Just wondering about that Hillary heckler episode....

[Blue State Bandit]

Has anybody seen the updates regarding the "Radio Show Stunt" at the Hillary Rally in NH?

They found the guys who did it, but it has opened up a few troubling questions.

Nick Gemelli, who is 21, and born at least a decade after “iron my shirts” was an anti-women’s rights slogan, didn’t have much of a rationale. “I just don’t think a woman should be President,” he said.

He couldn’t really say why, but he agreed that he was a health care voter, as the sticker on his carrying case implied. The “Hillary for President” sticker was a bit more of a puzzle.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/01/sexist-jamokes-disrupt-hillary.html

Update: MM notices something I noticed too. Why would Hillary ask for the lights to be turned on when they held up the sign? If they aren’t plants then she’s even cannier and quicker on her feet than I gave her credit for.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/07/video-the-obligatory-iron-my-shirt-post

I just think that in the interest of fair play, since this seems to be epicenter of the "Sexism in the Party" debate, that we get to the root of what actually occurred that day. You know, considering the Clinton staff's history of planting questions.

[maddiejoan]

1. wow

just wow.

[1corona4u]

2. Let it go.

IOW-get a life.

[Anouka]

5. Even if it this story is true -- and the guys were plants?

If Hillary is willing to fake an incident in order to make herself look like a victim, what else is she willing to do... and how far is she willing to go?

[1corona4u]

27. I'm really starting to think people are crazy...

namely those who see conspiracy in everything. I think it might be the first stages of mentall illness. I really do.

[KittyWampus]

33. It's not like any candidates have done things like fake phones calls from spouses etc

Oh, wait! They have.

[Anouka]

37. Whats worse is that the Clintons stole from Rudy, King of Slime

But Bill only got a click on his end, after claiming only Hillary had the number, so no telling who tried to call him.

[tekisui]

3. Sexism Squared.

:popcorn:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. In "the interest of fair play" you should delete this asinine post

[Blue State Bandit]

11. I'm just asking, if you don't like it....

go to myspace and flame the guy that did the deed, and ask if he was prompted?

http://www.myspace.com/adolfogonzalez


And if you think it's BS, check his recent friend comments.

[KennedyGuy]

21. I just looked..didn't see Hillary on his friends list

did see a big Ron Paul for pres post though

[flpoljunkie]

52. Here, here!

[ronnykmarshall]

6. We all was this coming.

[KennedyGuy]

7. You have GOT to be kidding..

you really should stay out of the right wing sites...

[ronnykmarshall]

13. What's the difference from DU?

[Bongo Prophet]

36. Plenty of difference, Ronny. Not enough, granted, but still.

At least we are TRYING to like you, eh?
Just quit dissing an entire online community because of a small percentage of assholes.
That happens aLOT with the hardcore "supporters" - they speak of DU in dismissive and 3rd person terms.
"Those DUers are going to EXPLODE when X wins"
this is quite different than "I wish there weren't so many jerks on DU, it's crazy in primary season."

Just something to think about between your next snarky comment.
Which I often find amusing, probably because we have similar type of humor. ;)

I don't have a candidate, but defend them against bs, as time allows...especially the racist, sexist and just plain cruel.
(I am holding off so I can be more objective, and to see how they run their campaigns, until my late primary in Tx.)
Unlike some, it is not just loyalty to one person, but to ideals of progressivism, democracy, civil discourse.
It is a different way to see things I guess.

I think quickly turning up the house lights is a good security measure, a good move strategically in order to show these asses for what they are, and to help clear them out while the cameras roll.
Pretty savvy, in my opinion.

[FrenchieCat]

8. It had a whiff of "timed" event to me.....

kind of like the "young people" that "flocked" to become Hillary's backdrop at her NH Victory speech.

I suspect it was contrived....but I have no proof beyond my BS meter, which has proven excellent to date.

