hillary's, ever since," Clinton said. "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Bill-Clinton-Obama.html

Not only was Bill Clinton continuing his career as a pathological liar and soiling the dignity of the American Presidency with his allusions muddying and lying about a candidate for his power-hungry wife who he cheated on many times, but Bill now has the reptilian courage to deny he ever said such a shameful accusation.

When asked on Al Sharpton's radio show about the "fairy tale" comment, Bill Clinton sputtered and lied again.

Al Sharpton asked Clinton, "You had said that Senator Obama's campaign was a fairy tale. How -- how do you respond to that?" Clinton responded: "First of all, it's not true. I have given hundreds of speeches on Hillary's behalf in this campaign. I don't believe I've given a single one where I did not applaud Senator Obama and his candidacy. It's not a fairy tale."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801120001?f=h_latest

The Goldwater Girl, who supported Barry Goldwater's belief that there needed to not be a Civil Rights Act, probably will have to comment on this tact as well as her downgrading the importance of Martin Luther King.

Meanwhile, we see yet another example of Bill Clinton as a pathological liar willing to do or say anything to pay back his wife for what he did to her.

It truly is time to turn the page. The Clintons are a poison on the Democratic Party.

[Dogmudgeon]

1. And he killed, like, 57 people, too.

I read it on The Internet, so it HAS to be true!

--p!

[zulchzulu]

6. Shall I post the video of his comment and the audio of his denial?

Surely actual proof of his deeds would not be enough for some sheep, I mean, people.

[Dogmudgeon]

9. I heard the whole thing

Bill is innocent of that charge.

There are plenty of fuck-ups to choose from that Team Clinton has made*. This one is press confection.

--p!
*Teams Obama and Edwards, too. It's a Democratic Primary!

[antiimperialist]

2. Misleading thread

Sharpton asked Clinton if he said "fairy tale" about Obama, but Clinton in fact said "this whole thing" was a fairy tale, referring to Obama's claims about his position on the Iraq war that Clinton thinks are inaccurate. Right after Clinton stopped talking about Obama's Iraq claims, he said "this whole thing is a fairy tale". He didn't said about Obama, but about his position on the war.

I recommend a thread by DU'er "Herman Munster" who linked to the video of Clinton's remarks in context:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4047260

[sandnsea]

3. I think he meant about the campaign

It's not true that he said the campaign was a fairy tale. That's the "not true" I think he meant. And he was talking about Obama's opposition to the war and the campaign he built as a result, as being a fairy tale. That's what he meant, not just the campaign in itself.

[annie1]

4. Nice try.

[TwilightZone]

5. Did you actually read what you posted?

Nowhere does Clinton claim he didn't *say* "fairy tale". He said that he had not stated that Obama's *campaign* was a fairy tale.

Reading is fundamental.

[zulchzulu]

7. How Clintonian of you

That is not a compliment.

[TwilightZone]

8. As opposed to what? Completely lying about the content of an article?

Either you can't read, or you're lying. Take your pick.

[zulchzulu]

10. Answer these two simple questions

1. Did Bill Clinton refer to Obama's views on the Iraq War as a fairy tale?

The video is here if you need to be reminded of what he said:
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/_by_frank_james_the.html

Then he states this in an interview with Al Sharpton, who asked what he meant by the comment about Obama's views being a fairy tale:

"First of all, it's not true. I have given hundreds of speeches on Hillary's behalf in this campaign. I don't believe I've given a single one where I did not applaud Senator Obama and his candidacy. It's not a fairy tale."

2. Did Bill Clinton say as he says in the interview that he never referred to Obama's record as a fairy tale?

Honesty is easy for some...hard for others.

[Luminous Animal]

41. Answers.

1. Yes. Bill Clinton referred to Obama's narrative about his views on the Iraq war was fairy tale.

Sharpton says, ""You had said that Senator Obama's campaign was a fairy tale.

2. Your second question has nothing to do with Sharpton's statement. So no. Bill Clinton responded to the statement truthfully. He never once claimed that Obama's campaign was a fairy tale.

[DURHAM D]

11. Shouldn't you be out doing your -

"grassroots outreach to the gay community" instead of wasting time on this kind of stuff. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

14. Actually I was working on some of that stuff today

I do some work for a Wisconsin web site that does a lot of progressive work and we're doing some cool stuff that supports the LGBT community this year (http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/one_wisconsin/).

So I do walk the walk... I also point out when a pathological liar lies about my candidate of choice. Call me odd. Whatever.

[madrchsod]

34. booked marked "one wisconsin"

i intend to spend a lot of time in wisconsin this year. my son moved to janesville and if things don`t pick up here i`ll be moving to janesville and look for a job to send money back home to illinois

[durrrty libby]

12. Please get that petition going demanding Obama use Jesse Jackson Jr

for his TV media 24/7

He is da bomb


Awesome vid http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x83084

[mtnsnake]

13. Speaking of pathelogical liars, just take a peek in the mirror, pal.

[Clintonista2]

17. No kidding. This is the poster that started a "Clinton let Osama go" thread a few months ago

[mtnsnake]

19. Compulsive lying is a way of life with some of these posters. Pathetic

[dionysus]

29. so is compulsively singing...

one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the line
standing towntown at the railway station, one toke over the line!!

:)

[mtnsnake]

32. Ha! That won't work, my friend

I'm covering my eyes as I reply! :evilgrin:

[dionysus]

37. to iowa and back, and much to his surprise, they voted for barack,

and it opened up his eyes. now he's...

one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the line.

standing downtown at the DLC station one toke over the...

line............

