Muslim Madrassa email about Obama (rec'd twice at work today)

[Windy]

This email is making the rounds fast and furiously right now. It very curious that I received the mail from anonymous sources twice today.. and so did many other members of my law firm. Frankly, the only one that it benefits is Clinton at this point in the race. She has shown that she is willing to use the madrassa lie to her benefit. You can flame away and I'm sure you will, but this is just beyond the pale.

by the way, I have responded with this:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

[jasmine621]

1. Looks like the MSM and Rovians are about to convince everyone that HC

campaign are behind this. Might even have a sacrificial lamb in the wings who will come forward and claim to be from the HRC campaign. They should be ready for this.

[Windy]

11. who else benefits? Sorry, but all evidence points to her. And no..obama needs to nip this himself.

People are too damn lazy to get the facts on their own. They have to be spoon fed. He needs to address this immediately. I'm going to telephone the campaign headquarters directly. This has got to stop!

[babylonsister]

28. That's already happened; 3 volunteers were asked to leave

the Clinton camp for sending this smear around.

[rinsd]

2. You do realize freepers are convinced that Obama is some Muslim Manuchurian candidate right?

That blaming anonymous (and certainly vile) emails on the Clinton campaign is as silly as the earlier threads claiming anti Clinton emails just had to have come from the Obama campaign.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Hillary's campaign has already been caught "passing these on"

so your post holds no water.

[jonnyblitz]

7. this email has been around long long before that incident.

I know you Obama twits love to make it sound like she started it.

[rinsd]

9. So where is the evidence that this is from the Clinton campaign?

Oh yeah, there isn't any.

As I recall, the people who passed that email around were dumped from the Clinton campaign.

[1corona4u]

18. Yeah, but I got it yesterday, and I am in no way connected with

the "Hillary campaign". Mine came from someone in good ole' Indiana. I sent it off to some Hispanic friends in LA. ;-)

[CyberPieHole]

12. Facts don't work on those cretins who prefer to blame Clinton for everything...

it is beyond their scope to think of anything beyond their little circle of illusions. Clinton must be to blame because Clinton is a danger to Obama's supremacy. Anyone not supporting Obama must be opposed to him because they are racists or Islam~o~phobes. The repugs would never send out such emails. No, only Clinton would.:eyes:

The OP is as logical as blaming Obama for sending out those emails so as to inspire PITY.

[Windy]

17. Sure they would.. but Clinton benefits right now and she's used it before.

Her campaigns past actions make her suspect. that is a FACT

[CyberPieHole]

21. She used it? when and where? Please advise...n/t

[aquart]

24. You are distorting the staff incident. Big time.

But there ain't no reason to expect anything else from the Obama supporters, is there. Poor, poor victims of the big bad world. You sure make a great argument for Mr. I'm a uniter not a divider Obama.

[CyberPieHole]

27. Thanks, aquart. I've been waiting for a reply from the poster...

but I guess one is not forthcoming. Obama's supporters don't do well with facts...it's "hopes" and "dreams" they respond to.

[Anouka]

16. Except that Hillary's people passed this info on -- twice -- they're not Freepers.

Do not trust the Clintons, Hillary or Bill.
Scorched earth.


But I do agree that this has to be nipped in the bud.
How to defeat the lie?

[rinsd]

19. If you receive it as a mass email, hit reply all with the debunking link like the OP did.

"Except that Hillary's people passed this info on -- twice -- they're not Freepers."

My point was sans evidence blaming the Clinton campaign is ridiculous regardless of past history.

If the OP has proof it was from the campaign let's hear it.

[Anouka]

20. People don't click links -- but copy and paste, with the link, yes.

I hate chain letters and forwards, and usually don't bother reading them, but this is getting ridiculous.

Hillary's campaign is culpable because of the actions of two separate campaign workers. Instead of denouncing it (as Obama denounced the paki bullshit against Hillary when one of his people put that shit out), what has she done since?

put out lies about Obama's record. And then cry on tv for sympathy.

Yes, the OP needs more evidence that this latest round has come from Hillary, but at this point I wouldn't put it past her and Bill.

[rinsd]

22. And those campaign workers were asked to leave.

Here's the campaign's response to the email

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/12/4/95938/1959/983#c983

..we investigated this and below is a response from Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle:

"There is no place in our campaign, or any campaign, for this kind of politics. A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it. Let me be clear: No one should be engaging in this. We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated."

NOTE: I'm the Clinton campaign's Internet Director

"And then cry on tv for sympathy"

Except she didn't cry. Her voice quivered slightly and her eyes barely glistened. But that doesn't stop Obama supporters from continuing to say she cried to get sympathy based on a question from a woman who voted for Obama.

Here's Jon Stewart making fun of the overwrought descriptions of the moment.

Around 8:25 in the video

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=147189&title=indecision-2008

[Anouka]

29. You're the Clinton campaign's Internet Director?

I do not understand what you meant, because of where you placed that note.

Anyway, you bring up a response from Patti Solis Doyle. But you don't bring up a response from Hillary herself. That's what I'm talking about. Hillary herself hasn't comment. I really need to find that quote from Obama where he personally came out against the aide who made the Paki Hillary statement, because I remember him talking about his youth and the friends he grew up with and why that aide's state was not cool to him. But I can't find it. :(


As for Marianne Pernold Young, the 60 year old photographer who claims to have teared up when she listened to Obama's speech, Seacost New Hampshire site

For our fifth Photo Gallery we proudly present a previously unpublished collection of scenes by Marianne Pernold-Young of Portsmouth. Born in Vienna, Marianne came to the USA at the age of ten. She began her professional photo career in 1972 as a Washington, DC freelancer and chronicled the campaign of President Jimmy Carter

Oh really.

