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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:44 PM
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OBAMA floats above the mud fest thrown by desperate CLINTONS!
In my lifetime, I have yet to see a candidate with as much dignity and suave as when I watch and listen to Barack Obama. The man exudes pensive confidence. In addition, his Family is beautiful and he is authentic in his carriage.

First Hillary copied Obama's approach of being a change agent.
Then she exchanged her old and tired backdrop of luminaries from the old Clinton Administration to an "Obama type" crowd of youth and future for New Hampshire.

On the stomp, Hillary desperately tries to be more lyrical and forceful a la Sen. Obama. I was cracking up watching her on C-Span doing her California gig last night. Was too funny as well, as she had to give a long ass answer that was done in three parts about why she voted Kyl-Lieberman.


The bottom line is that the Hillary camp does not have an original idea to offer voters. Most of what is being offered are either reruns that are old and stale or someone else's' stolen idea.

What is clear is; Hillary Clinton is a follower, not a visionary.

Obama is not only a leader, but he has good political instincts.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:52 PM
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1. Obama on Clinton
“She’s also a skilled politician,” Obama said, “and she’s run what Washington would call a ‘textbook’ campaign.

But the problem is the textbook itself. It’s a textbook that’s all about winning elections, but says nothing about how to bring the country together to solve problems.
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:56 PM
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3. And Obama can bring the country together through cliches?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:09 PM
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8. Obama believes just like Bill Clinton believed when it was Bill
who was the man from Hope.

He believes that it takes a super majority in this democracy to get what you want done, done.

not dirty tricks.

Hence, the difference.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:15 PM
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12. The textbook campaigns can
win elections but what are they gonna do with them once they got them..and don't forget who wrote these textbooks.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:55 PM
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2. That's sorta sick, FC
I've heard a lot about bam-bam stealing from gorgeous. They probably will all take what's successful from other campaigns that they can do subtly. You are love-struck. Simply said, they all do it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:03 PM
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5. Obama is above it
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 03:14 PM by FrenchieCat
Get used to it.

They will try to bring him down......but they will be the ones reaching up from down in the swamps.

Don't let it bother you. After Bush, we are now totally used to power hungry politicians who calculate their own legacy more important than the country's. Nothing new. That's why Clinton ain't about change. She's about "give us one more chance". Well they screwed up last time, and so, I don't want a BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON old tv rerun!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:17 PM
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14. We are totally too use
to the calculations of power hungry politicians..bush set the bar down in the abyss and some are only too happy to follow.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:05 PM
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35. YOu are one delusional _______! You fill in the blank!
Hey where's that apology to Sen.Clinton...If he is SO ABOVE this SHIT! He thinks he's above it...can't not wait( because of people like you)until the MSM begins to release their barrage of info they are intentionally are holding back on your candidate!!


http://attacktimeline.com /


Obama has been quietly running a dirty and hypocritical campaign for months; from (D-Punjab) to the oppo smears against Edwards."Nice Enough"
STILL analyzing tears ...Katrina Implying she's a racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!?? "PURE" Obama! GET REAL!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:58 PM
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4. Well, at least you aren't biased
:D

:sarcasm:
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:05 PM
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6. Obama is a lot of hot air!
Obama was a back bencher in US Senate for 2 long <sarcasm> years,
has never run a business, not even a dog grooming business, never
had to balance budget like a governor would have to, has no executive
experience like Bill Clinton, but oh yes.....he will change the country
just by oratory, lofty speeches and rhetoric.

Has he spelled out exactly how he intends to create higher paying jobs?
He wants to keep all 12 million illegals making low wages to compete with
American citizens! Obama is all platitudes.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:08 PM
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7. What ever you think he is.....
Obama is the cream of the crop.

Hillary is like dried powder.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:12 PM
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10. He's like is Logo
a big "0"

empty calories.