[1corona4u]

28. Isn't Obama's entire campaign 'contrived'?

I think it is.....

[KittyWampus]

38. not his entire campaign. Although it is true to his demeanor. Edwards? Now THAT'S contrived

entirely. A center-right Senator pretends to be reborn as a populist progressive.

Both Obama and Edwards are fairly good actors.

At least Obama's persona squares with his actual record.

[1corona4u]

44. True....

but I can't get past the baby boomer thing with Obama. I'm just not going to vote this year. I don't think it will matter anyway. I think Obama has been chosen for us already.

[Nailzberg]

9. Highly doubtful it was plant. Two reasons.

If Hillary planted that d-bag and proof was discovered, her candidacy would be over. No doubt about it. That's juggling with nitro.

Second, stupid local radio shock jocks do crap like this all the time. Occam's Razor. A highly risky plant with huge potential blowback, or a stupid radio show stunt? I'll take the latter.

[KennedyGuy]

10. Orielly is doing this on his show tonight..

this is all the right wing rage...
no proof...
lots of right wingers wondering.."what -if"

[suston96]

12. Had to be a plant - fake tears - inexplicable poll reversals....gotta be something wrong...

She can't just win - cuz women just can't, that's why.

[HughMoran]

46. lol - there definitely has to be something wrong!!!111!!

Woman shouldn't even be allowed to run for president!!11!! :D

I get the :sarcasm: :D

[rodeodance]

14. OH FOR PETEY'S SAKE!! WHAT NEXT!!

[sniffa]

32. COULD YOU SPEAK UP? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

[Cameron27]

15. Did you see the replay on tv?

The room was dark, that's why she asked for the lights to be turned up. I watched it, and the...room...was...dark. The only reason pranksters need to do whatever the hell they do, is to get attention.

[KennedyGuy]

16. and they did it on 2003..what a planner Hill is...

and way lame in 2008, especially since it's the same guy doing it.

Several sources around the net identify the guy in the picture above holding up the "IRON MY SHIRT BITCH" sign at Augusta National in 2003 (mocking the NYT's heroine Martha Burk as she attempted to open the club to female members) as Rich Shertenlieb.

Rich Shertenlieb is now a co-star of the Toucher and Rich show, the ones who just tried to pull a similar stunt on Hillary, using the same orange sign. Except this time he sent the interns, and they were just lame and disruptive and pathetic.

If you bother checking out this cretin's page, note that he takes credit for "screwing with protesters at the Masters".

Anyway, same guy as in the original, still offering the same old fresh humor. He's even teaching it at DJ "Boot Camp", making him kind of guru of stereotypical corporate radio morning-zoo canned wocka-wocka zany madcap outrageousness
http://junkyardblog.net/archives/2008/01/it-was-amusing.php

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Always the forward thinker that Hillary.

So she's had this planned for YEARS!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

17. BREAKING! Here's another big scoop for you!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4022749&mesg_id=4022749

[MonkeyFunk]

22. but if Hillary were really behind it,

wouldn't they be robotic pterodactyls with friggin' lasers?

[Bongo Prophet]

43. That would be AWESOME! She woulda done it with style at least, Gaah!!

;)

[Blue State Bandit]

23. More Breaking News: It Happened!

The question I'm asking is who put them up to it? If it was a joke, fine, but it was still a plant. If it was KKKarl Rove, it was still happened, and if it was Hillary's staff, then my hat's of to ya. It was a master stroke. KKKarl would be proud.


http://www.myspace.com/adolfogonzalez

[sufrommich]

25. It was a radio station in Boston..a shock jock team

What part of that don't you understand?

[Anouka]

40. Somebody put them up to it: WHO?

what part of that don't you want answered?

[sufrommich]

47. What kind of convoluted question is that?

You don't think shock jocks are capable of thinking up a stunt like that without the evil hand of Hillary guiding them?Have you ever listened to shock jock radio? The whole premise is to ...um....shock.

