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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:51 AM
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Article about the DLC -- The Industrial Authoritarians
This article outlines reason 107 of what's wrong with the DLC, and why this election is so important, in terms of framing what the hell the Democratic Party is going to stand for and who it will represent.

(If it's been posted as a thread before, I apologize. But such information is important to keep in mind.)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-w-smith/the-trouble-with-the-dlc_b_60210.html

The Trouble with the DLC

By Glen W. Smith\

Excerpts:

Why are Harold Ford and others from the more paternalistic and condescending quarters of the Democratic Party so keen on discrediting the rising progressive movement? What have been the consequences of their obsession with "the middle"? Most importantly, how have the Tory Democrats managed to bury the expression of deep progressive values, and what should the progressive movement do about it?

For three decades, advocates of "centrism" have used their money to monopolize the Democratic message and leave the progressive base out in the cold, not spoken to. Since its founding in 1985, the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) has been leading this effort. How did they pull this off? Before we get into that, let's call them what they are. "Centrist" implies conciliation, moderation, compromise. It reinforces the mistaken idea that our political life falls along a neat, linear scale from left to right. That metaphor makes the center a pretty good and safe place to be. And that it certainly is not.

The plutocratic Democrats should be referred to not as centrists, but as industrial authoritarians. Their movement was born after the Nixon re-election in 1972. They blamed that landslide on Democratic Party rules changes that audaciously sought to include Americans formerly excluded from the back rooms of power. They fronted for older corporate interests -- oil and gas, finance, insurance. The are really 19th-Century paternalists who would save us from ourselves by keeping us far from the plantation's Big House....

...Progressive base voters, especially in African-American, Latino, and other disenfranchised communities, were abandoned when it came to Democrats voicing their values. Democrats could appeal to voters in the so-called middle with technocratic policies, promises of competence, and wonkish mumbo jumbo that either: 1) avoided values altogether; 2) Or, appealed outright to the authoritarian, "strict father" side of white suburban voters. Crime is a great example. The industrial authoritarians promised super-heroic crime-fighting sprees that would even embarrass Republicans. Forget the root causes of crime, like inescapable poverty, illness, crumbling schools, the disappearance of hope....

....(But)The rise of the progressive movement in the early years of the 21st Century challenges this monopoly. The movement is listening to progressives of all kinds and colors, and it's driving new messages of hope between and right through election cycles. a funny thing is happening. The core values of progressives are appealing to Americans of all kinds. It turns out that many of those so-called swing voters share these core values. They were longing to hear them expressed just as those formerly identified as the core progressive base were.

Hence the DLC's vicious attempts to discredit the movement. And that's what they want. They don't seek to win an argument over policy. They seek to destroy the credibility of their opponents and restore their message monopoly. If they don't, they may face the creation of truly universal health care, for instance. And then what in the world will their friends in the insurance industry do? Why, they won't have the money to keep the industrial authoritarians in power.



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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:54 AM
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1. I think the DLC would be great-
If they would only let a couple of Democrats join.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:01 PM
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4. Some have -- But they "betrayed" the DLC by actually becoming Democrats
Howard Dean is a good example. A moderate guy who was a DLC guy, but was branded by the DLC as "too far left" once he actually deviated from their rigid message by opposing the GOP/DLC War On Iraq and expressing otehr moderatly liberal positions and views.

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:05 PM
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5. Too true-
I do have respect for someone that sees them for what they are. Like, someone who was once in the mafia is best suited to tell you how the mafia works, and he is best suited to combat the mafia.

(Don't think I don't realize I said 'mafia' three times in one sentence.)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:14 PM
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9. Tell that to Al Gore, who was one of the DLC's founding fathers
I'm sure he'd roll his eyes, Rocky!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:20 PM
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12. Yeah, even good people make mistakes.
I'm a leftist Progressive, no way those people will ever convince me that the middle is where the action is.

And as always, great to see ya you ol' Snake!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:56 PM
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18. "I'm a leftist Progressive"
I was brought up to be that way, too, Rocky, and in many ways I like to think that I fit that bill, too.

Having said that, there are some things I don't like about the far left, the far right, AND the middle. IOW, I think most people can be fine Democrats without having to subscribe to one, and only one, set of values. There are good parts and bad parts about almost anything. The trick is to pick the best parts from each area that makes you the best Democrat you can be.

