My primary journey led to Edwards: the most trustworthy, passionate, and sincere

[Nutmegger]

I can't help feeling that this election is a clear crossroads, a fork in the road if you will, with the direction we take making all the difference in our collective future. The future does not lie in the hands of one man or woman, but rather in the hands of all of us ... now and after the election. Whoever takes office, it will be up to us to hold them accountable for their actions ... and to taking action of our own, independently and collectively, to ensure that our interests are being served and the issues close to our hearts (and heads) are being addressed.

Either we keep spiraling into the abyss of debt and deficit, dismal foreign policy, Constitutional erasure, widening class divides, undue and unchecked power among corporate interests, and less and less true representation of the American people in Washington ... OR we will elect a leader who will not solve all the world/s ills, but will definitely lead the way to a brighter chapter in our American experience and evolution as well as a more positive, responsible role in the world community.

We all know this. The question is: WHO?

During my primary journey I looked at the merits and issues of each candidate through direct and supplementary sources, virtual and personal contact, printed materials, media coverage, citizen media commentary, and candidate appearances (to me, the most valuable). The debates were no help because they didn't do much to reveal the candidates or their ideas. They were more like rapid fire game shows, tongue in cheek talk shows, and sometimes a combination between the WWF and Saturday Night Live.

Full article: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaryvoices/2007/12/my_primary_journey_led_to_edwa.html

[kurth]

1. Good summary

[rodeodance]

2. I think he is our best hope for the future-yet I hear that many think he is Robin Hood.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Based On What He *Does* - Not What He *Says*

Edwards sounds more like http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/dennis.html">Dennis Moore than Robin Hood:

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor.
And gives to the rich
Stupid bitch.

Look: Edwards was deeply involved in a hedge fund that focused on predatory lending. Seriously.

He didn't just vote for the Iraq war - he co-sponsored the hellish thing. (Incidentally, most Democrats in Congress voted against it.)

He voted for the bankruptcy bill written by credit card companies to fuck the middle class, and he voted for job-obliterating "free" trade with China.

[bobbolink]

34. You're going to feel silly about that propaganda piece when Edwards is in the Oval Office.

[MannyGoldstein]

42. Which Part Is Inaccurate?

Be specific.

[bobbolink]

45. That's easy... ALL OF IT.

Calling Edwards the opposite of Robin Hood is beyond ignorant.

[chimpymustgo]

30. He's a good man, perhaps a GREAT man. His time is NOW.

It is so heartening to see so much support for JRE.

[bobbolink]

35. I'm READY for Robin Hood!

bumpersticker-- The Meek Are Getting Ready

:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. Couldn't agree more.....n/t

[frazzled]

4. trustworthy?

That is the quality that led me away from Edwards. Not just the abrupt 180 on his previous record and staunch support of the Iraq War. But also the photo-ops for the poor while collecting money from the hedge fund he worked for and invested in, claiming not to know of their deep involvement in the sub-prime mess (either he is two-faced, or he is not a good manager--neither is a good sign). And now his campaign's prior communications with the 527 (yes, the email the New York TImes revealed yesterday that no one is talking about) and its half-million dollars from a corporate donation of dubious ethical standing (the company's head, Mrs. Mellon, is 97 years old; her lawyer made the donation to the 527 from her corporation's funds).

I don't understand how this inexperienced fellow with a brief, unstellar political career and a campaign strategy based on yesterday's polls gets so much trust invested in him. I honestly don't understand it. And neither do most of the people I know. But go figure, it's America. Talk is cheap, but then Wal-Mart is too.

[waiting for hope]

6. Off to the GP with thee -

Edwards is about the issues - the ones that matter.

K&R and a bunch of these: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :hi:

[Froward69]

7. trustworthy, passionate, and sincere... oh yea sure...

"But the story is slightly more complicated than that. After his birth, Edwards's parents did indeed bring him home to a mill village; in TV and print ads, the campaign has often used pictures of the tiny house where the family lived. But the ads don't mention that Edwards lived in the house from the time of his birth until he was . . . one year old. By then, his father had been promoted at the mill and the family moved to a much nicer home. That house does not appear in Edwards's commercials."
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzRmODBkZThkMzc2YjJjMDEzYzQ4ZDJlNGM1NDcxOGU=



hows that hedge fund???