[HughMoran]

53. Opie and Anthony told their listeners Menino died in a fiery car accident

The duo was fired in April 1998 from WAAF for an April Fool's Day prank involving Mayor Thomas Menino. Opie and Anthony told their listeners Menino died in a fiery car accident while vacationing solo in Florida

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

51. I am laughing because these nuts are always doing crazy stunts that get them in trouble

The following is a stunt Opie and Anthony did on a competing station to WBCN

The duo was fired in April 1998 from WAAF for an April Fool's Day prank involving Mayor Thomas Menino. Opie and Anthony told their listeners Menino died in a fiery car accident while vacationing solo in Florida

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Let me guess ..... astro glide?

Had to be. These is no way you could have pulled that out of your ass with just KY.

[1corona4u]

30. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahahahahaha

.....:rofl:

[Blue State Bandit]

35. There is one safeguard known generally to the wise

you don't care anyway what I say....

:shrug:

[1corona4u]

41. Yeah, well, I'm a fairly open minded person....

and unless I have a good, verifiable reason not to be, I usually give people the benefit of the doubt. But once you betray me, or lie to me, that's it. No second chances.

I have no reason to believe Hillary 'planted' this jack ass. None whatsoever.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. HERBED

~

[sufrommich]

18. Here's a link to the radio show and video

They are quite proud of themselves and are typical shock jocks.I seriously doubt they are in cahoots with the Clinton campaign.I don't think she's their type
http://www.wbcn.com/pages/1445861.php

Edit to add link

[Blue State Bandit]

29. Thank You for providing a substantive rebuttle....

And Thank You everybody else for showing me how simplistic this debate has become.

Mind you all I did not stoop to use the disgusting remarks slung at Senator Clinton.

[sufrommich]

39. Glad I could help.

And welcome to DU.:hi:

[Blue State Bandit]

49. Been here for a while. But thanks again.

It's a sea of sharks in here lately

[Lex]

19. weak analysis

nt

[SaveElmer]

24. The notion that progressives are better educated than the population in general...

Is belied by this post...

[KennedyGuy]

31. you might have to explain what "belied" means..

some of these guys are pretty basic.

[Didereaux]

34. What happened? Thats easym it backfired and worked in Clintons favor.

these things almost always get those effects, they help the target.

[Blue State Bandit]

42. There is one safeguard known generally to the wise

which is an advantage and security to all,

but especially to democracies as against despots.

What is it?

Distrust.


Demosthenes
Athens Greece
385-322bc

(Had to repost here I think AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH guy is still laughing to hard to read)

[MonkeyFunk]

45. Spouting

wild-assed speculation that has no basis in reality isn't wise. Ever.

[Blue State Bandit]

54. Excuse me, but thats my free speech your monkeying with.

Equaly... not so wise.

[MonkeyFunk]

59. How am I monkeying with your free speech?

You're free to post the stupidest lame-ass shit you can come up with. I'm free to call it stupid lame-ass shit.

[flpoljunkie]

50. In the interest of 'fair play,' you should have posted this part regarding the Hillary stickers!

He said he had just been given both and peeled them off. He said he had no connection to any campaign.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/01/sexist-jamokes-disrupt-hillary.html

[HughMoran]

55. Why be fair?

Posting inflammatory bullshit is more fun :D

[KennedyGuy]

56. thanks for pointing that out..

might I add ...this came from someone with an Obama avatar..indicating that not all Obama supporters are consumed with blind hatred for Hillary and are interested in fairness...

[Blue State Bandit]

57. Good point, but I have a hard time believing that.....

edit dupe

[Blue State Bandit]

58. Good point, but I have a hard time believing that.....

someone would sport the campaign sticker of the person they are tossing slurs at.

The link to the full article is in the original post, available for anyone to access.

[flpoljunkie]

60. Except the idiot said in the next sentence that someone had just given him the stickers!