Good seeing you, too, you ol' rock!
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:07 PM
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21. As always-
These two ol' boys find common ground.:toast:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:20 PM
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25. yeah baby
and I also think that many of us would find that we have more in common if we were to meet in real life than what appears on this forum, lol.

Common ground is where it's at, as long as that ground is firm and good ground. :toast:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:00 PM
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19. What is called "left" today is what the middle used to be
The middle is where the action is. That's way different than the so-called "center" represented by the DLC and the Republicans, which is actually the right wing.

Policies, values and behavior that are considered commonplace today would have been considered outrageous by the average person in the middle 35 years ago.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:09 PM
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23. My thoughts exactly-
Most Americans walking around today are Progressives, without even realizing it.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:13 PM
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26. Left, right, and center, are
terms politicos like to use that don't refer in any way to how the real world works. Use of these terms actually hurt progressives. It is a metophorical terms, a mental frame that controls how you think, when you use the term. "Left," "center," "right," "common ground," "out there," "lunatic fringe," "extremist," etc. indicate points on a finite line on the political spectrum. Glen W. Smith has done some excellent work for the Rockridge Institute," and I'm reading Smith's "the Politics of Deceit." He wrote one of my favorite articles from the past year: Summers of Love http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/rockridge/summers-of-love

Instead of speaking in terms of "left," "center," or "right," I prefer the idea of biconceptualism, in which the world is made up of progressives, conservatives, partial progressives, and partial conservatives: http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/no-center-no-centrists
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BEZERKO Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:16 PM
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27. Sorry, I commented while my wife's username was still logged on:
Left, right, and center, are terms politicos like to use that don't refer in any way to how the real world works. Use of these terms actually hurt progressives. It is a metophorical terms, a mental frame that controls how you think, when you use the term. "Left," "center," "right," "common ground," "out there," "lunatic fringe," "extremist," etc. indicate points on a finite line on the political spectrum. Glen W. Smith has done some excellent work for the Rockridge Institute," and I'm reading Smith's "the Politics of Deceit." He wrote one of my favorite articles from the past year: Summers of Love http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/rockridge/su...

Instead of speaking in terms of "left," "center," or "right," I prefer the idea of biconceptualism, in which the world is made up of progressives, conservatives, partial progressives, and partial conservatives: http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/no-ce...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:19 PM
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28. Interesting articles.
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:19 PM by ClarkUSA
Good thoughtful stuff... thanks.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:30 PM
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33. And red states, and blue states?
Just kidding. I'll talk a look, I'm always open to new ways of looking at things. Thanks for the info.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:32 PM
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15. I remember at the time the mentality that formed the DLC
Like many things, there was some legitimacy in it. The Democratic Party had aquired an image that seemed out of step in some ways.

But they subsequently went wayyyyyy overboard in jettisoning the baby with the bathwater.

Rather than trying to build a Larger Coalition, the DLC basically said the Demcrats had to distance itself from those liberals, those hippies, Black people, women's libbers and other distasteful minorities, and put them damn unions down because they had gotten too uppity.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:00 PM
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20. I agree parts of the premise are bad
although I don't agree with you that Democrats from the DLC ever suggested that Democrats should distance themselves from "liberals, those hippies, Black people, women's libbers and other distasteful minorities, and put them damn unions down because they had gotten too uppity."

If the DLC ever did that, they wouldn't last a minute, not with one Democrat. They might have suggested that the way to win is to open the umbrella wide enough for more centrist views to fit under it, but they certainly wouldn't prescribe rightwing elitist tactics to do it.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:09 PM
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22. I overstated a bit....but that was the jist of it
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 01:09 PM by Armstead
I was putting it too crudely and overgeneralized, I realize.

However, I remember at the time all of the debates over how much visibility these "divisive special interests" should have at conventions and in overall Democratic politics.