[waiting for hope]

9. Why don't you post something

positive about your candidate? The Hedge fund issue was resolved here months ago, yet it seems to be your RW talking point du jour. You are not doing your candidate of choice any favors, and that picture is disgusting.

[Froward69]

14. See #10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWZm_puicBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ZyZCsRJyM&feature=user

[waiting for hope]

16. See #10 ???

doesn't address what I said nor the OP. The OP isn't about what just recently happened. You are thread jacking and it's not appreciated.

[Hieronymus]

19. Thanks, it's disgusting to see Democrats use the methods of the

soulless Republicans.

[asdjrocky]

23. You really need to check yourself buddy-

There is no call for that here.

[saracat]

25. Why don't you start another thread instead of threadjacking? I like Biden but I certainly don't

like your attitude.And I'll bet Joe Biden wouldn't like this either.He would be ashamed.

[Debi]

29. What did Joe Biden's father do for a living? n/t

[bobbolink]

36. I don't hear your candidate speaking to me.

The Meek Are Getting Ready.

[PakistaniDUer]

8. I don't know if he's trustworthy or sincere

This is after having met his wife and seen him speak, I still think a lot of his changing from edwards version 2004 is because of political reasons.

[Froward69]

10. Welcome PakistaniDUer

:hi: :pals: the other posters and I have differences in our choice for nominee. I am for Joe Biden whom John Edwards Parrots every chance he can. My guy Joe was warning about the dangers in Pakistan months ago. where as Edwards is just now catching on.
I feel I cannot sit idly by and watch good people get spoon fed gimcrack ideals that are of the spur of the moment type.

:cry: For Buhtto...

How are you this evening??? excuse me, it's morning there.

[waiting for hope]

12. Parrots?

Desperation doesn't suit you.

[Froward69]

17. OH i agree with what Edwards says

its just i agreed with Joe Biden weeks ago. just like John Edwards does now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOa989IRYw
watch what the second person says.

[waiting for hope]

18. This is not about the recent

situation in Pakistan - are you dense? or are you really trying to high jack this thread? If you are so passionate about you way off topic responses, go post your own OP - psst, did you know that you could? Since you have only been here since September and have managed to hit over 1000 posts (WOW, did you sit at your computer for hours on end to do that?) you can really post your own, original thoughts.

[Froward69]

20. I just have a problem with

"most trustworthy, passionate, and sincere" in regards to Edwards. I am just pointing out why. same topic... you did not watch the video.. its only a minute and a half???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOa989IRYw


Joe Biden is all of those. Edwards would make a great A.G.

[waiting for hope]

21. Then express your thoughts to

Donna Richards ( http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaryvoices/2007/12/my_primary_journey_led_to_edwa.html ) and I really don't believe you. I think you intentionally responded in the manner you did.

[waiting for hope]

22. Just read your edit -

Sorry Charlie, Biden doesn't have much of a chance and I think you know that. I like Biden, he'd make an excellent Sec. of State.

[bobbolink]

37. Good thing you labeled it as YOUR problem.

Cuz it ain't Edwards problem, and it ain't OURS.

Your nastiness isn't swaying anyone here.

Might as well hang it up.

We'll watch for your POSITIVE thread.

And I seriously doubt any of us will hijack it.

[Froward69]

24. I get it... you are

"living large on the Coast of North Carolina" Like John Edwards????? so you are on of those "little guys" Edwards claims to want to help. living on the coast and all.

[waiting for hope]

32. I'm living my dream of being on

the coast - there you go again, making assumptions, thus making an ass of yourself. I live in single family home, my husband and I work over 40 hours a week to provide for our two kids. And yes, the vision John Edwards has laid out is the one I want for my children, the chance to go to college, to ability to have secure jobs, Health Care, the promise of living in a cleaner environment and having the chance to live the American Dream through hard work. What does Biden offer? Where is his green job intuitive? Where is his Health Care plan? If my husband lost his job during a "Biden Presidency" - could we get Health Care? I feel confident I could under an Edwards Presidency. This is Democratic Underground, a place for progressives and democrats, I kinda wonder where you would fall ... perhaps a bit of to the right.

