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I was just saying... Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:50 PM
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Will Obama finally be vetted now that he's won the 'caucus' in Iowa?
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:58 PM by I was just saying...
I might actually listen to him, and would have before now, save for the fluff pieces. Let the
media scrutinize his brief time in the Senate, and his Illinois state senate, er uh time.

Style points only count for 15 points in my book. This point in history reminds of the film, The Candidate' with Robert Redford. He won, and in a state of confusion, as his handlers left the room, he's desperate / panicking, but earnestly says "what now"? Indeed.

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:51 PM
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1. It would be racist
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:54 PM
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4. Until after the nomination, that is. Then it will be responsible journalism
to Swiftboat him.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:53 PM
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2. He's now the frontrunner...
he will be subjected to the scrutiny that comes with that position. Let's see what he does with it.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:53 PM
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3. Obama has not had to answer any questions about his record. The media has not examined him at all
He's been given a free pass.

Remember the media crucified Sen. Clinton for her answer on the driver's licenses for illegals in that one debate. The very next debate, Obama gives virtually the same answer, and the media gives him a free pass.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:55 PM
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14. J. I concur and unless the MSM are all mediawhores they will
examine him and his records. Whomever said it be racist to investigate the man is so out of line. What, just because he is black means he is not held accountable for anything that would disqualify him to be president. What? Are we going to have another George W. Bush in the White House? Goodness. The media sold that bill of goods to the soundbite public that bush did not need to be the smartest man in the room because he was so likable. Seems this is bush redux again with obama.

I only hope the public will this time insure the next president be the smartest person in the room or at least one of the smartest and knows way more then bush. I consider HRC such a person that has one up on obama and that is her aptitude. Obama seems lost at times just like bush when he talks in a discussion, but when he is standing before a group he is a silver tongued devil.....

Maybe the public will be fooled again. Who the hell knows, I hope not, but if that happens this country is on a downward path.

Oh do not get me wrong, I congratulate obama on his win but now the race has begun in earnest and we will see if he can stand the test in the other 49 states. I support HRC and will do so till the last dog dies and I still say by either feb 19 the earliest or march 4th latest HRC will have a majority of delegates to be the nominee.....

Ben David
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:55 PM
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5. not much to vet really. probably no scandal, all he is is a democrat...
who votes democratic, who made an anti-war speech. he's got a good but short record. this is what is good about him.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:58 PM
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6. He's been vetted.
His life is pretty much an open book. The only things anybody has to use against him is drug use that he admitted to when he was in high school, and things that people have made up.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:58 PM
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7. No - tonight Chris on MSNBC said "but we can't be sure she'll stay dead" (paraphrased) -the game is
still stop Hillary as far as the rich and corporate are concerned. Only after she is really, truly, dead, will the media focus on taking Obama down so McCain can win.

Goog grief, this was the plan a year ago, but they hated the idea of pushing Edwards. Obama was god-send for the insurance company exec's that discussed this with me. Only thing new is the replacing of the business exec Mitt with McCain in the current conversation.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:29 PM
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11. So the insurance execs love Obama?
Surprise, surprise!

Change? What change?

Maybe Obama should hire those over 50 guys the Who to re-record, "We won't be fooled again!"

But then, that *'s song.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:33 PM
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12. the code is "he is someone we can work with" :-)
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:43 PM
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13. I've heard that myself in certain contexts.
It doesn't bode well for those who really need help.

Edwards has tried to call him on it, but the media doesn't pick it up.

I wonder why?

You know what these exec types are like. I know what they're like. Edwards knows what they're like.

Do you think Obama knows, or is he just that cynical or just that Republican?

Personally, I think that any head of the Harvard Law Review was co-opted a long time ago if they're anything like the ones at their rival institutions. Look at Bill and Hill who went to Yale (even though they weren't on the Law Journal).

I don't think that Edwards would have been too comfortable at either of those fine leadership-producing institutions.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:45 AM
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15. :-) I had the Harvard students cross register at my school (MIT) and found them
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 08:46 AM by papau
not as "left", or as idealistic, or as math/science competent as the MIT students - but they were amazingly articulate and political in the "practical -get something done" approach - and could drop a 20 page on any topic, despite lack of knowledge or deep thought, in a week. Obama fits that 50 year old stereotype.

I can easily see - indeed expect - that if elected he will drop the "Medicare like alternative policy" structure in both Hillary's and Edwards' proposals - and currently in his copy of those proposals - thus killing the road to single payer forever since it will be passed this time - and we will end up with Hillary's 93 idea of group insurance rates for everyone since this time the ins industry will see it as the best defense to single payer.

There was so much more that could have been expected of Edwards - and almost as much more that could be expected of Hillary. But it is like the Bradblog and friends pushing paper only and killing universal election audits to do so - each generation has to make its own mistakes.

I know how the GOP will attack him once it is certain he is the nominee - and while his prior races show he can play down and dirty, I am not sure that Obama can be clever enough to withstand the smears and misinformation, unlike how I was sure Edwards and especially Hillary could. Obama has never had a tough opponent - after losing to Bobby in his first race, he won state rep by using legal tricks to keep his strongest opponent off the ballot.

If he gets in he will be a fine president - but the disappearing from the poll margin - the effect that Harold Ford and Douglas Wilder found - due to whites that only say they will vote for a black man but then do not - is likely to be still around. It may be a more nervous Nov this year that I had hoped for. The media - Tweety and Tim at MSNBC and NBC - are already framing the results as 2/3rds of the party hate Hillary (it would seem the same logic would apply to Edwards but they do not see him as a threat to the GOP).

The 2/5 contests that decide this thing will be Obama's to lose, since he will get the wins in NH and SC now plus even more media support (Tonight Show's Jay leno did his part last night - saying that Bill did his best for Hillary by doing a 3 way so she could get at least 2 votes in the caucus).
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:08 PM
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8. Beyond the platitudes - "where's the beef?" n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:17 PM
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9. Bill McKay still would've been a better Senator than Crocker Jarmon
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:25 PM
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10. Dupe n/t
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:25 PM by Hippo_Tron
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