The basic problem was that this "centrist" movement was trying to play a defensiove game against the right-wing, and went wayyyyyy to far to the right, instead of building a strong and large Liberal Coalition in direct opposition to Reaganism and the Fundies and the Corporate Oligarchs.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:17 PM
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24. Don't we all
overstate things from time to time. lol

Anyway, in this instance, it's the sentiment that counts, and I don't think too many people will disagree with your sentiment one bit, especially as you stated it just now. :thumbsup:
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:35 PM
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29. I can't find the Al From quote
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:36 PM by VarnettaTuckpocket
But I do remember him saying that we should change the name of the Democratic party to the Centrist party, explaining that unions and civil rights were no longer mainstream, if they'd ever been mainstream. So that would certainly be a clear suggestion that the Dems distance themselves from unions and those pesky minorities. The desire to change the name to the Centrist party also suggests he's more interested in hogging the umbrella than sharing it.
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Midwestern Democrat Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:36 PM
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31. The DLC ultimately failed at its only reason for existing.
The DLC was supposed to be the "Just win, baby" wing of the party. They were supposed to be the clear-headed pragmatists who - if not passionately adored by liberals - knew how to win. And, under their stewardship, the Democratic Party was reduced to its weakest state since before the Great Depression. In the wake of the Dukakis defeat in '88, they positioned themselves as our saviors-in-waiting. Fast forward 12 years - with the GOP now controlling everything (the presidency, the U.S. Senate, the U.S. House, governorships, state legislatures)- and the 1989 status quo (in which we controlled everything except the presidency) that the DLC was going to "save" us from suddenly looked very attractive in comparison - it certainly did to me.

Thus, the DLC has been increasingly, and deservingly, questioned by two groups of Democrats: liberals and populists upset with many of their policy positions and victory-minded pragmatists (many of whom were once in the DLC's corner) who aren't impressed by their scorecard. To apply Bill Clinton's 1992 quote about the GOP to the DLC, "They had their chance and it didn't work. It's time for a change."
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:56 AM
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2. Perhaps the most telling quote on the DLC comes from founder Al From:
Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL-THEY WORK FOR THE POWERFUL NOT THE PEOPLE!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:00 PM
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3. I For One Am A Liberal & Am Sick Of Being Sold Out By The DLC!!!
But my PROBLEM is that I don't know WHAT to do to change it! I don't have money, I don't have power all I have is my heart. I find it harder and harder to mobilize ANYONE to do ANYTHING!! So many people feel helpless and even when approached won't do ANYTHING to help!

There's just TOO MUCH APATHY!!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:05 PM
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6. The apathy is a result of the DLC strategy
People become apathetic when they see no one representing their interests, or defending what they see as common sense and common decency.

By supporting and/or refusing to challenge the Corporate Elitist Orthodoxy, the DLC had a major role in dimming the Democratic Party as the perceived party of hope and action. Thus average people saw no one that they could truly identify with or get excited about.

That leads to a mentality of "What's the use? They're all the same."

The way to change that is to support anything that does offer hope and a true message that responds to the majority's interests and sense of fair play and decency.

If you haven't read the full article above, I suggest you do so, it does offer a general answer to your question.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:14 PM
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10. Well...
For one thing, you can gather a bunch of like minded folk and go to every primary or caucus in your state. Oppose any candidate that comes up who starts sounding like a DLC stooge, or one who you can trace support back to them. Gather a bunch of progressives you know to aid you in this endeavor. If you have friends that are Greens and your state has an open primary system, even encourage them to tag along and enlist their aid. This would be a two-fer as you would be moving the party back away from the corporatists and you would be encouraging Greens to think about working within the party.

(A tactic a million times more useful than some of the people on this site who seem to continually castigate the left and have "!@&# Nader" up as their icon)

Research. You need to do it, look in on the DLC, find out what their talking points are and oppose democrats that use them a lot.

If you have a DLC stooge as an incumbant, then support any primary challenge against them. The absolute worst case scenario is you might end up with a Lieberman, but at least you would force them to show their true colors. You might also make the candidate suddenly realize who they were running for and what they were running for and push the candidate back to being in the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. Or hell, there is a slim possibility you may even take the bastard down.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:31 PM
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14. I Live In Florida... DLC Stooge Is Bill Nelson & The One Running Against
him last time out was Katherine "Cruella" Harris! I could have voted for the "I" but didn't want to RISK ANOTHER fraudulent election with her involved. We won't be having a primary this year AND I will write in the candidate of my choice, even though some say it would give the POTUS to the Repukes!

Since I have been UNABLE to get enough like-minded people here to get together, I feel very very "out of the loop!" Any groups we have here are MOSTLY DLC!! I stay pretty depressed a lot of the time!!!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:52 PM
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17. You have my symnpathies
Being from Massachusetts, I'm represented by Kennedy and Kerry (a good senator despite his poor presidential bid) and a Congressman who is not flashy but is solidly progressive.

