Will the attempt to Swiftboat Hillary Clinton on Race be successful?

[MethuenProgressive]

Poll question: Will the attempt to Swiftboat Hillary Clinton on Race be successful?

Will the Obama attempt to Swiftboat Clinton on Race be successful?

Kerry was strongest on his support of our military and his Vietnam record of heroism during - and after - his service. Karl Rove and his surrogates chose to attack him where he was strongest, and were successful.
One of the strongest aspects of the Clinton's record is the overwhelmingly positive relationship with the African American and other minority communities.

Poll question: Will Barack Obama be as successful in Swiftboating Hillary Clinton as Karl Rove was in Swiftboating John Kerry?

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[comradebillyboy]

22. gee didn't you see the clip of Jessie Jackson jr

doing just that on behalf of the Obama campaign with a gleeful Noron? if you didn't look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

that is the Obama campaign playing the race card, and it wasn't the first time and it won't be the last time

[MethuenProgressive]

55. A DUer with Obama's pic in their post says : "Disgusting lying ass piece of crap"

Typical Obama Supporter.

[dkf]

2. I don't agree that it is swiftboating

James Clyburn doesn't seem like an overly reactive person but if he is getting all upset then I think maybe the Clinton's are the ones shooting themselves in the foot.

[cloudythescribbler]

66. Guess what? You don't agree w/author that it's swiftboating? Your SOL as they say in French nt

[desi]

3. Nope

Two important reasons.

1- Remember the "War Room" Clinton had against the VRWC?

2- Betty Currie (Bill) and Maggie Williams (Hillary)

If you want to take it further look up Bill's cabinet to see how many African-Americans, and women, held cabinet level positions.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. Of course the *facts* are with her, but that didn't help Kerry.

A key to successful Swiftboating is to ignore "facts" and become outraged over twisted 'truths'.

[OHdem10]

4. I do not think so. If it does--that is the end of the Democratic

Party.

[sufrommich]

5. The Swiftboating is media driven ,

neither Clinton or Obama benefit from it. The republicans,however,no doubt will.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. I agree that in the end only Republicans benefit.

[comradebillyboy]

25. I think the Obama campain is up to their

necks in it Look at J.Jackson jr's little act with noron odonald on NBC last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

[sufrommich]

31. You have no idea whether or not the Obama

campaign sanctioned that. I highly doubt they did. Anymore than I believe the Clinton campaign sanctioned any racists remarks from their camp. This whole thing has become incredibly sad.

[comradebillyboy]

37. Jessie Jackson Jr is the co chair of the obama camaign for

pity sake. He is very clearly speaking on behalf of the Obama Campaign and he is very clearly smearing Clinton for not being sensitive enough to African Americans.

[stillrockin]

6. huh?

What's with the push poll?
:shrug:

[dkf]

29. Push Poll is right!

Typically Clintonian.

[Buzz Clik]

8. This is not swiftboating. Nice try, though.

[wyldwolf]

9. their racebaiting is, and always has been, stupid. Recall the fake outrage over the Biden remark?

Recall how Obamanation, with a straight face, insisted Joe Biden, a US Senator, was implying black people didn't take baths? Remember that? People are damn sick over this type of fake racial sensitivity. It cheapens the real struggle.

[sufrommich]

15. It also tries to evoke guilt as a tool to garner votes..

it implies that a vote against Obama is a vote for racism,which will backfire,whether it shows up in the polls or not.I guess you could make the same argument for the sexism charge in the Clinton campaign,except that an examination of some of the media comments towards her are more substantial than the racism charge.

Edited for mispelling.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. The media is trying to bait our party, and it's obviously working. We need to come together.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Bob Novak certainly was successful in baiting Barak.

BO made a rookie mistake taking that bait - hook, line, and sinker, too.

[indimuse]

40. I agree......but..

But still haven't heard a peep about JJJ's reprehensible display on National TV ...Not from Obama...? Maybe tomorrow's morning talk shows will bring it up and then he will have to respond! I wonder why he's allowing this shameful message of hate to continue?

[DURHAM D]

73. I think we can expect little Timmy to show the clip tomorrow

on MTP when Hillary is on. If he doesn't show it little Timmy tips his hand (GE's) on the continued plan of temporary king making.

I am actually surprised that the Obama camp has not tried to get out in front of this - do some pre-damage control. On the other hand, the corporate media has ignored it to this point and maybe they have signaled to Obama that they will continue to protect him. Who knows.

[indimuse]

77. yeah ...protect him until when?

:crazy:

[RC]

12. Why would they Swift Boat Hillary?

She is their pick.

[stillrockin]

14. ding, ding, ding!