Pernold Photo

CLIENTS:

* The American Enterprise Institute
* American Society of Association Executives
* Life Insurance Council
* Department of Labor publications
* Department of Agriculture publications
* 1977 Bicentennial Commission
* VISTA
* Reinforced Earth Construction Company
* Moton Institute of New York City
* Jimmy Carter's Campaign photographer in Washington, DC
* Commissioned portraits of politicians
* Presently - Freelancing (corporate, family & maternity portraits & scenics)

Oh really.

WSJ Wire Blog

The last question of the Q&A breakfast session came from Maryann Pernold, a 64-year-old undecided Democrat. Pernold said that as a woman “I know it’s hard to get out of the house and get ready,” she said. “Who does your hair?” ...

Could this be her Edmund Muskie moment? ...That won’t be the outcome if voters think like Pernold, who was satisfied with the answer. “She really loves us and wants us to succeed in the world,” she said. “I think she’s real now, there’s a person there.”

Allison Hampton, a retired teacher who was leaning toward voting for Barack Obama, says she’ll now go with Clinton. “When she broke up at the end, that came from the heart,” Hampton said. “She’s genuine and extremely intelligent.”

So WSJ reports TWO women who were leaning towards Barack Obama, who were swayed by Hillary's 'breaking up'; I don't believe for a second that Pernold-Young actually voted for Obama, any more than those NH women voters who claimed to be for Obama suddenly broke at the last moment to go with Hillary because she cried..... over her hair!

If you really are the Clinton's Internet Director, do you have any information about whether Pernold-Young worked in any capacity with the Clintons during Bill's Administration in the 90s?

[rinsd]

30. That was from the Kos post. I am not the Clinton campaign's internet director.

Here's info on Mrs. Peron Young

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4109322

I love how now she some kind of plant. You really are doing your supposed candidate a disservice.

And stop reading RW media like the WSJ blog.

[Anouka]

31. That article mentions nothing about her previous work for the Carter Admin.

She's painted as a freelance photographer, with nothing about her past beyond that. Why isn't her work with the Carter Administration -- work which she includes in her own website -- included?

That's why I ask: what else is there to know about this woman, that isn't being told?

Has she, or has she not, ever had any links with the Clinton Administration?


I do thank you for the clarification on the post.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. You know what I heard?

I heard Obama was a terrorist muslim who attends a racist Christian church and has Joe Lieberman as his mentor.

As a life-long democrat, I'm very concerned.

[Dawgs]

5. Good job, and always make sure you 'reply to all'.

I think a lot of us ignored these type of emails in 2004. We shouldn't in 2008.

[Nailzberg]

6. It was in my inbox yesterday, too.

But what I really enjoyed is the three "reply alls" also in my inbox, with well informed debunking. I didn't feel the need to respond, but what they hell, it's always fun to pile on, so I did.

[Zywiec]

8. Why would you open email from anonymous sources?

Have you ever heard of computer viruses? I never open anything unless I know the sender.

[Windy]

14. I work at a large law firm. It made it through our filters. We often get mail from individual

clients so its not unusual.

[Thrill]

10. Dirty Tricks by the Clintons

They're going to turn off a lot of Democrats with this crap

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. I don't think it's the Clinton supporters.

Too busy slurring John Kerry over his Vietnam service.

[aquart]

25. Building up a nice victim mythology there, aren't you?

To explain your upcoming losses? Internals not pretty?

[saracat]

13. Appalling. But the thing is that while" that "school was not a "madrassa"

at the end of the article it states that Barak admits in his book that he spent 2 years in a "Muslim" school and 2 years in a "Catholic" school. It sounds like this school was secular. What was the "Muslim" school? Frankly , I wouldn't give damn either way and consider Barak kind of secular though he is "Christian"( not necessarily a plus for me LOL!) but I was sort of curious by the articles ending comments.

[sunonmars]

23. still its going to damage unfortunately, no doubt about it

See how many peasants still think Bush walks on water and just how many still believe Iraq is behind 9/11 and you'll get my drift.

Besides this sort of shit will bring the retards out to vote against him, no doubt about it.

I worry about Obama's electibility for 4 reasons, if its not

A : The muddy shit fling about the muslim heritage
B : The Black racism
C : The lack of Mass experience in Foreign Policy

but most importantly

D : Skeletons in the cupboard, how much do we really know about him (Illinois is one of the most corrupt states ever), I've just been on ABC news blogs and people and Obama supporters are lapping up the dodgy land deal hook line and sinker. Hopefully its not true but the facts in the way they are writing it, are making it stink to high heaven.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/comments?type=story&id=4115565

Obamas campaign does have a problem though and its a fatal flaw.

If someone manages to prove or makes mud stick by implying anything even romotely looking corrupt or dodgy, his campaign is dead in the water and lets face it he comes from illinois one of the dirtiest corrupted states there is.

He's run an election campaign on change and being, pardon the expression "whiter than white". If that shine comes off, so does the wheels of his whole campaign.

You cannot preach changing the establishment and do the opposite. It would kill his campaign quicker than a knife in the heart and he knows it, its a risky campain he's running.

[Yael]

26. Do you know how many times I have had to defend him over this?

*sigh*