I see a lot of great speeches and a charismatic man. I see little else.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:21 PM
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16. Obama is the real deal and
hillary is the packaged textbook campaign built on sand with her red herring brigrade bringing up the rear.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:24 PM
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17. Obama appeared out of no place
and is the ultimate in packaging.

Hillary has been around for quite awhile, and we've known who she is for many years.

If any candidate in this race is running a textbook campaign it is your Mr. Obama.

Sheeeesh --He seems as vacuous to me as an ipod commercial.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:28 PM
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52. Yeah....Bill CLinton was the Man from Hope.....
but somehow, Bill's hope was so much better (impeachment)

Than Barack's "false" hope, as Hillary termed it in the debate.

Guess one has to call the Clintons to make sure we dream the right dreams, hey?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:12 PM
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11. Ya got some platitudes right here,
duggy, so I see you know all about 'em. And the hot air is steaming off yur post.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:12 PM
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39. OK then dismantle my POV's with your brilliant articulation
I have read many of your posts and I know you can do it.
But please point-by-point repudiation of my POV's, not
just a off-handed rejection without counter points.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:12 PM
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9. The other night you were touting Obama's awesome proposals
to help college students, particularly the $4,000.00 credit


Having the experience of putting several people through college

and knowing how little time they have to devote to a job while attending school,

I had a simple question for you. I asked you how much money a student would have to

make in order to get that credit? I'm still waiting for your answer:shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:21 PM
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15. Great Questions!
If a student earns under a certain amount of money, they file as a dependent on their parents' return. It is the parents, who are obviously supporting the student, who would get the credit.

Students who are not dependent on their parents (cause someone is supporting a student) and earn their own keep, would file their own tax returns.

I do not believe that there is a floor to earn the credit. There is only a limit range, i.e., $75,000 single/$150,000 married before the credit phases out.

As an Accountant, makes sense to me.

I believe that this is an excellent manner to facilitate actual dollars to pay tuition. Also, if the FASA form can be generated through some other source, that would be excellent as well. Something that he has suggested. X the Box on the 1040, and information on the return is automatically linked to FASA data base.



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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:28 PM
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22. "do not believe that there is a floor to earn the credit."
So a student who who works part time, makes around $6,000.00 and lives at home

will get a $4,000.00 credit?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:30 PM
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23. Why don't explain Hillary's Student tuition assistance proposal....?
Let's put them both on the table.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:39 PM
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25. They are close to the same I think
As President, Hillary will make college more affordable and accessible by:

Lowering the cost of college through a $3,500 tuition tax credit, enough to cover more than 50% of the cost of tuition at the average public institution for many families.
Increasing the Pell Grant.
Strengthening community colleges and training programs.
Improving college graduation rates.
Providing additional aid for people who do public service.
Simplifying student aid.
Providing clear information about the real cost of college well in advance to help families plan.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:50 PM
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30. You were the one touting the beauty of it, so I thought you knew all about it
:shrug:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:44 PM
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45. Experience doesn't matter. Didn't you get the memo? Just "hope" and things will "change"
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:16 PM
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13. he's certainly a floater. nt.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:02 PM
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33. lol...Great line
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:25 PM
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18. We've already been told he walks on water and now.....
he floats too.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:27 PM
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19. He's so, like, totally DREAMY.............
:sarcasm:


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:27 PM
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20. The Irony
Isn't it ironic that the supporters of the candidate who promises to unite us are doing their best to divide us...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:36 PM
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24. What is ironic is that your one sentence
is devoid of any meaningful anything.

Obama has not divided any body.....Just look at Iowa and New Hamsphire!

Than look at what this country has gone through in terms of politics. We are still back where we started. The original man from Hope didn't get the job done, and it is time he and his moved the fuck over. I've only got one life to live and time is running out.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:43 PM
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26. I Was Referring To His Supporters, Especially On The Net
Thanks for proving my point...
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:09 PM
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37. He was talking about you, Frenchie....
Every single post of yours is replete with bashing of another opponent.

Can't you just state the positives of your own candidate, without bashing another?