[sufrommich]

18. Yes,and that has become so obvious in the MSM

I just don't know how anyone could overlook it.:eyes:

[MethuenProgressive]

21. A lack of experience and confidence in Obama to fight honestly, is my guess.

[Sparkly]

27. That really doesn't hold water anymore.

Sorry.

[Danger Mouse]

16. flamebait.

lame.

[Didereaux]

17. trying to do that would work in her favor...which would not deter the inexperienced from trying.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Here we go again: "Stop picking on Hillary. She's a lady victim!"

Lame. :crazy:

[MethuenProgressive]

20. No where in the OP is her gender mentioned. Nice SwiftBoat tactic by you, though!

And "lame" by the way, isn't a very intelligent choice of wording an insult.

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[ShortnFiery]

38. It's hilarious that of all entities HRC's campaign would complain about "dirty tricks"

They live for them and IMO have signed on KKKarl Rove as a trusted adviser. :crazy:

Psst! Regardless, I doubt that I'd shed any tears over it ... but Hillary will, if it serves her ambitions. :evilgrin:

[Mass]

23. No, because Obama is not doing it.

[sufrommich]

26. No, he's not.

Both Clinton and Obama are being forced to dance by events beyond their control at this point.The republicans are having a good hearty laugh.

[comradebillyboy]

28. yes he is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

[Ravy]

80. Thanks for posting that. That is horrible.

How would he know whether she cried about Katrina. She would be the only one to know that.

However, I *do* know *he* was using the Katrina issue to try and score cheap political points. Slimey.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

24. What's the swiftboat ad against H. Clinton? I didn't hear about it. nt

[comradebillyboy]

30. see Jessie Jackson jt on NBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

[Sarah Ibarruri]

41. Edwards' haircut, H. Clinton's tears, Obama's name.

Why are American elections so ridiculous? I think Americans should stop focusing on: Edwards' haircut, H. Clinton's tears, Obama's name. The elections in the U.S. are important to the richest and the poorest people because this is a nation of great wealth, a huge population, and a lot of military power, so it really baffles the hell out of me that the advisers of candidates focus on BULLSHIT like haircuts, names and tears. Isn't it time to F grow up? Is this a problem with the American character or what?

[Danger Mouse]

43. in a word, yes, it is a problem with the american character.

great men like james madison or abraham lincoln would not get elected president in today's america.
madison? he's too short.
lincoln? tall and funny looking.
america reaps what it sows.
i want us to elect someone good this time, one who can rebuild our wrecked country, but if we elect another asshole, frankly, then america deserves what said asshole proceeds to do to our country.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. I agree. If we elect the same old shit, it will be too late for our most suffering Americans

I hate the way election$$$$$$ are run in this country.

[Danger Mouse]

47. and many on du happily buy into the garbage.

do we WANT a republican to win? cause sometimes i feel like all this crap-flinging only helps them out.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

50. I don't want a Republican to win, no way nohow.

However, we all have our opinions. I think H. Clinton has a history of being bashed, trashed, and destroyed easily by the Repukes. Bad candidate (not to mention that she's trying to be and please the right wing, and that doesn't sit well in my book).

Obama is a nice guy, but up to now, I don't hear him screaming out what he's going to do to help the poor, disabled, the old and sick, poor children, working poor out of a job, people who obviously have tried for the American Dream and found out the American Dream was only for the rich.

And that's why I'm for the ONLY PERSON in this race that is telling the truth: JOHN EDWARDS.

Whoever the people pick for Dem nominee, I'll vote for because more than anything I HATE REPUBLICANS WITH ALL MY HEART AND PASSION. However, not all Democratic candidates are alike. Not by a long long shot.

[Danger Mouse]

51. I didn't say they were.

Edwards is my pick, too.
I don't like Obama OR Clinton.
I'd vote for either of them if they won the nom, though...we do need to stand together and make sure the bums don't capture the white house once again.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

54. I know. I was just talking. Awesome that you're for Edwards!!! nt

[DURHAM D]

74. So, you didn't actually watch the clip.

Or perhaps you could not comprehend.

Let me help - JJJr's remarks indicated that Hillary only becomes emotional when she has a bad hair day. Otherwise - she's got nothin'.

[jefferson_dem]

32. Stupid flamebait.

:thumbsdown:

[MethuenProgressive]

33. Opposing Swiftboating is "stupid"? Ask John Kerry about that.

[jefferson_dem]

35. The John Kerry that endorses Obama.

He would know. Thanks.

[MethuenProgressive]

46. Hopefully Kerry will have a positive impact on the way Obama campaigns.

We can always HOPE there'll be a CHANGE.

[cali]

36. Obama has done nothing of the sort

but you? You're peddling slime and lies.

