Hillary panders to Hispanic voters in NV, compares issues to 'guacamole and chips.'

[geek tragedy]

Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill.

"We treat these problems as if one is guacamole and one is chips, when ... they both go together," she said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/13702902.html

[redqueen]

1. Reaching. (nt)

[rodeodance]

113. the IP leaped over Logic to give up a very stupid link.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Weak Sauce

You can do better...

[KittyWampus]

3. that comment doesn't work on quite a few levels.

[Mother Of Four]

4. ....

:wtf: .....



:banghead:

[Bluebear]

5. Recommending, because I can scarcely believe I am reading it

[redqueen]

9. Wha?

[Bluebear]

13. This incredible stretch of an OP, that is!

[redqueen]

16. I just don't understand the rec...

when I see crap like this rec'd I think "TROLL alert!"

I guess now I know there might be other explanations.

[Clintonista2]

74. I tend to rec OPs like this too. It shows the true credibility of the OPer

[redqueen]

88. Aha! NOW I get it.

:dunce:

Thanks.

[calico1]

6. You're right...

No other politician ever acts like a politician. :eyes:

[Colobo]

7. A very significant number of Latinos will not vote for Obama.

I'm Latino, a black one, and I know how it is... I KNOW how things are... many Latinos laugh at the idea of voting for a black president, including my parents.

[IndianaJones]

10. why? nt.

[Anouka]

24. Latinos feel no brotherhood with blacks?

or is there another reason why your parents won't vote for Obama?

[Catherine Vincent]

42. I agree.

A lot of hispanics are prejudiced against their black brothers and sisters. Imo, I think it has to do with a lot of them being dark skinned and grew up being called black or the n word from the lighter skinned hispanics, it may have had an affect on them. This is just my opinion from years of observation with hispanic acquaintances, of course.

[redqueen]

49. Oh my God...

I should REALLY just hide this fucking thread.

[Anouka]

79. Why? it happens. Ask Eva Longoria.

Her own blond sisters, called her the 'little brown ugly one'... in spanish no less.... because dark, because indian, because black is ugly.

Spanish.. white.. is beautiful.

things need to come out so that they're aired and taken care of properly.

[redqueen]

86. "A lot of _____" are "x"

Racist.

[Anouka]

90. A lot of women are premenstrual.

I can say it, because I resemble that remark. :) Right now, it's post menstrual, though.

If I had known about vitamins and yogurt in middle school and high school... a whole lot of pain and fears would have been avoided.

[redqueen]

91. Yeah... sorry...

"a lot of" probably does make that less unreasonable than some of the crap I'm reading now. I'm just seeing red and need to calm down.

Thanks.

[calico1]

111. You are correct.

I am almost 50 and have been hearing similar comments all my life from Hispanic relatives, neighbors, etc. NOT EVERYBODY, just to be clear to those who think we mean everybody. But enough to know that all isn't what a lot of people want to believe. My Dad's mom never cared for my Mom because she considered her inferior due to her skin tone and hair. That is the truth. I have no reason to lie about it since it's my own family. Fortunately, as I stated in another post, the attitudes, at least among my own family is changing with the younger generations.

[calico1]

69. I am Hispanic...

In my family, at least among a lot of the older generation most of them would never dream of voting for a Black candidate. Racism is something that a lot of people think is between Whites and non Whites but in fact it exists even among one group. And from one group of minorities to another.

My parents were both Puerto Rican. However, on my dad's side there are a number of lighter skinned people including a few blue eyed blonds, a red headed uncle I had and so on. On my mom's side most of them look like what most people think a Latino should look like: dark hair and eyes and light tan, olive skin. My grandmother on my Dad's side was very racist and for years could not stand my mother and called her my Dad's "black wife."

Also, still among the culture many consider it a "step up" to marry a White person and a "step down" to marry a Black person. It's a dirty little secret that many White people are unaware of or never think about because they only think of racism as something between Whites, Blacks, Lations and other races but not something between two minority races like Latino and Black or even within one race.

Thankfully, it is an attidute that I see improving with each generation.

[redqueen]

87. "even among one group. And from one group of minorities to another. "

No... individuals... not groups.

Jesus.

[calico1]

109. Yes, individuals within groups.

I stand corrected.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Oh my God. She did not.

[Muttocracy]

11. was that written ahead or spontaneous?

[MethuenProgressive]

51. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips."

From the OP's link.

[Muttocracy]

68. thanks

if this was a prepared speech, it might be tacky and/or pandering, but as a spontaneous remark in a restaurant, this is much ado about nothing

[KingFlorez]

12. She was not pandering

She was making an analogy

[TwilightGardener]

17. Will she change it to grits and collard greens in the Deep South?

[Bluebear]

20. Yes, if they are on the table in front of her as the chips & guac were in this instance

[redqueen]

21. That's a very offensive thing to say. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

25. How is it any different than using tortilla chips and guacamole as an analogy

in front of Hispanics?

