Even Bill Moyers IGNORES Edwards 2nd Place win yesterday!

[bvar22]

I NEVER miss Bill Moyers on Fri night.
I consider him one of the last American journalists, and a true patriot....
But I could NOT believe that in a 20 minute analysis of the Iowa caucus, he did NOT mention John Edwards ONCE.
In a 20 minute discussion with political pundit Kathleen Hall Jamieson, they analyzed Hillary's defeat, discussed Obama's popularity, and even discussed Huckabee's and Kucinich's "populism", but NOT ONE SINGLE mention of John Edwards.

They even criticized the CorpoMedia for "framing the election" for the American people, and yet they bought the frame of 2008 bring a horse race between Obama and Hillary ONLY.


I am disgusted. :(



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[laureloak]

1. Blackout by the corporate media.

Some democracy we got here!!!

Go Edwards!

[maximusveritas]

12. Yes, Moyers is clearly a corporate stooge

There's no other explanation for why he would ignore the greatest candidate since FDR.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. .

:spray:

[summerintx]

24. Bill Moyers did NOT ignore Edwards in tonight's broadcast. Go online...

and view the segment in which Moyers interviews Kucinich. Corporate stooge my ass! So tonight's episode of the journal focused on the way the media acts as gatekeeper to exclude voices from the debate. Moyers focused on those two the most, one from each party, and it oughta be clear that he picked two whose messages are being most marginalized by non-inclusion during the televised debates. Edwards has gotten a lot more opportunity to have his point of view aired in the debates than either Ron Paul or Kucinich. That made them the best exemplars of the thesis of tonight's program. But Moyers brings up Edwards several times.

Perhaps you didn't understand where Moyers was going with the program, but give the man a break! He's one of the good guys, one of the best.

[maximusveritas]

25. Thanks for pointing that out

My post was just a joke BTW. Probably should have put a sarcasm tag at the end of it. I like Moyers quite a bit.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Okay, was the show live? I know Moyers is not against Edwards. nt

[bvar22]

4. I believe that his show is taped.

Watch it yourself.
It replays on PBS, check for your local listing.

Like I said, I am a HUGE Moyers fan.
It is INEXPLICABLE that Edwards would NOT be mentioned in an 20 minute analysis of yesterday's caucus.

[Occam Bandage]

6. There's an easy explanation.

Edwards bet everything on Iowa and lost. He's virtually irrelevant to the outcome now.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. I think it may have been recorded before the outcome of Iowa.

I love Moyers' Journal. Best show around.

[sueh]

9. The discussion related to the outcome of the Iowa Caucas...

I, too, am puzzled as to why no mention of Edwards.

[Bicoastal]

3. First Dennis Kucinich, now Bill Moyers is thrown under the bus....

...is it possible that these two steadfast liberals sincerely believe that Edwards isn't the superstar you think he is?

No offense.

[bvar22]

15. I am actually a diehard Kucinich supporter.

I was overjoyed that an underfunded Populist did so well in the caucus.
Since I am an Issues and Policy voter, I naturally support Edwards as my 2nd choice and a possible challenger to the BIG MONEY Corporate sponsored candidates who offer no real change.

[Occam Bandage]

5. 2nd-place "win?" For Edwards, who built his campaign around an Iowa win, it was a loss.

[Clanfear]

7. I'm sorry to say...

but Edawds was a one trick pony. He had to win Iowa. He has no money, nor the infrastructure in place to be a viable candidate over the next month.

[balantz]

11. Deleted

[bvar22]

13. He has more money today than yesterday....

and some of it is mine. I will be sending more.
John Kerry had to mortgage his home to stay in the Primaries in 2004.

Go, John.
America has had enough of the Corporate puppets.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Blue_In_AK]

36. I sent him money, too, Bvar

The first time ever I've contributed directly to a presidential candidate. I just felt like I had to do it.

[balantz]

10. I watched it, and I can't fucking believe it!

The show was on, and my kid was in the room so I didn't get to watch it in depth, but I heard NO mention of Edwards, and I believe it was AFTER the Iowa Caucus.