[desi]

48. That is precisely why the Clintons will respond ASAP to the smears.

Kerry did not respond immediately and that was a huge mistake as he has admitted. The Clintons will not sit back and "hope" that the general public will see through the politics of personal destruction. They have been fighting those tactics from the right wing so they are well equipped to fight it from the left as well.

[populistdriven]

53. I am on board with it!

:rofl:

stupid flame bait exactly!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

56. "on board" Obama's Swiftboat attempt? Well, how nice for Him.

[populistdriven]

61. it was Sarcasm - this thread is stupid flame bait and you know it

who in their right mind would support swift-boating anyone?

[Colobo]

39. Obama attempt? What attempt?

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Of course his supporters will deny it. As did Bush's.

SSDC
(Same shit, different campaign.)

[Colobo]

44. No, you accusation is shit. If anything, the shit is coming from

your camp.

[MethuenProgressive]

60. "you accusation is shit" No, "you" support of Swiftboating another Democrat is "shit"

I always feel a little sick when lowering my debate technique to that of a lesser opponent.

[MethuenProgressive]

49. Will the attempt by ObamaNation to flame up this thread be successful and get it locked?

We'll see if their tactic is successful.

[Danger Mouse]

52. this thread is flamebait to begin with.

and i don't even like obama.

[jefferson_dem]

59. You're fooling nobody. If it is locked, it's because the OP itself is flame-bait.

Pathetic.

[ZinZen]

57. What pathetic flamebait

you are a good representive and picture of what the Clintons are. I will never vote for them again.

[leftofthedial]

58. no more successful than the attempt

to hold her accountable for her record has been

or to call her on her "experience" bluff

[MethuenProgressive]

62. Swiftboating Hillary Clinton on Race: Will be Successful 21%, Will Not Be Successful: 79%

Poll result (47 votes)
Yes, Swiftboating Hillary Clinton on Race will be successful. (10 votes, 21%)
No, Swiftboating Hillary Clinton on Race will not be successful. (37 votes, 79%)
Thanks for voting!

[pingzing58]

63. Because she isn't and Bill isn't. And their comments are being taken out of context by prominent Af

rican Americans. Last night on Keith Olbermann the African American columnist that frequents the show said that Hillary made a mistake by lecturing Blacks on Martin Luther King. However she spoke the truth. Johnson with the pressure of King and so many others in the entire U.S. not only in the South did the right thing. It takes a President to make such changes and it will take a Dem. president to resolve the illegal immigrant issue.

[MethuenProgressive]

64. Interesting post, thanks.

:kick:

[cloudythescribbler]

65. This poll is one of the most egregious examples of a loaded "poll" I've ever seen ...

and I have an MA in Sociology. The PRESUMPTION that Hillary is being 'swiftboated' isn't even given a chance to be questioned. To call it "flame bait" is to praise with faint damnation............

[LowerManhattanite]

67. Naked Agent Provacateurism...

...and distracting flamebait.

Giuliani's campaign operatives must be jealous. Other campaigns checks obviously ain't bouncing.

[martymar64]

68. Bullshit Push Poll

But it's no surprise coming from a Hillbot.

[vee]

69. What good will Hillary do by Swiftboating MLK, He's not even running?

I'd rather vote for MLK over Hillary though. Maybe that's it.

[jzodda]

70. I think we are throwing around the term swifboating far too liberally

Its like the way we use the word "hero" You see it thrown around so much these days that the word itself is cheapened. I don't see any swiftboating going on in this campaign YET. Wait till we have a nominee then we will see it for sure.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

71. Already backfiring on Obama

nt

[MethuenProgressive]

72. agreed

[jackson_dem]

75. Obama is killing his campaign just to win South Carolina. The backlash will come on Super Tuesday

[MethuenProgressive]

76. I think SC is much smarter than the Swiftboaters of Clinton think they are.

As charge after charge of racism is debunked, SC will see the pattern and reject it.

[MethuenProgressive]

78. Swiftboating Hillary Clinton on Race: Will be Successful 23%, Will Not Be Successful: 77%

Thanks for voting!

[vee]

79. Hillary's comments about MLK tells me that she has little regard for activism

Wasn't it the activist and protesters throughout the late 60 that got us
out of Vietnam, or was it Nixon, Hillary?

[Occam Bandage]

81. Nope. Because there exists no "Obama attempt."

[semperfi the 3rd]

82. What ?

Whats with the swift boating already ?   That is a Republican
thing .  It's done because Republicans have nothing to promote
them selves so they sling mud and lies ;  And the sad part is
that Americans swallow it hook line and sinker.  Every time
the fools have put a Republican in the WH and backed him up
with the congress and senate our country has been raped and
this time we may not recover.