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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:05 AM
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Where is Obama?
http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2008/01/the-sexist-medi.html

What kind of progressive American leader would stand silent, supporting with the cold reserve of ambition the disgracefully sexist, blatantly anti-feminist attack on a well-respected woman of the same party, a political foe perhaps, but a national Democratic leader?

Barack Obama - so far.

Make no mistake, Obama's breakthrough says something wonderful about the state of racial politics in our nation - or perhaps the lack of racial politics - and the involvement of young people in politics. But his silence in the case of the cynical media lynching of Hillary Clinton by a national press corps obsessed with her gender is telling. And unless Barack Obama speaks out, his campaign's chilling acceptance of the gender bias stirred by our national media will also remind many of Ronald Reagan's acceptance of the race-baiting southern strategy - because if Obama accepts the presidency, at least in part, because of abject sexism, a brutal gender attack on a female rival - the most famous female Democrat in history - he will set feminism in our country back a generation.

There is no hope for John Edwards, of course. His cruel, stony reaction to the news that Senator Clinton got a little emotional during a New Hampshire diner visit was a window on the man's soul, a window into an empty room.

But Obama claims a mightier throne, one forged in liberal ideals of justice and equality and hope. He is the secular messiah of the Democratic Party, ordained by Oprah Winfrey as the chosen one and given to preaching about transcending petty politics. Yet there he was at the New Hampshire debate, throwing a scornful "compliment" at his rival when asked about Senator Clinton's "likability," one of the many sexist code words deployed against her in this race. "She's likable enough," he smirked, looking downward.

I think every woman reading this post knows exactly how Hillary Clinton felt in that moment.

Obama has benefited mightily from sexism in this campaign, and has remained silent. And that sexism is starting to be noticed, and commented on - even in places you don't expect it. John Cole, to say the least, is no Hillary Clinton fan but the gender-based attacks have gotten to him:

Quite frankly, I hate to say this, but I think what we are actually seeing is a double-standard here, and the feminists may be right. This is all about Hillary being a woman. John Edwards has been 150 times as angry the whole campaign, and has built his entire campaign around it. Howard Dean was angry, and people lapped it up. Here, Hillary isn’t really angry, just matter-of-fact and frustrated, and people are giving her shit.

I don’t want Hillary as President, but it sure looks to me like she isn’t getting a fair shake and is being subjected to a double standard. It’s bullshit.

Then there was Clinton's flash of anger in the same debate as the two men teamed up to bash her - she showed her anger, something male candidates (think McCain) do every debate, and was promptly accused of having a "meltdown." More people are beginning the see this media lynching as a negative story for Democrats of truly historic; here's Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly:

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It's ugly, the MoDo Syndrome - not something lefties believe exists on our side. But it's there. Taylor Marsh is right - the reaction to a little emotion, a little fire from the leading woman in American political history may be too much. Maybe we're not ready for a female president.

Hillary quite simply let them have it. Women everywhere know how she feels. There isn't one person in business or any level of professional life, even college, who hasn't had it happen to them. But having a woman show it in public? It's an emotional cleavage moment inspired by a flash in time when weaker men joined together to take their more formidable female adversary down through a round robin rough up.

You could see it in the fire and flash in her eyes.

This is a defining moment in American history. To see if we can grow up from "bitch" to "strength," while appreciating that an infuriated woman standing up for herself and her record is a sign of real heart, passion of conviction and determination. It all depends if America likes the look of feminine power when it's released through a flash of fire in a potential commander in chief's eye.