[Froward69]

33. well yes to all of those questions

check out Joe Biden. he 1) says it far better than I can. and 2) You may agree he is far suited to change the system from within than Edwards could from outside in, with as little experience he has.

http://campaignsandelections.com/sc/releases/index.cfm?ID=6802 energy policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlS8xGDYcJM&feature=related Sen. Biden on energy security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-TSTkqG8MY&NR=1 Sen. Joe Biden on Global Warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS6V5BYHzY&feature=related Joe Biden talks Energy Independence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftZBGDYjSvE more bipartisan elect ability
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6VblcwpOU4 Biden being green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDfqqKurwv8 election reform
http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org guaranteed health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ZsXEbgq0U DNC address
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--LCh8ryOc Biden at the IA JJ diner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txD9H1scivw CNN Wolf Blitzer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7yhHWuTC4 firefighters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhR4PyJIvoo WQAD= Health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8HC_IBhcc&mode=related&search health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzu6-FJ6afs Biden on price gouging and alternative fuels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScwx381nIM Joe on WHO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLe96WdWBbg&watch_response hybrid cars

pick a topic. all i ask is for you to be Diligent in whom you support. For our Country.

[waiting for hope]

39. Does it compare to this?

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/plan-to-build-one-america.pdf Pick a topic - make sure you have some time, it's 80 pages long.

I really don't care to listen to sound bytes - there are a zillion with Edwards in the political videos section that cover the same topics. Your first link doesn't point to anything and as for some of the others, I found Edwards to be more passionate and believable - at the JJ Dinner and the DNC Address. I don't agree that Biden is more suited for change and there are many here that agree with me on that. He is part of the broken, corrupt system that we have now and I want a President that represents my views and that's Edwards. I have supported Edwards since 2003 - his Two America's speech was the first time I have heard any politician talk about what really ails this country and Edwards is offering real solutions.

[Froward69]

40. well my number one issue

Edwards fails at. from that link:
"Outline of the Edwards Plan
Require by law that every American have
comprehensive health coverage, including mental
health coverage.
Require businesses to either cover their employees
or help pay their premiums.
Make insurance affordable by creating new tax
credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming
insurance laws and taking innovative steps to
contain health care costs.
Create new Health Care Markets to give families
and businesses purchasing power and a choice of
quality plans, including one public plan.
Families without insurance will get coverage at an
affordable price."

sorry that is mandatory health insurance. I cannot support that.

Public health or commonly called "universal Health care" is what I and Joe Biden see as the only option for America. http://www.joebiden.com/issues?id=0003

[waiting for hope]

41. Then support Biden - Good Gawd -

He needs it. I have had enough of you, I should have stopped after the disgusting picture you posted (BTW, you do know Biden's father was a car salesman?) - Welcome to my Ignore List.

[Beausoir]

11. I like him. I would vote for him. I DID vote for him.

[smokey nj]

13. Kick!

[smalll]

15. Edwards. Trustworthy and Sincere. PM me.

I have a certain river-spanning masonry pile you might like to buy. Over a hundred years old. Full access for motorists, cyclists and pedestrians from Manhattan over to Brooklyn and back again. And Brooklyn is SO hot these days!

Willing to negotiate, reasonable pricing, generous payment plans available.

PM me. No joke!

[saracat]

26. John Edwards is the Peoples Candidate! And we need him deperately! Go John.

[yellowdogintexas]

31. yes. thank you. nt

[Kurovski]

27. K&R. (nt)

[mwb970]

28. I agree! /nt

[Nutmegger]

38. Evening KICK

:kick:

[Catchawave]

43. K&R and a shout out to rodeodance

for posting this in the JE forum :toast:

[Stop Cornyn]

44. nice thoughts