Of course we did provide a springboard for Mitt, but nothing's perfect.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:08 PM
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30. Thanks For The Sympathies & I'm Sincere About It... But You Know
these days "sympathy" is about all that's happening! I think you would have to live here to fully understand "my" dilemma because not only is it Florida, it's the COUNTY that Cruella represented and the COUNTY that kinda/sorta lost 18,000 plus votes!

I have tried joining several local organizations and mostly it's meetings! I stopped going because I felt like the white seed in a watermelon. A friend of mine, who is a Liberal that I met at one of the meetings has taken over the MoveON organization is so exasperated! He's a transplant from up north and tells me he can't believe how FEW people will actually get involved!

I even tried to join a local Meet-Up and can't find anyone to hold the meeting. I can't do it because my mother-in-law lives with us and has severe Alzheimer's, she's 95. Plus my house isn't all the large. I really don't want to bring people here because she's wears Depends all the time and my home has a certain smell. I'm constantly buying candles or anything to reduce it, but it's just a cover up for a while.

Sorry didn't mean to get so personal... but I WOULD hold meetings here... it's just a problem!
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:11 PM
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39. Ok
But at least try to get people fired by running a primary fight. Voting 'I' is obviously a waste, since the independent party doesn't stand for anything other then "hey, we aren't those guys." I could see voting Green, at least you got an ehtos or something. But really the real min is to be made trying to run another Democrat in the primary agaisnt this Nelson fellow. It really isn't too late to get someone to try.

And if you can't find somone to run against him in the primary, then run yourself. I promise to help you if you need it.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:10 PM
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7. ...
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:11 PM
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8.  a very accurate analysis, IMHO
the DLC are just as much enemies of the progressive movement as the neocons, they just smile more while they screw you.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:19 PM
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11. Thanks for posting. n/t
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:29 PM
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13. Great read
Until the Dems get rid of the dirty corporate money and demand their candidates not take any. We will always be sold out by them. Corporate money is nothing more than a bribe.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 12:47 PM
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16. we've come to the tipping point where it's either us or them (the industrialists) ...
we don't have the wherewithal to float their profits in healthcare, mortgages or energy costs. we're looking, and will hopefully find solutions that leave the DLC and the industrialists out in the cold where they belong.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:18 PM
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32. K&R. (nt)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:44 PM
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34. !




The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:55 AM
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37. bvar, thanks for posting this.
I haven't read the essay above, but I wonder how many DUers recognize the logical consequences of standing against DLC.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:10 PM
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35. Enthusiastic K&R
:thumbsup:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:31 PM
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36. I distinguish between moderates and the DLC
The DLC are Republicans. Moderates are not.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:13 PM
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38. This crazy Imperial Amerika has me and most left-centrists in a difficult spot
Because of the dynamic outlined in this article, I am constantly agitating for principles and candidates who are much further to the Left as I actually am.

I always said that we need a Left candidate to balance the mad success of the Right, especially because it is based on lies, misinformation, and disinformation.

But now I see the answer is more subtle than that, and the dynamic of a Democratic Party which no longer serves it's constituents is becoming clearer and more in focus.

One of the reasons for my desire for the candidates to the Left of me is that they are the only ones that articulate any values at all beyond their own power and privilege.

We made a deal with the Devil, in exchange for tons of cash and some electoral success we may have had anyway. Certainly this bloodless, soulless version of the Democratic Party, addicted to Corporate Money and serial-surrender, is about as believable as the German Social Democrats in 1933, when their "Congressional Representatives" stood up and proudly belted out the Nazi Anthem in the Reichstag. (see Haffner's "Defying Hitler").

What are we to do? The giant is tied down with a million strings. The only vehicle we have to fight BushPutinist Tyranny, the Democratic Party (with a couple dozen notable exceptions), is unable to fight anyone, except it's own progressive base, which it loathes.

Loathes.

Pelosi gave us a peek into what she and 70-90% of our Democratic Congressional representative think of us, even a guy like me who actually is probably closer in my actual views to the mythical Center but is forced to agitate for candidates far to my Left because they are the only ones with any values at all.

What does Pelosi think of us: That we are a bunch of vagrants who should be arrested. A bunch of worthless Nobodies who should shut the hell up except to fill the corporate coffers with our "votes" which are increasingly irrelevant and uncounted, anyway.

This is a great article, for it sheds more light on the nuts and bolts our situation, Gulliver tied down with a million strings.
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