:hi:

PS ...if i could make posts play audio you'd be toast buddy!

[mtnsnake]

39. Sweet!

:hi:

[Lex]

15. He never said Obama's *candidacy* was a fairy tale.

He was speaking specifically to the *voting record* issue.


It's not hard to see.

[Perry Logan]

16. Obamites are a cancer on the Democratic Party.

[Lex]

18. playing the victim is beginning to be an art form

with them :wtf:

[zulchzulu]

21. So Bill caught with his pants down lying AGAIN just means nothing to you

How I pity people like you that think the Clintons are actually are your side.

You can have your NAFTA-loving, China free trading, homophobic law signing Clintons on your mantle. Enjoy watching that trillion dollar war with countless dead and dying for your amusement. Cackle while you cry.

[Lex]

30. get a grip, he wasn't lying

end of story (the rest of your post about pitying me is just plain mental)

[zulchzulu]

35. How convincing! So Bill lying isn't a lie, it's a redefined truth adjustment?

I know. Bill being caught lying again is not a lie. It's a de-truthed language module. Perhaps a fact-challenged frame...

:crazy:


Btw, keep responding. It's kicks it so more people can see the truth about the Clintons.

:thumbsup:

[Lex]

I was kicking so people could see the desperation

and the flopping around playing victim.

Clinton isn't even my primary choice.

You're turning away more possible Obama voters than you are convincing any. Sad to see really.

[zulchzulu]

40. I point out the many lies of the Clintons

For that, I'm doing my duty to stop them in their tracks before we lose the election. If you don't see the obvious proof of Bill Clinton lying, then so be it.

If people are turned off by the truth, then I don't care.

[Lex]

43. it's your truth

not 'the' truth

you cannot see the difference in the state you're in

[zulchzulu]

20. You obviously approach the proven facts of someone lying again as another free pass

There are many of us that will do all we can to wrest the selfish, lying and power-mad Clintons from our Democratic Party. We will win.

[dkf]

22. Yes. Please no more Clintons.

They are ruining the party.

[madrchsod]

28. so anyone who disagrees with hillary and bill

"are a cancer on the democratic party"? or is it just the "obamites". since i am voting for dennis. i hope i`m not a cancer on the party.

[durrrty libby]

31. Sadly you are correct . The Tsunami backlash is coming

[Bread and Circus]

23. You know, Bill Clinton has never lied to save his ass, never will either..

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

24. Bill, you said the words, just apologize and move on

This is pathetic.

[madrchsod]

25. bill should have stopped while he was ahead

every time he answered he dug himself in deeper...sometimes admitting that you fuck`d up is the best way to bury the problem. but we know that politician`s egos will not allow them to do so.

[TeamJordan23]

26. We all know he opposed the Iraq War from the start also.

:sarcasm:

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[durrrty libby]

33. Their lack of character is a wretched pity( simple mided idiots)

Edit to add.

You misunderstood. I was agreeing with you

[zulchzulu]

36. Finally we agree! The Clintons certainly fit that bill

Thanks for finally seeing the light about the Clintons.

[durrrty libby]

47. Your obvious problem from the get go is your lack of comprehension

[pingzing58]

38. If so called Dems like you keep trashing any of our candidates I'm voting

for McCain because Zulu and you durrrty don't deserve to have any say in our government. Keep it up idiots and see what you get f*kers. Go ahead and be the straw that breaks the camel's back!!!!

[Name removed]

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[pingzing58]

50. Well enough libby. nt

[Sparkly]

42. You left out significant parts of what he said.

He said he wasn't talking about Obama's CAMPAIGN, but about the notion that he had a completely different view from HRC on Iraq.

[Lex]

44. there's a complete and utter refusal on the OP's part to see that

nt

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

45. The Clintons do more damage by insulting us like this than just by fessing up and apologizing

Just apologize, take a chill pill and we can settle things a bit. Instead, they just continue to dig the hole even deeper.

[durrrty libby]

49. They have nothing to apologize for. All the hyperventilating fools need to

apologize. The lack of comprehension skills goes to show the crap education people get

There sure are a lot of clueless ignorant dummies who understand diddly squat. A shame

[emilyg]

46. Stop posting hate.

[zulchzulu]

53. Clinton's hatred of the truth needs to be exposed

If Bill Clinton is caught in another obvious lie, then it's not hate. It's the truth.

[Igel]

51. He didn't lie.

He was careful, and truthful. But in the kind of way that presupposes a lack of cooperation and good will, a lack of openness and sincerity. It's how lawyers talk, and how politicians talk.

Truthful doesn't mean "not deceptive". One can tell the truth, but only part of the truth.

Jake: "Hey, Ben. I have to pick up dinner on the way home and don't have any money. Can I borrow $20 for a pizza?"
Ben: "Sorry, Jake. I only have $10 in my wallet."
(Ben conveniently forgets to mention the three 20s he has in his pants pockets. Ben told the truth. Jake infers that Ben has only $10. Look up "conversational implicature", I assume there's a wiki entry on it, if not some enterprising discourse pragmatist must have a page devoted to them.)

A good faith response would have been to *clarify* what was said: "No, I didn't say Obama's *campaign* was a fairy tale, I said that his much trumpeted divergence from my wife's Iraq-war record was a fairy tale." Then a discussion about what *was* said could ensue.

Instead, there's a denial that will be taken by many--most?--as a denial of having used the word "fairy tale".

[Name removed]

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[zulchzulu]

54. When Bill Clinton stops lying, I'll stop exposing him for lying

That is going to be a long time...

[loveangelc]

55. there seems to be a pattern...

[zulchzulu]

56. Bingo!