[bvar22]

14. I know.. Go figure.

Moyers is the LAST person I would suspect has been "bought".

I am hoping that he has simply been blinded by the substanceless Media Hype of the Obama/Hillary "horserace", and somehow missed the Story of the Night....the come from behind 2nd Place finish for a Populist who was outspent by 10 times by the Corporate funded "Centrist" Republicrats.

:shrug:

Olberman last night....Moyers tonight....
MAN, its time to move to the woods and plant a garden.....

Oh wait, I did that last year.

[balantz]

16. Good for you, I wish I could do that. I'm poor in the city.

This media thing is really pissin' me off. And then all of these other candidates' pinworms are jumping in and trying to tell us it's all because Edwards is a loser is making me want to go fucking hit someone, and that is rare for me. Don't worry though, they shine their own darkness and suck me in only for a few moments. I can't believe some fucks sometimes!

[bvar22]

20. I hear ya.

Don't let the creeps get you down.
Even in Paradise, there are some mosquitoes.
Just swat them away.
There will always be some who watch cartoons and go for the shiney objects.
Such is America today.
<sigh>

[balantz]

21. Great advice!

:thumbsup:

[Blue_In_AK]

38. Bvar, Moyers did ask Dennis

why he suggested to his people in Iowa that they support Obama instead of Edwards, who would seem to have more in common with his populist message. I personally wasn't satisfied with Dennis's answer which seemed kind of mushy to me.

[Milo_Bloom]

17. It is because it REALLY IS A NON-STORY.

A candidate expected to lose a caucus actually losing a caucus is not a story.

How much in that 20 minute analysis did they mention Gravel? Richardson? Kucinich or any other candidate who didn't win and hasn't yet dropped out.

Hilary losing is a story because she was expected to win. Obama winnng is a story because he was expected to lose.

If Edwards had won, it would be a story, but losing by 8 points... it just ain't a story.

[bvar22]

22. When time is spent discussing the 1st and 3rd place,

it is only logical to mention 2nd place even if it was Cartman from South Park. :shrug:

Edwards beating Hillary is a HUGE story under any circumstances no matter HOW you spin it!

[Milo_Bloom]

23. Where is the "story"??

The expected winner, Clinton, not winning is a story.

The expected loser, Obama, winning is a story.

The person who did not win but squeeked into second place, 8 points behind the winner? That's a trivial pursuit footnote in 8 years, but not a news story.

[bvar22]

26. I'll make it easy since you are having so much difficulty:

See! The Guy way down at the bottom of this list of Corporate Bribery beat the person who is way up at the top.
THAT is a story.

I know you are a blind partisan, and won't let yourself SEE, but I DO thank you for kicking this thread.
Maybe someone will give it another recommend and it'll get on the front page.

Please respond with more inane partisan nonsense.

BTW: Your guy is right up there at the top of the list of most bought candidates.

[Milo_Bloom]

30. No more of a story than Ron Paul beating Guiliani

Ron Paul is further down on that list than Edwards and he "beat the crap" out of Guiliani and that isn't a story either.

No matter how much you whine about it, squeeking out a second place victory in a state where you practically lived the last 6 years just isn't a story and whether this ends up on the front page or not, won't make it story. Me bumping it, won't make it a story.


THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.

Iowa rejected John Edwards and his duplicity. That's all that happened and no one really cares, except for the few who bought the snake oil.

[bvar22]

37. Oh. My Bad. I see what the problem is.

I assumed that since this thread is about Bill Moyers broadcast tonight, and you have jumped in numerous times acting like an authority......well, I just assumed you watched the show....and you know what they say about assumptions.

In your post #30 titled "No more of a story than Ron Paul beating Guiliani"
where you say:

"Ron Paul is further down on that list than Edwards and he "beat the crap" out of Guiliani and that isn't a story either."--- Milo_Bloom, post #30

If you had actually watched the show that is the topic of this thread, you would have known that Ron Paul appeared on this very same show for an interview with Bill Moyers. Most of their conversation focused on why the MassMedia was conspiratorially silent about his good showing against the better funded Republican candidates.