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Me either. At the start of the campaign, I didn't think the national media could possibly be successful in an anti-woman campaign against a Democrat. I thought surely that the left wouldn't allow it, that the rest of the Democratic field - avowed feminists all - would object, and object loudly. I may be proved wrong. And Barack Obama is silent.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:08 AM
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1. Aside from the absurdity of this OP, I actually WATCHED the CSPAN
clip of exactly how this exchange went between Edwards and the reporter who told him about it. It was on last night after I'd seen it completely distorted all over these boards. You are wrong. But you don't care about that, do you? The comment was absolutely NOTHING like has been reported/distorted here in either word or tone or mannerism. Carry on with your collective bullshit and enjoy.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 AM
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16. I agree.
It was an innocuous comment and, quite frankly, the Clinton camp hissyfit de jour over this nonsense is becoming absurd. Seriously, if they are verklempt at this benign discourse, it is clear she would collapse like a lawn chair in the general.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:31 AM
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The absurdity is that if you watch the whole exchange, he was actually
dismissing the incident and standing up for Hillary, basically telling the reporter to shove it, that this was a tough gig and he was tired too. The reporter was the one calling it a "muskie moment". Edwards took up for her.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:33 PM
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20. I just saw an interview on MSNBC by Andrea Mitchell.
She was launching some pretty bitchy questions at Edwards, and he was cool under fire. I am so impressed by the gentlemen's agreement between Edwards and Obama. They are respectful, talk differences, but never, ever talk sh*t about each other. It stands in stark contrast from that coming from the Clinton camp.

Edwards and Obama give me great hope for this party. Things are moving. Ron Paul supporters are acting up and making me laugh. The Republican candidates are mimicking ours in a good way. How strange is that?

Don't sweat the small stuff. Just go with the flow of this process because something's happening here.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:08 AM
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2. I think he's absolutely right,
but this is going to get flamed.

K&R
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:08 AM
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3. LOL. Are you REALLY sure that painting Clinton as a victim
is doing her any justice?
Let me tell you something, toots. She can hold her own.
She does not NEED rescuing by Obama OR by Edwards and to say that she does is pure sexism.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:10 AM
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5. It's not rescuing,
just as it wouldn't be rescuing to rally around Obama if racist tactics were used against him.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:10 AM
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4. So Obama is bad because he doesnt come out visciously defending clinton?
:eyes:
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:14 AM
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10. If Obama were attacked on racial grounds, Hillary and the rest would condemm it
why can't someone..any candidate..for once just say..
"ya know..I think criticizing Hillary on her policies is just fine..but attacking her like this is over the line"
you can say an awful lot with your silence..
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 AM
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13. Like I always say....
'silence is acceptance'.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 AM
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17. I didn't hear Hillary condemn Bob Kerrey or Mark Penn or her own husband
Why not?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:10 AM
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6. I really wish someone would cut off the supply of adjectives to campaign partisans...
...on all sides.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:11 AM
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7. As a woman I have one word for this.
Bullshit.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:12 AM
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8. Clinton is NOT a damsel-in-distress
who needs to be rescued by Dudley Do Right.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 AM
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11. Exactly.
Can she fend for herself or not? ridiculous.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:14 AM
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9. So, he's asked about her "Likeability," says shes "likeable enough" ...
and that's somehow a mortal sin? :shrug:

This entire piece is grasping at straws. If the only way you can detract from a candidate is to say "Why hasn't candidate X done Y?" you've already lost.

Why hasn't Hillary demanded the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush?! She must be some sort of conservative loon!!

Why hasn't Edwards promised the end of all poverty in America?! He doesn't really care about working people!

Why hasn't Obama excoriated Edwards for comments that were taken out of context? He's a sexist pig!!

And so it goes.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:16 AM
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12. Thanks for the hit piece
Obama behaved as a gentleman and didn't take advantage of a situation when he could have. Hillary Clinton is perfectly capable of taking care of herself, anyway. It's sexist to think she can't.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:31 AM
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18. Exactly
HRC took care of herself pretty well when Rick Lazio invaded her space in the 2000 NY Senate debate. She seemed unscathed during Bill's trials and tribulations. She's not the type who needs to be rescued.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 AM
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14. He's being aloof.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 AM
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15. This is a Clinton set-up
It makes me puke. Hillary Clinton not getting a fair shake? Come on.

Now, through her allies, she is using her gender to attack Edwards and Obama and to rally women around her. That's the new mantra.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:33 AM
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19. I don't understand, is the article expecting Obama to criticize Edwards?
Or the sexism in general?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 12:36 PM
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21. So Obama should be Hillary's knight in shining armour?
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 12:37 PM by Drunken Irishman
A tad sexist, no?
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