[IndianaJones]

29. because they go together and were apparently present at the time. nt.

[redqueen]

30. Because she was in a Mexican restaurant, so the analogy was perfectly innocuous.

While what was concocted just there was nothing but typecasting speculation, and therefore, offensive.

[TwilightGardener]

35. Please. If she sat in a soul-food diner in Alabama, would she make the chips-guac analogy?

She panders, big time. Clintons are famous for it. "I ain't NOWAYS taarrrhhhhd!"

[Bluebear]

38. I'll take guacamole over your candidate's using anti-gay acts to pander for votes.

And she isn't even my candidate.

[redqueen]

43. I didn't want to bring up the other candidate's style of pandering. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

50. When Obama reaches the epic Clintonian level of pander to every ethnicity

and interest group, I'll concede that you have a point.

[Bluebear]

52. I have a point because he pandered at **my** expense, OK?

[TwilightGardener]

59. If you think so, then you are entitled to be upset.

[redqueen]

39. Right.

I've had enough. Good day.

[MethuenProgressive]

55. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips."

From the OP's link.

[redqueen]

60. Yup... I'm not looking for any and every excuse to ATTACK...

so I assumed the most reasonable explanation before even seeing it.

I wish more people would not look for malicious, ugly explanations for every fucking thing every candidate does.

[IndianaJones]

27. you don't dip collard greens in grits. nt.

[TwilightGardener]

32. LOL! I don't think the specific "go with" is the point.

[Anouka]

28. Word, weinerdog. it's funny because it's true

which makes it not funny at all.

[JVS]

31. Of course not. Grits mixed with greens would be heinous

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

44. Yes, that is true. I spent years living in the South, you'd think I would know

the appropriate food companions. Ham hocks and collard greens, maybe?

[redqueen]

Barbecue and potato salad.

:shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

56. Moon Pies and RC Cola.

[Anouka]

81. caramel cake and red pop

[amandabeech]

99. Grits and red-eye gravy.

As a Michigander, I can't stand it, but I sure saw enough of that combo when I lived in East Texas.

[Usrename]

108. 'cept'n when they're deep-fried in possum fat...

Ummmmm...yum!

[creeksneakers2]

97. She'd better not

That would be pandering. :sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

100. Well when I saw her in West Hollywood

she opened with "If this place gets any tighter we're gonna need some Astro Glide, ain't I right bitches?" then she gave a big SNAP.

I seen it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

78. yup and being culturally sensitive.

[William769]

14. I guess you should tell that to EL Mundo then.

[RoadRage]

15. And for her next speech in China Town...

She uses the same analogy, but substitutes Chips & Guac for "Chopsticks & a Rice Bowl"...

BLEECH!

[ronnykmarshall]

101. You left out when she's going to slant her eyes

and ask if anyone knows a good rickshaw repair shop.

Please note for you next dumb ass fake outrage.

[Bluebear]

18. She was eating at a Mexican restaurant, eating tortilla chips. Some "pander"

'Clinton and her busload of traveling press moved from there to the popular local Mexican restaurant Lindo Michoacan, where a "roundtable" that was actually square passed a microphone around to tell her people's concerns about the mortgage crisis and foreclosures. She took notes and munched on tortilla chips.

In broken English, one woman told Clinton how she wasn't making money as a broker anymore.

"I have no income at all," she said. "So how will I survive?"

Choking up with emotion, the woman said, "In my neighborhood, there are brand-new homes, but the value is nothing. I'm glad you are here so I can tell you, because you're going to be the president, I know."

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.

Summing it up at the end, Clinton said, "We've only talked to a few people, but each of them talk about some part of the problem we are confronting. This is a problem that is only going to get worse if we don't address it."

Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill.

"We treat these problems as if one is guacamole and one is chips, when ... they both go together," she said.'

[redqueen]

19. That's funny... I just ASSUMED it was at a Mexican restaurant...

and that the analogy just popped into her head.

People here are so nutso...

[Bluebear]

22. Nothing this season suprises me anymore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Here's A Paradox For Ya

The candidate who wants to unite us has the most divisive supporters on this board...

[calico1]

37. Ironic, isn't it? n/t

[Bluebear]

41. ---

[redqueen]

48. Every candidate has their loose cannon supporters.

It's wrong to broad-brush any candidate's supporters simply because some of them are divisive.

[calico1]

26. People jump at any and I mean ANY

opportunity to slam her. :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. It's A Metaphor

Nothing more...Nothing less...

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Well, they do.

She's right. But I don't know if that would be considered offensive, I'm not hispanic.

[redqueen]

33. I'm only half Hispanic.

But this ain't offensive at all. It's a tempest in a teapot, launched in deperation.

It's pretty pathetic.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. It's not offensive...it's just a stupid analogy

"It's like these here guacamole and chips, ya see..."

I wouldn't call it pandering. Just stylistically amateurish.

[MethuenProgressive]

57. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips."

From the OP's link

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. And?

What do you do when there's a basket or plate of tortilla chips in front of you.