WOW
:wow:

Walked into that one, didn't ya?

[Milo_Bloom]

39. And your point is??

The REASON is that it is not a story.

No conspiracy. No wacky tin foil hat theories.

I guess you didn't really pay attention to the answer in the story, did you?

Oh well, I guess that is why you are buying into conspiracy theories in the first place.

[bvar22]

42. Now there are TWO stories.

1) John Edwards, the underfunded Populist candidate, comes from behind to defeat the top corporate sponsored candate and finish 2nd in the Iowa Caucus.

2) The top Corporate Funded (Status Quo) candidates along with the Corporate Owned MassMedia spin furiously to discredit Edwards' and marginalize his campaign.

:)

[Milo_Bloom]

43. Only to the tin foil hat people.

The rest of the world greeted his 8 point down second place finish with the resounding 'so what' it deserved.

[bvar22]

48. You DO see the paradox, don't you?

The more you jump in this thread stamping your foot and insisting "There is no story...There is no story"....the stronger the story becomes.

*If there really WAS no story, there would be nothing for YOU to REACT to.

*If there really was no story, you would find something better to do.

*If there really was no story, you would simply go away and leave us to our harmless fantasies.

*If there really is no story, why are you working so hard and wasting so much time?

Your STRONG reaction, and determined CRUSADE to somehow FORCE this thing to go away defeats your original purpose. It only STRENGTHENS "The Story", and in fact becomes ANOTHER Story that reinforces the First Story.

Ain't THAT a bitch? :)

[Milo_Bloom]

49. No paradox, there really is no story.

A bumped post on a highly partisan website doesn't make a non-story anymore of a story than a post on a 9/11 conspiracy website gives credence to 9/11 conspiracy theories.

"Your STRONG reaction, and determined CRUSADE to somehow FORCE this thing to go away defeats your original purpose. It only STRENGTHENS "The Story", and in fact becomes ANOTHER Story that reinforces the First Story."

I don't have to "force" anything to go away, because the complaint from the tin foil hat crowd is that THERE IS NOTHING...So, how can I "make something go away" that doesn't exist????

I am just entertaining myself on the backs of the conspiracy theorists who think that the media failing to cover a non-story is some type of conspiracy against the losing candidate who didn't deserve news coverage for losing a caucus he was expected to lose.

[bvar22]

50. If there is nothing,

why are you working so hard? :shrug:

Thanks for the kicks!

[Milo_Bloom]

51. Because it is enteraining.

And I also think it is valuable for people to see the Edwards supporters for what they really are.

To see people flipping out about this non-story really exposes how out of touch with reality some people are, which is I guess why they decided to follow a candidate who is campaigning against his own career.

[bvar22]

52. WOW.

I was playing with you on this thread so people can see Obama supporters for what they really are.
You really have not done well.

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#2 On Edwards:
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#7 Senator Edwards is kinda giving the speech of his life right now.
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#10 Gosh! If Obama came in 1st and Clinton was 3rd, that means SOMEONE must have been 2nd!
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#11 Forget Iowa. I'm still behind Edwards
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[Milo_Bloom]

53. Sorry, but I am not an "Obama Supporter"

Maybe you should research a little more carefully in the future, but again, you are the one trying to push this non-story as news, so I guess that answers that.

And as I pointed out to you before, posts on a partisan board have about as much validity as conspiracy posts on a 9/11 conspiracy board.

In short, just because some fringe elements of a partisan board think something is a news story, doesn't make it a news story, but it does make it entertaining for those of us who really watch and understand what IS news.

[bvar22]

56. Oh yes.

Brittany got loaded = NEWS

The underfunded/underdog/outspent Populist candidate beats the best funded Corporate "Top Tier"/Poll Leading candidate in the Iowa Caucus = NOT NEWS.

Got it now.
Thanks to all of you who "understand what IS news".
:hi:

[Milo_Bloom]

57. News is what people find INTERESTING.

People will tune in for Britney, thus, news.