If not, WHY not?

The poster was right. The irony of a uniter through bi-partisanship, having supporters who can't get through one post, without slamming another candidate.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:46 PM
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48. ""Obama has not divided any body"
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:45 PM
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46. Gay-baiting, calling Hillary a racist over Katrina, calling out Krugman
You are onto something. The only overtures to unite Obama offers is to Republicans.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:45 PM
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47. Actually, it's the Clinton campaign that's launched the "divide campaign"
between the references to Obama as a drug-dealer, the madrassahs, shuck and jive, the kid, the MLK attacks, it's an obvious pattern of the Clintons launching a very divisive strategy. They have only themselves to blame for the consequences.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:28 PM
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21. Free mud!
Get yer Free Mud here!

Just $2300 a scoop!

--p!
Get used to it.
Get over it.
That's that.
Talk to the hand.
My girl is red hot,
Your girl ain't doodly-squat.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:45 PM
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27. Can You Do A Haiku
What is it 5-7-5

Obama is hot

Your girl Hillary is not

Feel my aura
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:43 PM
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44. I never thought about that
A wealth of riches
Three champions, three heroes
Still, we love the mud

Titans of our age
Barak, Hillary and John
Let's rise to their call

Division subtracts
Samson falls, shorn by our zeal
Will the roof cave in?

Outrage from trifles
Seven years in shock and awe
We lost our own wits

The stakes are too high
One America, or none
Let us foil the thieves

Shake off your hist'ry
The future is ours to shape
To forget to fear

Commit to the work
Of building the New City
Each hand for a stone

We had forgotten
But we will remember it --
Its name, Tomorrow.

--p!
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. Damn, gotta hand it to you that's a kick-ass rejoinder
We're gonna have to get a "DU poetry contest" section going with this.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:48 PM
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28. And apparently, a cheater.
Not a very promising start to a campaign or a candidacy.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:58 PM
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31. How Did She Cheat?
Prove it...

I can't imagine anything more fucked up than making shit up about people...If Hillary stole the election from Obama than Bill stole the election from Bush Pere and Dole...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:02 PM
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32. Compare the hand counted to the machine counted votes.
Somebody swapped her and Obama's optical scan votes. That's what triggered Kucinich's recount request.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:07 PM
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36. That Isn't Proof Of Anything
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 04:08 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
It just shows different precincts use different methods ...

I'll bet my dick you won't be here to apologize for libeling Hillary when your vile accusation proves to be baseless...

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:18 PM
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40. It's an indication. The proof will come after the investigation
if it comes, and it may not, as there are obviously a lot of factors Kucinich has no control of, such as custody of the ballots. In fact I'm not expecting this recount to differ from any other recent recount, though I hope it does.

Nevertheless, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this election was stolen, and you can keep your dick.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:24 PM
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42. Thanks For Letting Me Keep It
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 04:29 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
"if it comes, and it may not, as there are obviously a lot of factors Kucinich has no control of, such as custody of the ballots. In fact I'm not expecting this recount to differ from any other recent recount, though I hope it does.Nevertheless, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that this election was stolen, ..."



Thanks for admitting facts won't get in the way of you libeling anybody... Julius Streicher would have loved ya...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:49 PM
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29. So first you post a thread that Obama supporters should just drop it, then you post 2 more threads
rehashing the same stupid crap.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:09 PM
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38. I didn't rehash anything.....
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:03 PM
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34. Jes' like Jebus!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:20 PM
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41. He is a dignified man for sure!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:27 PM
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43. Coming soon: Obamites sprout wings while Clinton demons howl execrations like dogs.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:47 PM
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49. too bad you're not doing the same. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:42 PM
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51. If you only knew how I felt......
you'd find that I being hella good. Normally, I'd kick some ass, but for Barack, I'm as calm as the ocean. That's what makes him effective as a leader.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:30 PM
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53. Tell us about his health care reform plan
can we take a break from the high school politics and focus on the issues?
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