She was in a Mexican restaurant. Should she have been slurping pho?

[oasis]

40. When Obama says he'll address "bread and butter" issues,he's pandering to white folk.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Not necessarily.

Haven't you had wheat bread? :P

[redqueen]

54. What does that mean?

[Occam Bandage]

63. Or would be, if "bread and butter" were not a stock phrase.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. so if a candidate talks to people with their food group vs the dominant cultures she is pandering,

way i see it, she is being culturally sensitive whereas most people assume cultural hegemony

[MethuenProgressive]

46. You took two lines from a positive story and spun it like Rush Limbaugh.

All you left out was "Ditto!"
:puke:

[William769]

47. Isn't that a tragedy?

[MethuenProgressive]

58. When I read "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips." I got hungry.

Her Haters, though, got horny.

[William769]

61. At least they are keeping Kleenex and KY in business!

:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

62. Speaking to a college campus: "You see, it's like marijuana and those atrocious clothes you wear."

[redqueen]

64. Oh for fuck's sake. (nt)

[Occam Bandage]

65. What, we can't poke fun at a silly-sounding statement?

[Muttocracy]

66. it also doesn't make sense?

one thing leading to another is different than things going together?

unless having guac makes you run out and buy chips or vice versa. hmmm. where does salsa fit into this? what's her position on guac on a tortilla?

OK, time to make lunch.

If this is the worst spontaneous campaign remark we deal with this year, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[BigDDem]

67. Reaching, big time

Maybe she should have said.....Go together like McClurkin and a closet.
Would Saint BO worshipers be happier with that?

[Occam Bandage]

72. Speaking of reaching...

[madmom]

71. I'm Italian, I love Mexican food, I eat in Mexican restaurants all the time,

as I'm sure there were people there who weren't of Spanish/Mexican dissent, how would that be pandering?

[Beacool]

73. Oh please, pure B.S.!!!!!!

The damn chips were in front of her and she was munching on them. That's why she made the analogy.

Come back when you actually have something to report and not just slinging mud.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

82. also i mean could people get stupider in their attacks. honestly, nothing makes me support hillary

more than this shit.

[redqueen]

92. "could people get stupider in their attacks"

I'm betting on YES.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

93. lol

:loveya:

[JAbuchan08]

114. Stage-craft. Stage craft. Stage craft.

Ethos and logos have failed her, so she is reduced to pathos.

[Nimrod2005]

75. Moron, WTF?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

76. how is that pandering? thats i just making an analogy

[Clintonista2]

80. K&R To expose the Hillhating OPer

The chips & Guacamole were right in front of her when she made the analogy.

[Nedsdag]

83. Oh, no she didn't!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jlake]

84. You are joking, right?

[jgraz]

85. Just be glad she didn't say Taco Salad and Chimichangas

:eyes:

[SIMPLYB1980]

89. This OP is sick.

[Barack_America]

94. Why is she so awkward with minorities?

She comes across as someone who has never spent time in multicultural environments, which we know is not the case. So why the hell is she so awkward with minorities? Is it her handlers? They've better get their shit together fast, because this awkwardness could easily be (mis)interpreted as covering up for racism.

[Joe the Revelator]

95. I'm just happy she was able to sit at a diner without crying....

She's showing improvement.

[BringBigDogBack]

96. Hahah

That's pretty funny. K&R'ed

[ronnykmarshall]

98. mmmmm!

That makes me hungry.

[ronnykmarshall]

102. This just IN!!

Los Angeles Fairfax District - Hillary Clinton visits jewish deli and has bowl of chicken soup!


DAMN THAT ANTI-SEMITIC COW!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

103. Clinton Supporter Panders to Hispanic Workers in L.A.

I'm having chicken pozole and chips for lunch.

There's NOTHING I won't do to help Hillary out!

[Clark2008]

104. B.S.

I'm a white girl of Irish origin and my husband's step-father and two of his close friends - all Hispanic/Latino - say I make the best guacomole they've ever had.

It's just a dip, for Pete's sake.

[killbotfactory]

105. That's just a silly analogy

no analogy is illegal

[jackson_dem]

106. What a reach Greek

[terrya]

107. This is the stupidest thing I've seen here today.

[ronnykmarshall]

110. Hillary Clinton speaks in Little Italy

New York City - While dining at Ricco's Pizza Village, Sen Hillary Clinton told a crowd, "You know, its-a like-a this-a pizza. If your-a pepperoni no-a good-a, you gotta throw-a the whole-a thing-a outta the window."

[Blaze Diem]

112. haaaaaaaaaa..& this one just sends the whole thread over the cliff..

You're comparing peperoni & guacamole..both delicious, but not in the same bite.

Cripe this is nuts!
peanuts..honey roasted or salted? Beer or cola?

[vee]

115. Look for her to start introducing herself as HillerRrRry (thats a rolling R)

[ellisonz]

116. She should get Mencia to open for her.

[sam kane]

117. Please. What a waste of time. n/t