A candidate expected to lose a caucus losing = not news.

[bvar22]

28. Special Thanks to you!

Without your kicks, this would not have made the front page.
:loveya:

[Milo_Bloom]

31. You're welcome.

I am glad that people can see the tin foil hate theories some of the Edwards supporters are running with these days.

[creeksneakers2]

41. If they talked about Edwards

they would have to mention that Edwards is no longer significant.

[file83]

46. Yes, but it is a story because he beat Hillary who was expected to win.

It makes no sense not to even mention Edwards. If Hillary losing was the "big story", don't you think it behooves the reporter/journalist to at least mention WHO BEAT HER?

[Milo_Bloom]

54. Obama beat her.

That is really all that matters in the news angle of this story.

[2rth2pwr]

18. Moyers had to be taped, his corporate masters can't risk

him going off script live.

[HughMoran]

27. He just doesn't excite people for some reason

The media ignores him because he lumps himself together with Obama. He just doesn't seem to have the fire in the belly for some reason. He's more energized than Thompson, but he does suffer from the same seeming lack of fire - fair or not - I think it's just a personality and voice projection issue.

[Forkboy]

29. I'm gonna give Moyers the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[bvar22]

33. I REALLY want to also.

Like I posted above, I watch his show religiously.
I have since he hosted NOW.
He has always broadcast a populist message.
He has not been shy discussing the Class War and naming Democrats who pandered to the rich.
I tuned in tonight expecting him to at least cover the one candidate (Top Tier) who is at least talking like a Populist.....but no. :shrug:

I KNOW he was forced to leave NOW when TPTB downsized it to 30 mins, so I suspect that there IS still some establishment pressure.

The dance around NOT saying Edwards name was just so obvious.
I am searching for an alternate explanation.

[Forkboy]

34. I'll have to see it then before commenting further.

Moyers is too good for him to do something like this purposely, you would hope (these days who knows anymore?). It's always possible. x(

[balantz]

35. I haven't found a good explanation yet as well for Moyers' obvious

lack of any recognition of Edwards' placing second in Iowa. Something, anything should have been said. But there was not ONE single word mentioned. There IS no excuse.

[file83]

47. It's very bad reporting - plain and simple.

Which is very uncharacteristic of Moyers. That's what makes it so suspicious.

[balantz]

32. Kick!

[athena]

40. Moyers's show is not a news show.

As you should know, he usually does two or three segments within each hour-long show, focusing in each segment on a specific person or issue. Usually he picks someone the viewer would not have had an opportunity to see otherwise. Kucinich and Paul have been excluded from this weekend's debates, so Moyers, the great man that he is, gave them each a long segment in his show. You and the rest of the country will get to see plenty of Edwards this weekend at the debate.

Furthermore, it's not like Edwards was never mentioned. Moyers asked Kucinich quite insistently about Edwards, even quoting him when Kucinich didn't respond clearly. He may also have mentioned him earlier, though I'm not sure, since I missed the first few minutes.

(You know the Edwards supporters are getting awfully desperate when they start criticizing Bill Moyers!)

I don't mind Edwards, by the way. I'm glad he came in second. I just mind the tactics of his supporters on DU.

[bvar22]

44. I watched the entire show.

During a 20 minute analysis of the Iowa Caucus, Edwards name was NOT mentiond ONCE....Not Once!

During the last segment of the show where Moyers was interviewing Kucinich, he specifically asked why Dennis chose to support Obama over a more Progressive candidate, John Edwards. Here, he did say Edwards name (with some visible reluctance) but NOT in the context of his excellent 2nd Place performance in the Iowa Caucus. This is the ONLY time where Edwards name was mentioned, and ONLY in the context of how it related to Kucinich.

Those ARE the facts.
If you don't like the FACTS, well, thats your choice.

[balantz]

45. Kick again.

For all those who have depended on Moyers to be a fair journalist.

[robbedvoter]

55. What's a second place win????? Moyers and I want to know.